Talk:Let's trim our hair in accordance with the socialist lifestyle/Archive 1

Last Two Sections
I don't think the last two sections really belong in this article. The other cultures section is not parallel at all since the government is not mandating that people cut their hair to match that of their dictator in other Western countries. The comparisons aren't the same and should be removed. The section before that doesn't seem to make sense either... Anybody agree with me? Nrbelex (talk) 21:54, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

You're absolutely right, plenty of people find it abhorrent, and this article would seem to be stating the opposite.. and since the opposite of POV is POV..
 * Am I missing something? What is the "it" in "plenty of people find it abhorrent" and who are these "people"? Nrbelex (talk)[[Image:Sleuthicon.jpg|45px|]] 03:10, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I am the one responsible for introducing the two sections. I agree that the sections may be alterated to better fit in the article, and the section headings may be changed into something a little bit better. But to give proper balance to this article, and having read the Wikipedia Guide to NPOV article, since a total NPOV doesn't exist, you must include different point of view in your article. I added these sections to show that in western society, social pressure on how to look is very real. I don't disagree that in western society you are not 'forced' to dress in a certain way, but if you don't dress nice or cut your hair, you probably will lose your job and become a social outcast. Lastly I like to object the idea that the goverment of DPRK or Leader Kim Jong Il has dictated that people cut their hair in a certain way. There was a program highlighting hair styles, a program which I haven't seen, and I guess none of you have either. I would like to see that program, or to have credible first-hand witness report. Failing that, I add my own experience of the DPRK and state that if there was any indication that people 'should' or 'should not' cut their hair in a certain way, that is part of social training too, and the common factor being what is socially acceptible and what is not socially acceptible. Perhaps you would say that ideology and social etiquette is two different things, and yes, they are, but just because North Korea has a lot more ideology, doesn't mean they have much less social pressure than other nations. Indeed, there is a connection between how your apperance is, and what kind of ideology you have. Consider the US president with blue hair. Consider Janet Reno without hair. Consider Abraham Lincoln with a crewcut. Or Arnold Schwartznegger with long, blonde curles. My point is that yes, hair shows who you are and will tell how your ideology is. It defines you in a social grid. What is unusual is that just because the program was on DPR Korean television, suddenly the western journalist read all kinds of things in it. Unless proven otherwise, I think that's wrong. I've seen some of the hair examples on the internet, they are cut & paste examples that wasn't in the show (different color and resolution in each picture) so people try to invent the truth. The biggest problem we have today is to define truth. Failing that, feel free to revert my editing, but please include an important point about how a bad hairstyle will ruin your day in a capitalist environment too, and look really bad no matter which planet you're on. --Bjornar 21:26, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Benn M. 02:54, 2005 Apr 15 (UTC)

Removed note about cultural norms
"In all cultures, norms for physical appearance, including haircuts exist; those who deviate from such standards are sometimes subjected to varying levels of social pressure, however rare it may be for such norms to be associated with political ideology, or sanctioned by a central government." I felt this part lurched too far away from the subject. lots of issues | leave me a message 09:35, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

pov notice
I fail to see the justification for the criticism of the West in the last sentence. No evidence is presented that the three claims said to have been made by the Western media are incorrect, indeed they are consistent with the rest of the articles. Nor is any evidence presented that the Western media incorrectly disputed the two claims made in the last sentence, which just reiterate the rest of the article. CalJW 05:05, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I have removed the NPOV tag because these concerns seem to have been addressed. If you have further concerns, please feel free to re-apply the tag. NatusRoma 00:58, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Misc. Comments
Apologies for my brief use of this as a sandbox - a genuine error on my part, I reverted within a minute. Cheers, Tom. 81.178.171.53 20:33, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Photo request
I added the photo request template. This would be improved with images illustrating the types of hairstyles encouraged and discouraged by the campaign. However, it may be difficult to fulfil the request as the images used in the campaign may be difficult to obtain or to justify fair use for. ~ ONUnicorn (Talk / Contribs) 20:48, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Koreanname Box
It is big and obnoxious, any suggestions on what to do with it? Konamaiki 08:01, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've cut the contents of our sloppy namebox (comrade Infobox Korean name working at the Let's trim our hair in accordance with the socialist lifestyle article) one syllable shorter in accordance with our Wikipedia style. – Wikipeditor (talk) 08:30, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Fair use screen shots?
There are bits of this show on youtube at "/watch?v=-2XVNFzNlZ8". Can a fair use argument be written for screen captures from this? Can someone who speaks Korean do this so they know what they're getting (As opposed to me). Thanks. T L Miles (talk) 02:09, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was looking at that and wondering if we could link to it. WP:YOUTUBE of course says not to link to material that violates others' copyright, but when it's the North Korean government and the video attributes it properly I can't imagine it's a big deal.  Flying  Toaster  02:19, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I actually found one Boingboing.net had, which also adds to the compliance with the "Non free Content" policy, Part 4 "Previous publication. Non-free content must have been published or publicly displayed outside Wikipedia." It also shows some acceptable haircuts, which is rather hard to describe otherwise... T L Miles (talk) 02:31, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * All copyright of the video belongs to the Government of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea; if someone is able to obtain DPRK copyright laws, we might be able to see if we can find an exemption. (For example, in the People's Republic of China, all state-created material, news and current affairs depictions, and public works are in the public domain. If there is a similar law for the DPRK, we should be able to use the screendumps, as KCTV is run by the DPRK state.) I can create a DPRK-PD template if someone can provide me with DPRK copyright law. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 09:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright everyone, I have done my research, and hereby have created and completed Template:PD-DPRKGov and Template:CopyrightedFreeUse-DPRK, meaning that all state-created DPRK images are now permitted on all Wikimedia Foundation projects under free use, as permitted by the Copyright Law of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Kindest regards, and long live socialism, --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 11:48, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Snog Marry Avoid? (brit reality show)
...page links here. any particular reason?!

209.172.23.2 (talk) 01:19, 8 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for spotting this. I can't think of any idea why it should have: it doesn't any more. -- The Anome (talk) 09:42, 9 July 2016 (UTC)