Talk:Less Than Jake

Something
I'm removing the UK chart information for the singles without a source. I'd rather have nothing at all than something unverifiable. If anyone can find a legit record of their charting info in UK for albums or singles, they can put them back up. The Rabbit42 05:50, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Do we really the "work history" in trivia? this seems a little too random (or should i say to trivia-l?)


 * I've since incorporated this into Roger's personal info. ✅

I dont know if anyone will want to add this but Chris said, in late 2005 that this album would be the last, as they are breaking up.


 * What are you talking about??? It does'nt look like they would.Chriscool334 17:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * They still have one more record left on their contract to do, after that..dunno.


 * In Vinnie's blog, he talked about how he is starting to think about lyrics, and how Chris has shown him some new songs he's working on. This would imply they're working on a new album. Whether it will be their last, nobody can say for certain, but we probably shouldn't assume they're going to break up or disband anytime soon. - The Rabbit42 18:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm removing the link on Monkey Vs. Robot; it appears to be pointing to a different "Monkey Vs. Robot" - a musician in Vermont. If anyone has any info on it, suggest created a new article Monkey Vs. Robot (toy company) with it? - user:taskforce

To answer the kid below: Well Dude They have a sax and several other horn players so what are you trying to prove?


 * I think he's talking about how the article says (or use too, I'm not sure that it still does) that they are unique for having those instruments, which isn't true at all as they are a ska band. Although to the guy below, no, ska doesn't nessisarilly need horns. It just generally does have them.

Sorry, maybe I'm being slightly dumb here but I thought the wole point of being a Ska band was that someone played a sax and/or similar instruments - that's what sets it apart from other music, no? Selphie 12:05, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC) **


 * Completely wrong. This is WIKIPEDIA.  Go look at the ska article and see how wrong you are.


 * to above person: chill. to above-er person, yeah he's right though. horns are not necessary at all. ska is about off rhythms and lots of other stuff, see ska Philmcl 15:41, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Wasn't there a song (Ghost of You and Me) feat. in a NHL game?


 * It seems that LTJ songs can be found in many different soundtracks. Due to this, I'm going to combine all of the contributions into a paragraph. Wanderer 21:06, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

Howie J. Reynolds
No mention of Howie J. Reynolds?? He was an iconic part/act/guy in the early days of the band. I went to shows and loved to hear him 'tell his stories' (i.e. rant?). I ran into him after one of the early albums came out, and he was pretty unhappy that he didn't get anything from being recorded...(must have been Loosing Streak). It might be nice to have a little section about him, since he is part of LTJ's history... OJGanesh 19:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Improving This Article
Alright, here's a few things that can be added to make this a better article - I'll be working on some of it, but I am going to need some help.


 * A picture of the band. Nice to know we know their names, but a visual would really help. ✅
 * More information about tours, contributions within the ska punk community (Ska Against Racism, anybody?), and chart positions.
 * Articles for the albums (and do we know if the album Hello Rockview is a story album or concept album of some kind? The comic book layout of the lyric leaflet makes it seem that way).
 * More citations.

LTJ is a really cool band - I think they deserve a decent Wikipedia article. :) Wanderer 21:23, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

matt churchley: hello rockview is a story album theve toured over the years with bands like: ALL, DECENDANTS, TEEN IDOLS, ALLISTER, FRENZAL RHOMB, THE AKAS, CAPDOWN, BOUNCING SOULS, GOLDFINGER, REEL BIG FISH, mest and many others. its chris semakes not demakes sorry,lol. rodger has a side project called rehasher, the vynils that make up losers, kings and things we dont understand are: pez kings, making fun of things we dont understand, smoke spot and unglued. the song help save the youth of america from exploding was featured in the film drive me crazy, theres just a few things seens as they are my most favourite band of all time.

um actually it IS demakes so stop your lol's and anyway, i don't really think they would want their last names. oh well i'm going to make a section on past members--Haberdasher 07:37, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Needs an updated picture of the band --Z2000 00:32, 19 November 2005 (UTC) ✅

I put all of the discography into tables to make it neater (though you did not request it), I added a stub article for "Live From Uranus", but we need a UK chart position for the "Rest of my Life" single and for "The Science of Selling Yourself Short" single. And some US chart positions would be nice, too guys ;) --Snbritishfreak 14:41, August 22 2006 (GMT)

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I removed the "fact" that the guys have "every Pez dispenser ever made". This is incorrect. There are several dispensers that have only one known example -- I am acquainted with some of those owners, and so I am certain that none of the LTJ members own them. PxT 20:41, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Band's name
Is this story credible? Aside from anything else, it would be a huge coincidence, given the reasonably common phrase "everything's Jake", meaning "everything's fine". --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 08:42, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is true. On a side note, I have never encountered "Everything's Jake" before! Rlove 13:02, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Try Googling &mdash; you'll find about 1,700-1,800 uses of that precise phrase, including the film Everything's Jake, of which I don't think I'd heard before); there are probably variants. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:06, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Check out their official website. The dog was 80 pounds, thus everything in the house was "less than jake." Story here = wrong!

Story here is not wrong. Both stories are correct. Vinnie was well aware of the phrase "everything's jake" and has associated it as mobster lingo. I suspect the story of the name is already complicated enough that this extra bit doesn't get retold as often. Cariaso 01:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Ska Punk - Accurate?
A quick look at the band's myspace shows they don't even consider themselves this anymore. Also, their new album is devoid of upchords and horn lines. I propose chaning the genre to the side and saying something akin to the No Doubt and Smash Mouth pages (originally third-wave ska but etc etc.) --Mathew Allen

They are clearly still a ska/punk band. Even though there is less of it, there are obvious ska songs on even their newest album. P.S. Shock the World is clearly a 3rd wave ska song. I think is wrong to just call them a punk band. LessThanClippers 17:37, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Copy-Edit
I saw this was marked for copy-editing, so I jumped on that. Does anyone think I made any mistakes? I would also suggest that the "miscellaneous info" section is a bit bloated in my opinion, but I didn't want to offend anyone by removing stuff. Philmcl 15:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Touring with Reel Big Fish?
Does anyone have any official sources (besides AbsolutePunk.net) confirming that LTJ are touring with Reel Big Fish? Check fueledbyramen.com they are currently saying they're touring with Reel Big Fish and Streetlight Manifesto. there in buffalo ny the 7th o0f July and Quebec city Quebec on the 8th I believe. Wish I could go, but no one else could make it this year. :( 70.49.252.14 22:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

By the way, wouldn't that tour be over by now? Someone should probably take it off.

Discography/Spoken Idiocy
Does anyone else believe Spoken Idiocy belongs in the discography section under other? They released it in 2002 sold at shows only. It is recordings of the Asian portion of their 2001 A Space Idiocy tour, but only what they say to eachother between songs, no actual music, hence the title. LessThanClippers 17:40, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

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Picture Caption
The caption only has 5 names, but there are 6 people in the picture. I think either the caption should be modified to include the shirtless guy on the far left or he should be cropped out. Tdogg241 22:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

The picture caption still has five names, and I'm pretty sure the order is wrong. It says "From left to right: JR, Roger, Vinnie, Buddy, Chris." I'm pretty sure the third guy with the dreds is Roger. But i'm not so up on the names, so somebody else might want to fix this. Harksaw (talk) 17:01, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Early website
The earliest Less Than Jake website was hosted at http://www.afn.org/~ltj and put together by Adam Marcus. By approx jan 1996 I was primary web maintainer, during that time I had a mirror site. While the afn site seems to be long gone, anyone deeply interested in this article, may find additional material at http://www.waste.org/~ltj and especially in the Less Than Jake newsletter archive. The wayback machine seems to have copies so here is the earliest one from Aug 1 1995 Cariaso 01:52, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20000424214902/http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~cariaso/archive/8-1-95.html

Gay Rights/Parades
I unfortunately don't really know where to begin with this one. I have zero knowledge of them ever playing a gay pride festival (you don't play the parade itself.) I am a long time fan and complete nerd when it comes to LTJ, and I am gay, and I can tell you, I pretty much look at every event they are playing (trying to go to it) and I would have freaked if they played a gay pride. Maybe they played some in early days many years ago? I do know that Vinny's father is gay, but beyond that, the band really has never spoken much on many political ideologies at all. I just dont think, even if it is verifiable, that it adds to the article, or is pertinent to really get who LTJ is. If their lyrics were often pro gay rights, then addidng in their stance on it would be important. But if we start listing every bands different political ideals, its gonna get ugly.LessThanClippers 15:20, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Considering we have no actual source(s) to indicate either their personal ideals or that they've ever played any such festival, I'm going to remove this claim from the article. The Rabbit42 22:48, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Full discography (7" releases etc)
i was wondering if any else thought it was appropriate to try and construct a full less than jake discorgraphy, i guess as a seperate page. they have a nearly complete list on their site http://www.lessthanjake.com/discography/ although i know it's missing quite a few of the recent things, as well as one or two of the older ones, but it's a good starting point. one problem may come from trying to date some of them. but there a re a great number of records, tapes and cds from their past, as well as loads of variations of each, it might be helpful to add them in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulellinson (talk • contribs) 17:00, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

It might be a clever idea. As a band, they do have far more assorted releases than just full length albums. But it will certainly be difficult to gather sufficient information on a lot of them. I'd say go for it as a separate page, probably Less_Than_Jake_discography. -- The Rabbit42 (talk) 19:32, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I certainly support the idea and would love to help. LTJ clearly has a history of soem very interesting special pieces, like the Rock N Roll Pizzaria box, the anniversary birthday cake, the cheese, crash course in being an asshole, etc. Maybe a new page is in order.LessThanClippers (talk) 18:53, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Members
OK, so I always looked at this page and kept thinking to myself, I have no idea who some of these listed former members are, and I've been a fan since freaking pezcore. Chris Campisi was their old roadie, he was in a previous band with Vinny and Chris, but he never was in LTJ. and Shauna nd Matt i have never heard of. ALso they are all unsourced, so I expect to remove.LessThanClippers (talk) 23:45, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I've never heard of Matt, either, so I'd stand behind you for removing him from the list for lack of a source. I can say with certainty that Shaun was LTJ's first bassist and then roadie, but I've never heard of Chris Campisi. Is it possible you've confused the two? -- The Rabbit42 (talk) 06:14, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You are right, I did confuse the two. I still dont think Shaun ever played in LTJ.  I thought he was the roadie, and played in the precursor band.LessThanClippers (talk) 08:23, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Could anyone make pages for Derron Nuhfer and Pete Anna (I don't personally know enough about them to, otherwise I would)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.97.144.72 (talk) 21:14, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

The only info I really have on pete is that he was the original designer of a lot of the LTJ merch, includng the original EVO KID. Derron was a pretty private guy, so i don't know what is out there about him. I don't find that any of them besides Vinnie, Chris, and Roger notable enough to warrant their own page.LessThanClippers (talk) 22:03, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... well someone could always make a stub page and see if anything gets added (that's what I did with JR. I just started out with him being in Spring Heeled Jack USA and LTJ, and a few people added quite a bit to it). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.97.159.104 (talk) 00:38, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe it is Shaun Grief playing bass on the 4 track recording of "good time for change" along with Chris and Vinnie. That was eventually released under the name Less Than Jake. Campisi played bass before Roger. Pete who did the merch was Pete W, a fan who sent the images 'more than jake', 'jake', 'less than jake' in a letter. That became the 'evolution kid' merch design. Pete Anna was a trombone player after Derron, before and concurrent with JR. Cariaso (talk) 05:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I dont know any of you guys, and this is my first inclusion to anything in Wikipedia. LTJ would never let Campisi be their roadie after the dick move he pulled. The guys had some friction w/Chris (Campisi) about the direction and type of music they wanted to play. Campisi (if I recall it right) thought Vinny & Chris were too soft, too cheesy, and were overall pussies. Campisi was a fun & funny guy and he could play bass like a madman, but did some pretty dickish things. The final straw was when he got drunk & pissed in Vinny's bass drum.

Chris Campisi eventually joined up w/Clay Smith (gtr/vocals for PasteEater & theMarlon), Dave Frank - (founder of Lumilar records, Smith's bandmate in theMarlon, and formerly of the well respected & hugely popular band Wordsworth), and Bill Clower (from every other damn band in town at the time! e.g. Radon, Wordsworth, etc) and formed Highway 66. Supergroup? lol! They put out a split 7" w/Radon in March of '94.

Since this is my first entry and all, I dont have any sign-in name or whatever. My name is Ken, and I was in a band called PasteEater that played w/LTJ in G'ville when they started, through late summer of '93. Thats when I left town for NYC. I was good friends with Chris' older brother Todd, and I opened up my home in NY for touring G'ville bands to crash @ when they came by on their tour.

Anyway, I am certain that Vinny & Chris as well as Rog are quite satisfied with Campisi's name being erased from their history. The less people know about him, the better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.175.102.175 (talk) 06:26, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Influences
The recent suggestion that Less Than Jake could be genre classified as metal made me realize that this page should really have a section for the band's influences. The band as a whole, and individual members: their taking influence from bands like Snuff, and perhaps the Mighty Mighty Bosstones. The genres they grew up listening and playing and how those genres seep into the music, including metal points such as the tapping solo to Help Save the Youth of America, All My Best Friends Are Metalheads, The lead guitar of Gainesville Rock City, etc. The piece in the trivia about individual members fondness of metal could easily be worked into this. I'm sure someone can probably come up with a pretty good start to add on to about this facet of the band. -- The Rabbit42 (talk) 04:53, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd certainly jump in on this, but I would still never classify them as metal.LessThanClippers (talk) 22:14, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

speaking of unknown members, who's kevin fry? he isn't on any of their albums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.19.129 (talk) 07:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Updating the Page
Okay, so I saw that under 'recent activity' it still says that LTJ are going to be touring with RBF in December, and I just thought that maybe that tour would be over already, so someone should probably update the section (I don't know enough to do it myself). Barneyandfriendz (talk) 23:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC) ✅

Band Members' Ages
Okay, so besides Chris, does anyone know the ages and/or birthdays of any of the other band members? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.97.159.104 (talk) 00:40, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Trivia

 * Band member haunts have included Eddie C's (now The Backstage Lounge), the Hardback (which was transformed into the Lyric), and Insomnia (which used to be the Covered Dish, and is now the new location of Common Grounds).


 * They are largely responsible for, though unaffiliated with, the Florida Ska Revival Movement in their home state of Florida, which is a movement started by a group of Florida bands to bring ska music back into the mainstream.


 * Many of the band members are known to enjoy heavy metal music (hence the song All My Best Friends Are Metalheads). Roger and JR both list the legendary British heavy metal band Iron Maiden as a favorite, and Chris has frequently been sighted wearing '80s metal band t-shirts such as Poison, Mötley Crüe, Cinderella, and Black Sabbath.


 * The band recently posted a song on their MySpace, which is a medley of the songs Automatic, Throw The Brick, She's Gonna Break Soon, Dopeman, Bad Scene and a Basement Show, and Anchor, although it is not available for play anymore.
 * Most of these are either uncited, trivial or subjective. IMHO, it doesn't belong in the article.  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 22:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed, very pointless and random. -Inzweep (talk) 06:48, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Less Than Jake Wiki
I'm not sure if this would be the place to put something like this but I've started up a LTJ Wiki and am looking for editors to help with stuff. DX927 (talk) 20:29, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

help with LTJ 7" records, please
A user has added the following records to the wiki: Birthday Cake 7", Cheese 7", Crash Course in Being an Asshole 7", G-Man Training Target 7", Rock-N-Roll Pizzaria 7", and Muppets 7". The user has identified the album type as "Vinyl and 7", which the Infobox Album template will not accept. Can someone who knows about this subject please either change the Type to EP, or change the infobox template to Infobox Single? Otherwise, they will clutter Category:Album_articles_with_non-standard_infoboxes until someone fixes them. Thanks!--Mike Selinker (talk) 00:24, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * User talk:Mike Selinker, I converted the 2:30 single to Cheese (song), but they may be better deleted. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:59, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Charity Work
Any chance anyone can do a bit more research on the charity work mentioned at the start of this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X674AHq840 Nerter (talk) 14:08, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

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Page Redirection
I just completed making changes to the Chris DeMakes page and for reasons that I cannot understand, the page is being redirected to Less Than Jake. DeMakes is the lead singer of Less Than Jake and is an accomplished artist who should maintain his own page. Moreover, Chris DeMakes is the founding member of the band.

The page was initially set up as Chris Demakes, his proper name appears in the text that I have written and should read Chris DeMakes. The capital M should be changed in the page name. However, I don't have the credentials to do so. I am requesting this change.

Please advise as to what edits or content is missing that is causing the page to revert back to a redirected page to Less Than Jake.

Thank you,

Rick MunroeRickmunroe01 (talk) 01:34, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The subject of this thread is currently up for deletion. Jalen Folf   (talk)  05:29, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Goodbye Blue and White
Why isn't this album mentioned? 2601:248:8280:E3E0:49FB:2671:EA2F:C42C (talk) 13:37, 2 April 2022 (UTC)