Talk:Let's Dance (David Bowie album)

Did Nile Rodgers co-write the song Let's Dance?
The article gives Rodgers a co-writing credit for the album's title track. I can find no other sources that support this and my own copies of the album and single show Bowie as sole author. This article also contradicts the article for the song itself. Please can a source be cited to support this claim or else can the article be corrected? Thanks. Note: I have removed the writing credit for now; if the credit can be supported then feel free to put it back in! 194.168.186.198 (talk) 09:03, 26 August 2015 (UTC) Zacabi contribs) 14:40, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Release Date
Article lists an uncited April release date. But--once again--a check of contemporaneous sources shows that the album was already on the U.S. charts for the week *ending* March 26, 1983. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alainsane (talk • contribs) 00:23, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

GOCE copyedit request
Hey, some questions like before:


 * Quote box in §Recording: — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:26, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmmm I never actually knew about that. I've been using that template on quite a few articles now. – zmbro (talk) 22:12, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. GA or FA reviewers may have an issue with it, but that's beyond me. This is probably the first or second article I've seen that uses it. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:55, 18 April 2021 (UTC)


 * [...] he failed to hire them initially due to the two's past drug use [...] Bowie wanted to hire them but couldn't or refused to hire them because of their drug use? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:26, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * According to Pegg, this info came from a quote from Rodgers' memoir: "They'd become less punctual during the last few Chic records. Tony and Nard were so unreliable from drugging, and I was afraid they'd be late for a recording session where David was watching every penny like a hawk." Based on this, Rodgers was the one who wanted to hire them but was wary to due their past drug use. – zmbro (talk) 22:12, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. Whoops, I glossed over Rodger being the subject. I've changed the wording a bit but it should be clear that while Rodgers didn't want to hire them at first, he did so in the end. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:55, 18 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Due to their arrival time, Thompson and Edwards' contributions were limiting, appearing on only three tracks and one track, "Without You", respectively. I suggest removing the mention of "Without You" here as it's already being talked about in the next sentence. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:26, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Valid point. Removed. – zmbro (talk) 22:12, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * . — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:55, 18 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Bowie however felt Vaughan was different, telling him "he's got a whole other thing going on." Double checking, the quoted material is a full sentence? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:26, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Just checked and yes it was. Added a comma to specify. – zmbro (talk) 22:27, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * . — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:55, 18 April 2021 (UTC)


 * The opening track, "Modern Love", is an uptempo pop song featuring a call-and-response structure, which was inspired by Little Richard [...] Links and references removed. Did Little Richard inspire the song, or just the call-and-response structure? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:26, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Per O'Leary just the call-and-response structure. – zmbro (talk) 22:27, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. Simplified it a little. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:55, 18 April 2021 (UTC)


 * [...] his dismissal was attributed to his alcohol and drug use, his request that his band Double Trouble be the supporting act being denied by Bowie, and Vaughan was supposedly "furious" that Bowie mimed to his guitar solo in the "Let's Dance" music video. Already edited. I'm planning to edit the last point so that it fits the same as the first two. Did Vaughn ever make it public that he hated Bowie miming his guitar solo? I think it'd be better if there was something concrete that is attributed to his dismissal rather than being supposedly "furious". — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:26, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * According to Pegg, Vaughan told Double Trouble's bassist that he was "furious" over the music video thing but none of Bowie's biographers seem to specify whether or not Vaughan went public with the info. I also don't own any of Vaughan's biographies so I can't verify if he actually did. There was apparently lots of things that went down. Buckley and Pegg discuss Vaughan's drug use, payment disputes, and the "Let's Dance" video as being reasons for Vaughan's firing. Bowie and his entourage have appear to tell different stories compared to Vaughan so I've tried to interpret what they have said the best I can. – zmbro (talk) 22:27, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. It could be worth mentioning that there are conflicting accounts, but that's more of a GAC/FAC thing. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:55, 18 April 2021 (UTC)


 * [...] which documented two shows performed on 11 and 12 September 1983 in Vancouver. Only mentioned once, but I think this is supposed to be Vancouver, Canada? Wikilink might be preferred. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:26, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Pegg doesn't specify but I assumed Canada yes (The Serious Moonlight Tour page says Canada so that helps). – zmbro (talk) 22:27, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. Wikilinked. The Canadian city is definitely more popular than its American counterpart, but you never know. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:55, 18 April 2021 (UTC)


 * One reviewer called it "Bowie at his best". — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:26, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. Believe it was written that way before I started expanding initially. – zmbro (talk) 22:27, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * . — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:55, 18 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Closer to December, Visconti called [Bowie's personal assistant] Coco, who said: Editorial marks in original. They're outside of any quoted material here; was it added by accident? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:26, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Please forgive me but what do you mean by editorial marks exactly? :\ – zmbro (talk) 22:12, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm referring to the square brackets around Bowie's personal assistant]. Normally they'd go in quotes when quoted material is changed (usually for tense reasons) or additional text is added into the quote that wasn't there (usually for clarification). The reason why I'm asking is because they've been placed outside of quotation marks, so you could just do Visconti called Bowie's personal assistant, Coco, who said [...] without the square brackets. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:55, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Ohhh I see what you mean now. Fixed! – zmbro (talk) 01:07, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * . — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:01, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Looking forward to your answers. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:26, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ce! Replies are above. :-) – zmbro (talk) 22:27, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Alright, everything looks good, and I've replied to the last remaining question. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:55, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks again! – zmbro (talk) 01:08, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * If there's nothing else, I'll consider the request complete. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:07, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Recording date confirmation
Hey might you have any magazines or other sources from the time period laying around that could possibly confirm when this album was actually recorded? I know it's either December 82 or January 83 and in my quest for expanding the title track page, the info O'Leary cites basically counters this page. If you might have anything that could give more insight I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks! – zmbro (talk) (cont) 21:53, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * let me see what I have. Might take a few days, but I have plenty of old articles and magazines, maybe something can shed some light on that! 87Fan (talk) 21:31, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help. I also just ordered Kevin Cann's Chronology book published in 1984 so fingers crossed that helps. If not back to Amazon... – zmbro (talk) (cont) 15:42, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * so I can't find a lot of definitive info in the old magazines. RS was useless. The May 1983 issue of Musician has Bowie saying that he met Nile Rogers "a few months ago in a club in New York, just after I'd come back from doing the Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence movie". That's as close as I got to a timeframe. But there's no production date on Wikipedia. IMDB claims it was around August 1982 but it's unsourced. There's the quote that recording for Let's Dance took 3 weeks - but I think that either December 1982 or January 1983 are reasonable. I'll keep digging, but that's all I've found so far. 87Fan (talk) 02:44, 29 December 2022 (UTC) EDIT: RS had one bit of timing: Bowie states that in February (1983), he met with David Mallet in Switzerland to storyboard the videos for "Let's Dance" and "China Girl".
 * More info: The book In other words (edited by Kerry Juby) has this bit: "By the end of the year (1982), Bowie had begun recording a new album in New York and it wasn't long before he was to sign a five year contract with EMI America, and release the Let's Dance album." Jerry Hopkins' biography Bowie says that on January 27 1983, he turned over the master tapes for LD to EMI after signing & announcing the new contract. So it's evident that recording started in December 1982, but hadn't finished it until January, in time to sign the contract and hand over the master tapes at the end of that month. 87Fan (talk) 03:08, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey . Thanks for the info. Kevin Cann's Chronology book just arrived today and he says recording began in "early December 1982", which fits Buckley's description so I think we're gonna go with that. I'd be interested to hear where O'Leary got his info, as even on Pushing ahead of the dame he lists December 1982 but then in Ashes to Ashes all of a sudden it's January '83. So weird. But given we now have multiple things that say Dec '82 we are just gonna go with that. Thanks again for the help! – zmbro (talk) (cont) 03:36, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Use of the term 'Aborigine'
In the first paragraph under the heading "Release" there is multiple uses of the word 'Aborigine'. The use of the term 'Aborigine' is offensive. Consider "Australian Aboriginal" as a suitable replacement, or re-write references accordingly to better account for Australia's First Nations communities. For more information, refer to the Australian Government Style Manual: https://www.stylemanual.gov.au/accessible-and-inclusive-content/inclusive-language/aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-peoples OR this Amnesty International article: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2015/08/why-saying-aborigine-isnt-ok-8-facts-about-indigenous-people-in-australia/#:~:text='Aborigine'%20is%20generally%20perceived%20as,or%20'Torres%20Strait%20Islander' 2001:8003:1C38:1D00:4D42:6827:1104:9968 (talk) 11:29, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Adjusted. – zmbro (talk) (cont) 13:47, 13 January 2023 (UTC)