Talk:Li Ao/Archive 1

undisambiguation
I have temporarily undisambiguated this page. All the links leading here refer to the modern Li Ao. The other Li Ao is probably more important, but the links leading here should be fixed before the disambiguation is made. Also, I think the convention is against using years as disambiguators. What is an accurate desciption of the modern Li Ao's job title? --Jia (ng) 04:01, 10 September 2004 (UTC)

Historian
I have removed the lines describing Li as historian from the article. I do not believe there is evidence supporting Li as a historia. Whoever prefers to attribute Li as a historian, please convince us with his articles or historical papers published in either international or domestic historical journals if it is not too much trouble. Many thanks.Mababa 04:24, 21 January 2005 (UTC)

Let's be realistic and search his works on this website:

http://w2.books.com.tw/data/search_book_exact.html

Not too many are history related. If there is, most of them are weird and conspiracy theories. I believe few of them would be scholar/researcher standard work though I do not bother to read them. Did he get a master or PhD on history? Did he publish any scholarly work or published on international journals? If his works make him qualify as historian, then does Sci/Fi channel producers qualify as scientists? Please help me understand how important it is to credit him to be a hisotrian or even make him sounds like a historian?Mababa (talk) 02:58, 6 February 2005 (UTC)

Yeah he is a historian. You should go to a library and borrow some of his books. All of them have lots of sources backing up his thesis. The particular ones I've read include a pretty scathing attack on Chiang Kai-shek, and a historical revisionist work on &#38515;&#28847;&#27665;, analyzing the early periods of KMT government. Most people would classify him as a historian. Wareware(talk) 07:24, 6 February 2005 (UTC)

I searched the books.com.tw and found some historical works, like the one about CKS. However, I noticed too that most of them are criticisms and weird things. This is because most of his historical works were included in &#25991;&#26143; or some other magazines, and you have to buy &#26446;&#25942;&#22823;&#20840;&#38598; to read them. Wareware (talk) 07:28, 6 February 2005 (UTC)

Also check the article on David Irving, even though Li Ao is probably ten times more meticulous in his research. Wareware (talk) 07:32, 6 February 2005 (UTC)

I guess you are probably a disciple of Li Ao and must have been a expert on his work. I will rest my case here unless other people has more stringent criteria on the title historian. I am still skeptical on calling him historian myself, though.

Interestingly, I have noticed that Li Ao has some tax dispute with ROC financial authorities and they managed to confiscate ~20 of his &#26446;&#25942;&#22823;&#20840;&#38598; from his home for auction. All of them failed to be sold in that auction. His salary as a legislator would be deducted on the payday until the tax is cleared.Mababa (talk) 07:48, 6 February 2005 (UTC)

English translation of Li Ao's recent speeches in China
Is it possible to obtain English translations of the recent speeches of Li Ao in China? 61.60.199.148 (talk) 15:43, 27 September 2005 (UTC)


 * i'm sure it's around, or gonna be. Perhaps wait a bit... or maybe someone knows a source... Xah Lee 04:14, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

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"After flashing a series of CIA-endorsed documents to reporters, he mailed them to Annette Lu, claiming that she would need to know the full extent of truth about the killing attempt."

I believe this is unsubstantiated. What reports place these documents as officially "CIA-endorsed"? I recall that one news story described these documents as "littered with spelling errors" and not very authentic-looking. Moreover, this should be big news if proved true. However nothing regarding this has appeared on the CIA website.

Therefore I strongly feel that the above paragraph should be modified.


 * Deciding whether the CIA documents are authentic isn't within our jurisdiction. How many of us have seen the documents first hand?  We just need to report the incident, not pass judgment on them.  Nothing has suggested the documents are real; nothing has been proven that they aren't either. Mandel (talk) 16:06, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Shouldn't this be mentioned: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/23/international/asia/23china.html

"During an address at Beijing University on Wednesday evening, broadcast live on a cable television network, Mr. Li chided China's leaders for suppressing free speech, ridiculed the university administration's fear of academic debate and advised students how to fight for freedom against official repression." ... "Though Mr. Li did not criticize President Hu directly, he made pointed references to the lack of freedoms in China and suggested that the "poker-faced" bureaucrats of the Communist Party did not have enough faith in their legitimacy to allow normal intellectual discussion." ... "With several top university officials sitting by his side, he called the administrators "cowardly" for ferreting out professors at the school who were suspected of opposing Communism." ... "Though his arrival in China was covered prominently by the state-run media and his speech was viewed on television by millions around China, propaganda authorities imposed a blackout on reporting about his visit after the speech." Bayle Shanks (talk) 19:19, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

a copy: http://taiwansecurity.org/NYT/2005/NYT-230905.htm

Have you heard the speech? It's not as pertinently anti-Communist as suggested. There's also no "blackout" as suggested by NY Times either, in fact many have expressed surprise at how tolerant the Chinese authorities have been on broadcast. I know this for a fact as I subscribe to CCTV. Mandel (talk) 16:06, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Trivia
The link in the trivia section is pretty useless for english readers....--Deglr6328 (talk) 23:07, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Comments about Singaporeans
I removed this passage. Please reword so that it is less awkward and encyclopedic. Also, perhaps this should be removed permanently because it is not significant. Kent Wang (talk) 15:52, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * In a TV show he explained why he said Singaporeans are "stupid". He said that is because although Singapore is a successful country, there aren't many outstanding individuals that he knows of. He said although Singaporeans don't break rules, they also don't stand out. Thus giving him an impression that Singaporean are "stupid". The full transcript in chinese is here.

Title of article
His Web page at the Legislative Yuan Web site uses "Lee Ao." Should the article be moved in accordance therewith? --Nlu (talk) 18:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:MOS. So no. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 14:27, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

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