Talk:Letters of the Living

Source
Thanks for putting up the page. It would be interesting to have birth-death dates; if you haven't already done so, I can search for them soon. This should be especially helpful in the context of any disputes about who may have done what to whom. Occamy 12:19, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

A relevant source that I cannot find on the Internet is: Hushang Guharriz, Huruf-i-Hayy (New Delhi: Mir`at Publications, 1993), a comprehensive compilation of the Letters of the Living, comprising Tablets, historical information and relevant articles. From  Occamy 12:49, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Errrrm I think it would be better if we keep information about the individuals to a minimum on this page - This is about the Letters of the Living as a whole. If we find out much about them then we can start biographical entries, but this page will get very cluttered if we write a paragraph about each.


 * By the way, when you link to websites, you only need one bracket . -- Tomhab 13:33, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Quddus
Also from [] are the following interesting quotes about the especially exalted station of Quddus:
 * Regarding the station of Quddus, he should by no means be considered having had the station of a Prophet. His station was no doubt a very exalted one, and far above that of any of the Letters of the Living, including the first Letter, Mulla Husayn. Quddus reflected more than any of the disciples of the Bab the light of His teaching. (11 November 1936, written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer)
 * It may be helpful to consider that in the Dispensation of the Bab, Quddus is referred to as the "Last Point", and the "Last Name of God", is identified, as pointed out in God Passes By, with one of the "Messengers charged with imposture" mentioned in the Qur'an, and is one of the "two witnesses" into whom "the spirit of life from God" must enter, as attested by Abdu'l-Baha in Some Answered Questions, yet, despite these sublime stations, he is not regarded as an independent Manifestation of God. (24 August 1975, written on behalf of the Universal House of Justice to an individual believer)  Occamy 12:55, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Murdered Letters
Just to let you know I'm not ignoring it, I'm just starting stubs for as many of the Letters as I can find. -- Tomhab 13:54, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Added a bit I've found in Maulana. It doesn't quite fit with the list. Does anyone know which might be to blame and have some credible source for it? Or am I just being an idiot and can't see it or another name for one of them. I'm not trying to discredit Maulana intentionally, but is odd. Maulana does get a few facts slightly wrong in his book though. -- Tomhab 00:49, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Miller
...The assertion that either were Letters is against Bahá'í belief and is also denied by Miller in his book... There doesn't seem to be any aforementioned Miller, so who exactly is being referenced here? My inclination is that it would be William Miller, and the book referenced would be The Baha'i Faith: Its history and teachings, but I could be wrong. Can anyone source this? And if not, is this reference particularly crucial for some reason? Keldan 08:48, 15 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Well spotted. A link is added to the bottom (I'm not sure about the ISBN) so I've left it as a link. One day I'll get around to finding a proper reference. -- Tomhab 11:37, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Azal misrepresented as source for his Lettership with Browne
The source for Subh-i-Azal's lettership was Gobineau not Azal. Subh-i-Azal was never any source for E.G. Browne on this point. Thamarih 12:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Got any proof? MARussellPESE 01:26, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Maulana Muhammad Ali as a Source
Maulana Muhammad Ali's book is not an appropriate source. WP:V requires reliable sources from reliable publishers. Inclusion fails both criteria:


 * 1) Maulana Muhammad Ali is an Ahmadi apologist rendering him an unreliable source.
 * 2) The book is published, in the U.S. by an Ahmadi publishing house: Ahmadiyya Anjuman Isha'at Islam Lahore, Inc., effectively making it self-published.

The only wiggle room for self-published authors is in ¶2 of WP:SELFPUB which allows for inclusion if their "work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications". No other third-party uses him or his book as a reference. MARussellPESE (talk) 22:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Miller as a Source
W.M. Miller's book is not an appropriate source. WP:V requires reliable sources from reliable publishers. Inclusion fails both criteria:


 * 1) William McElwee Miller is an evangelical Christian apologist rendering him an unreliable source.
 * 2) The book is published by the William Carey Library effectively making it self-published.

The only wiggle room for self-published authors is in ¶2 of WP:SELFPUB which allows for inclusion if their "work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications". No other third-party uses him or his book as a reference. MARussellPESE (talk) 22:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

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