Talk:Leslie Howe

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In recent weeks, a user has repeatedly tried to overwrite the current article with the following unsourced, uncategorized and non-neutral version of a public relations profile. Some of this content may potentially be valid for integration into the article, but that needs to be done in a manner that's consistent with our content rules. Any assistance in expanding the article properly would certainly be appreciated, but the following version is not appropriate for inclusion in Wikipedia in the form presented. Bearcat (talk) 21:19, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Note: The aforementioned user asserts that they are the subject of this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:A2:68DD:BA00:ED88:F2C7:F125:13DD (talk) 21:16, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

I have re-edited the article, and removed anything that seemed promotional or non-biographical. This is ancient history and it is not practical to find sourcing for everything. This was my career, I have recited the information as accurately as possible. I am replacing a page about myself which was written by some random person ten years ago. I actually got some of it from discographies etc from other sites. If there is something specific that is objected to, let me know, otherwise, please leave this latest edit as is. Thank you. Rtyrewx (talk) 12:26, 9 May 2014 (UTC) RTYREWX may 2 2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rtyrewx (talk • contribs) 12:54, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Text as rewritten
Leslie Howe is a Canadian, from Ottawa Canada. His early career as a musician, songwriter and record producer started in the 1980’s with the pop duo One to One. As one of the halves of the synth pop duo with singer/songwriter Louise Reny, Leslie produced, engineered, co-wrote and played all the instruments on their first album “Forward Your Emotions”. The group was signed by Warner Bros. for the USA and Canada, and by Bonaire/Arista records in the rest of the world, and took the Canadian charts by storm. They had three successful singles - "There Was A Time", "Angel In My Pocket" and "Black On White" before returning back to the studio to work on the album's follow-up. The act scored three Juno Award nominations in 1986 for 'Most Promising Group of the Year', 'Producer of the Year (Leslie Howe)', and 'Recording Engineer of the Year' (Leslie Howe).

The next album, entitled '1-2-1', repeated their initial success with the more guitar driven songs like the chart successful "Hold Me Now" and "Do You Believe".

With their two album deal finished, One 2 One scored a major USA and Canadian record deal with A & M Records with 1992's 'Imagine It', along with the follow-up single, "Memory Lane". Leslie discovered Alanis Morissette in Ottawa around that time, and produced, engineered and co-wrote two very successful gold records with her in Canada.

By the mid-90's Reny and Howe formed a harder edges alternative rock band called Sal's Birdland who released the CD 'Naked Photos Inside' on Howe's own Ghetto Records. The band garnered some national interest on college radio which led to a second disc in 1995 with MCA/Cargo Records called 'So Very Happy' but had very minimal success.

In 1997 Sal's Birdland changed their name to Artificial Joy Club and joined with several Ottawa musicians to create the album “Melt”. The group was pursued by most of the major USA record labels, and they ended up scoring a huge record deal with Jimmy Iovine's Interscope Records label. The song "Sick And Beautiful" went to #1 in Canada (RPM Magazine) and top 20 in the USA. The band toured extensively in the USA, Canada and Europe, including the 1997 Lollapalooza tour. The follow-up single “Spaceman” also garnered a lot of airplay.

Singles: As ONE TO ONE 1985 There Was A Time/Where's The Answer (Bonaire/WEA) 1985 Angel In My Pocket/Where's The Answer (Bonaire/WEA) 1986 Black On White/Tell Me Straight (Bonaire/WEA) 1987 Hold Me Now (Bonaire/WEA) 1988 Do You Believe/Inside These Eyes (Bonaire/WEA) 1989 Love Child (Bonaire/WEA) 1989 We've Got The Power (Bonaire/WEA) 1992 Peace Of Mind (Love Goes On) (A & M) 1992 Memory Lane (A & M) 1992 Friends (A & M)

As ARTIFICIAL JOY CLUB 1997 Sick And Beautiful (Interscope) 1997 Spaceman (Interscope)

Albums: as ONE TO ONE 1985 Forward Your Emotions (Bonaire/WEA) 1988 1-2-1 (Bonaire/WEA) 1992 Imagine It (A & M)

as SALS'S BIRDLAND 1994 Naked Photos Inside (Ghetto) 1995 So Very Happy (MCA)

As ARTIFICIAL JOY CLUB 1997 Melt (Interscope)

Videos: 1985 There Was A Time 1985 Angel In My Pocket 1987 Hold Me Now 1988 Do You Believe 1988 Love Child 1992 Peace Of Mind 1997 Sick and Beautiful 1997 Spaceman

Since his music career, Leslie Howe has pioneered and patented many innovative, high performance, energy saving lenses and reflectors for commercial and residential lighting. With the unique application of micro optical film technology, he has developed ground breaking product lines of LED & fluorescent light fixture lenses and reflectors which include Retrofit and OEM downlight reflector trims such as www.bulbmate.com, frameless flat and curved lenses for linear recessed fixtures, optical film mounting systems, and high performance reflection surfaces.

Discussions on edits (and possible copyvio)
Upon a good faith Google search, I found that some of the text copied other sources. However, upon further investigation, it appears to redirect back to this Wikipedia article. Also,, you must take caution as to understand to not remove categories. Tutelary (talk) 00:02, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

I agree with Bearcat that as written the text is too overtly promotional to be an encyclopedia article. Part of the issue, additionally, is that much of the content is already covered at the other articles, One to One (band) and Artificial Joy Club. I've tried searching for sources. What I'm finding are newspaper and magazine articles that would better be suited as sources for the two band articles rather than this one. There is little biographical material I can find about Howe himself. That said, he is a very successful producer and musician, and I would imagine that a newspaper database that has better coverage of the 1980s would potentially have more about him specifically. Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 00:36, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

I have re-edited the article, and removed anything that seemed promotional or non-biographical. This is ancient history and it is not practical to find sourcing for everything. This was my career, I have recited the information as accurately as possible. I am replacing a page about myself which was written by some random person ten years ago. I actually got some of it from discographies etc from other sites. If there is something specific that is objected to, let me know, otherwise, please leave this latest edit as is. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rtyrewx (talk • contribs) 12:51, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia's core rule is that all of our content has to be verifiable in reliable sources. Whether it's "practical" or not to find sourcing for everything, it's a requirement — and as inconvenient as this may seem, it's actually for your protection. The reality is that not everybody who edits Wikipedia is actually being responsible and fair to our article subjects; certain people do like to cause problems by inserting inaccurate or libellous information, or biased commentary about what a bad person the article subject is, into our articles, and if the article doesn't cite any sources then we'd have no way of being able to sort out what's true and what isn't. So we need sources so that we can ensure that the article is accurate — even if something is true, it still can't be in our article if it can't be sourced.
 * As well, our articles need to use an encyclopedic writing tone (which your version isn't following); they need to link to other relevant articles (you keep adding a completely unwikified version which fails to do so); and they need to be categorized (you keep removing all the categories.) Just as an example, the article doesn't need to thoroughly rehash every last detail about each individual band you've been in; the bands already have their own separate articles to cover that, and yours can just link to them for people who want that information without needing to repeat all of the same information here.
 * As I've pointed out to you several times already, we'd be happy to expand the article with updated information. But you need to understand what our rules are for how to get that done. All of these rules do exist for a reason, and that reason is not just to make your life difficult. We'd be happy to update the article, but the updates have to be compliant with our rules about formatting and sourcing and writing tone. Bearcat (talk) 19:17, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, Bearcat], why is an interview on TV with a person sufficient "sourcing" but a person is not allowed to self-source their own wikipedia article? Isn't the above conversation citable? You realize that you are censoring [[User:Rtyrewx|Rtyrewx from providing the most reliable information about events from Rtyrewx's own life? Is there some belief that TV cameras bring out truth that people can't provide themselves? How about you all prove Rtyrewx is lying? The article as published sucks, there is more accurate information here. I'd be glad to return and read this later -Vic from Arizona, a defender of knowledge and free information exchange
 * All content in Wikipedia articles must always be referenced to media coverage. This is not optional; it is a mandatory core requirement that all articles must always follow. People are not objective or neutral sources for information about themselves, because people self-promote and self-aggrandize and advertorialize, and just generally write about themselves like they're writing their résumé instead of a properly written encyclopedia article. We don't give a damn if you don't like it; Wikipedia's rules require all information to be written neutrally and referenced to reliable sources, and our articles are never allowed to be written like marketing bumf from our article subjects' own public relations agents. We require published reliable sources so that we can properly verify that the information is actually correct, and we require the article to be written neutrally and not advertorially, and we have conflict of interest rules that say people are not allowed to write their own article themselves. Bearcat (talk) 21:57, 19 June 2019 (UTC)