Talk:Liam Gallagher/Archive 1

Alot of the stuff in here is hearsay and rumour. Not exactly fact. I'm also going to edit the bit where it says liam wrote a new song called "A bell will ring" because that was actually written by Gem Archer, Liams new song that was played at Glastonbury 2004 was "The Meaning of Soul". f No it's not. It's all 100% true. True true true true true true. True. Except for the lies.--Crestville 19:09, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

IMDB states his IQ at 147. anybody know where this is from. Maybe the "7" was a typo.


 * Yeah, I saw something like that on a tv show called 29 minutes of fame. Maybe he's an idiot savante?--Crestville 10:28, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Not only was a lot of this hearsay and rumour, but probably libellous too! I've toned it down a bit and removed some bits that were unnecessary. I've also transferred the quotes to Wikiquote. I also tried to give it a more neutral POV and corrected some spelling. Stu 11:49, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Teetotaller
The page of teetotalers on wikipedia claims Liam is abstaining ... is this true ? WinstonBerni 21:15, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Almost certainly not. He had a period in 2000.--Crestville 10:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Uninspiring
Whereas other Britpop bands such as Elastica and Manic Street Preachers chose not to play the media 'game', or if they did it was usually seen as uninspiring

I feel that when Richey James Edwards carved 4 real into his arm during an interview, calling it uninspiring is a bit wrong. Salmon 02:53, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Very true, please change it to something you feel is more appropriate--Crestville 17:09, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Jimmy Page
Can someone tell me where the story about him singing on Jimmy Page's next album came from please?
 * the Q awards 2005--Crestville 15:05, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Liam's voice
Has it really lost so much considerable power and range as you guys say so? Because I certainly disagree with you and moreover I think that Liam is progressing as a singer. He is finally putting some singing techniques, which he wasn't able to in recent albums. So, I really think that Liam is progressing as a singer and I think that you guys should answer why you are putting this. In my opinion your claim is POV. Elan Morin Tedronai 15:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I thought it was you who wrote all that stuff about him neading vocal training.--Crestville 16:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I haven't edited this page for a long time. What I wrote was that Liam had vocal lessons around the recording of DBtT two years ago and has sung most of the songs coming from the sessions - including b-sides and album songs - which is a self-evident progress from the Glasto performance. In my opinion it hasn't lost so much power and range. Elan Morin Tedronai 10:25, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with Elan, and I'd also like to see support for "...fans feel Liam's voice has lost range and power.." as that is a completely unverifiable conjecture and hearsay-filled opinion, also, I've removed the following passage:

"Another example of Gallagher's weakening voice is the popular track Columbia he no longer sings the end of the song in live concerts, leaving the "Come On, Come On, Come On, YEAH YEAH YEAH!" lyrics to brother Noel."

Completely ridiculous. Aside from the fact that Columbia hasn't been an Oasis setlist in eons, whos to say what the reasons are for why Oasis performs a certain song in the way they do. And who decided that the end of Columbia was particularly vocally intensive? [Its not.] Why do they play Acquiesce differently now, is it because Noel's fingers have begun to hurt? Whomever added that, please be a bit more hesitant to add something so non-encyclopedic in the future.


 * I've again removed the opinion-filled and unsubstantiated passage under lead singer that questions the current quality of Liam's voice. "Drinking/cigarettes may have taken their toll" is NOT encyclopaedic. Hrhadam 19:29, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Again, whomever is continually adding their opinion "Liam's voice has changed" to the Lead Singer section, its high time for you to cease. Also, whomever edited the passage regarding Liam's singing stance by making it shorter and worsening the English, please stop as well. Your entries are non-encylopaedic, in bad form, and quite ridiculous overall. "Liam's singing stance is one of his most recognizable aspects" sounds ridiculous. Hrhadam 09:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Comparisons completely inaccurate
I implore anyone to show me footage of either Ian Brown or Richard Ashcroft singing in a similar pose to Liam Gallagher. Neither singer's stage "presence" resembles Liam's in the least. Brown and Ashcroft: - Both hold the mic and/or mic stand in their hand. - Have the mic set at a normal height. In the case of Ashcroft's sometimes raised/angled down mic, he still sings straight into it. - Neither singer sings with a bent leg, bent torso, bent neck, and hands in their pockets or behind their back as Liam does. The parts of the Liam Gallagher article implying that his singing pose is a copy of or is influenced by either man are wholly incorrect.


 * Be bold, change it.--Crestville 17:56, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Galagher walks around the stage with the exact same swagger as Ian Brown, uses the tamburine in the same way...though I do totally agree about the singing stance, his stance is unique and original. --- Then I assume it was you who edited the passage -- "This pose has been suggested by some as a contributing factor to his distinct vocals" -- Who has "suggested" this? Where's the proof/support. I personally have never come across anything suggesting that Liam sounds the way he does because of his knee being bent, or even his neck being angled in that manner. Please change this to have a basis in reality, or I will. Also where is the citation for what Noel Gallagher supposedly said in December 2005 related to Liam's control over/reasons for modifying the Oasis set list? --- Anyone, anyone? I'm about to tear this unsubstantiable piece out.


 * Interview with Northsound 1, broadcast on December 12 2005.--Mr. Monobrow 00:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Cool, is there a link to this? Or did you just hear it and are loosely relaying it


 * I have a copy of the interview and can personally verify the comments.


 * What makes you think your "personal verification" means anything -- will you scan and e-mail the article to anyone who asks? Also, unrelated to your comments, what is this "controversy" section and where is the substantiation for any of it... And who thought it'd be a good idea to end the article on that note?


 * I'm also curious as to where Liam said that he "doesn't feel he is improving as a songwriter" ??

Mad fer it!

Citation and POV
I noticed this page in the 'recent changes' today, during a revert/edit war going on. I took a look, and can see a lot of unsourced statements and POV commentary about why he's famous, whether or not he's 'successful', and so on. The regular editors really should take a few hours and find citation for this article. ThuranX 20:10, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I took a bit of time and cleaned up a section already, in the hopes of prompting some constructive editing. I couldn't FIND sources for a few things I tried, so I'll leave it to those who pay more attention to this guy, and may know where to look, iinstead of hoping google will get a hit. ThuranX 20:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I have done some tidying up, including adding references, and removing silly citation requests. Some were basic common knowledge of Gallagher/his life, as well as some which aren't linkable. Several are from interviews or books which can't be verified through links. 136.206.11.249 15:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Removed a sentence from the third paragraph of the 'Childhood and early years' stating that Liam formed the band after The Stone Roses released their second album - this was in 1995, a year after Definitely Maybe had been released Cavie78 09:55, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Rhythm Guitar?
Curious about the part about Liam playing rhythm guitar in "November 1999 only." Liam is a guitarist, but was there actually a time [aside from the Songbird video] where he played guitar @ live Oasis shows? If so which ones, as I'd love to find footage.
 * Go Let It Out Video?--Crestville 12:04, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Never @ a live show though, right? That'd be odd.
 * I don;t think they were touring during this period, so probably not, no. Plus, his singing style is so iconic that you'd feel a bit cheated if his was playing guitar. When Noel has left tours, they always get a session guitarist in.--Crestville 15:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

OMG, what happened to Liam's voice
I know that this has already been discussed. But I recently watched live concerts of Oasis in the past few years, and Liam sounds like he has had a stroke. It is awful. I remember his range and power in the 90s. He was a truly awesome singer. I know he has aged, like everyone, but his voice should not have declined this much. Maybe he is drinking too much before going on stage. This really makes me appreciate their earlier work.

This is Oasis live with "Don't Go Away" in 1997. Simply Beautiful. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEO-hPFU8bE Now here is Oasis in 2005. Uggg!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAwy5xpg80A

You be the judge!
 * Oi, fool, this isn't a fanboard. Singers are going to have off periods, especially one with a style like Liam's, especially after touring ad nauseum.  There are videos of Liam in 1998 sounding just as he did on that show you linked from 2005.  He always gets it back.  You think Lennon never sounded off, or different?  Listen to I wanna hold yer hand or ticket to ride, then listen to Yer Blues.   Come on mate.  Now, to firmly shove you back into your place, listen to this, and tell me if it doesn't sound like it was recorded right after Don't Go Away live on SNL, 1997.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoNNZlRYX2M

Yeah that was but a few weeks ago. My friend was in the next studio, its as real as it gets. Liam sounds 21. Madferit.

LMFAO AT 'Liam sounds 21' and 'sounds like it was recorded right after Don't Go Away' - get a grip. There is no way that performance on Within You, Without You matches up to what he used to be able to produce back in 1993-1995. His voice has been on the downward spiral since as early as Earls Court in Dec 95. As for him sounding like he's 21 again, that would be in 1993, and I don't think you've ever heard any of the radio sessions they did in 1993 as otherwise you wouldn't be saying that. If Simon Cowell had heard Liam in 1993 he would have wet himself; he was THAT good. Now however, he isn't,


 * Ok, I'm the one that wrote "Liam sounds 21," in my excitement at the new track. Rather than arguing and picking supposed shows at which Liam's voice began to supposedly go downhill, why not just listen to the new track?  Please realize things like this are subjective -- in fact many people prefer his gruff, 2001 voice from the Wembley shows, above all.  Also, you kinda had me until the Simon Cowell part.  To you, Simon Cowell = musical credibility?  Why not pop in a nice Il Divo record and forget all about Oasis, then, mate.

I recall back in the 1997 a vocal specialist coming on the radio pointing out that if Liam continued to sing in the pose he adopts on stage he would destroy his vocal chords over time. This is clearly what has happened. His voice is dead, I wouldn't call it gruff, he sounds like Mr Blobby. The recent BBC musical proms demonstrate that he really is finished, wonderwall and I'm Outta Time were appalling. And it's not even because he's on tour so tired, the vocal on the last two records was dreadful aswell. Even on Let there be love which was ok, it sounded like he had a bad cold. Noel needs to go on a solo career and Liam needs to retire. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.126.149 (talk) 18:42, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


 * What else do you recall? Being dumped by a bird as Oasis played?  Its obvious given your hostility :)  Anyways, I'm not only a massive Oasis fan, but a fan of Liam Gallagher, the singer, the rock n roll star, the man, so yes I'm a tad biased, but even I can admit Liam had some very underwhelming performances circa the 2005 tour -- but he's righted himself, I've been to two dates from this tour and was blown away, taken back to the early 90s, heard it with me own two mate

I don't doubt you heard it with your own two. But lets face it, old Liam sounds like he's got a hot water bottle shoved down his yonka. His most massive vocal for me was D'you know what I mean? Listen to that and then wang on Keep the Dream a Live and recognise the truth. The man's pipes are all spoon sized. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.121.89 (talk) 23:20, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Idol of Praise
What exactly does this mean, in the opening passage of the article? The citation is a YouTube video where Liam talks about his feelings about music.. Well and good, but what is an Idol of Praise? Hrhadam (talk) 19:22, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

IMPROVEMENT
Is anyone up for helping me DRASTICALLY improve the quality of this page? I write you cite. This is one of the best known and most significant rock and roll stars of all time, and I feel the page is lacking. Hrhadam (talk) 20:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * So we do all the work and you just make it up as you go along?--Crestville (talk) 17:30, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah I was gonna weave a fabricated tale of how Liam can actually fly. :) Not quite, didn't mean it that way :)  I've been intending to lengthen, clarify, and improve this article for months upon months now -- I figured if I posted something about it, I'd be forced to; additionally I desired to gauge other's interest in expanding upon the article beyond its current, essentially dormant state. Hrhadam (talk) 21:19, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've been "commisionned" to work on this page by another user. I've already started on the childhood section and I could use some help finding good material to reference. 16:34, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. However, I like the lead singer section.  I'll cite the first paragraph up when I have time, as I will the 2nd one.  Writer1400, thanks for your help as well, but I think it bears leaving, if with a bit of reworking. Hrhadam (talk) 00:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

"Thomas was an alcoholic"
John Harris mentions in his book "The Last Party" that Thomas Gallagher was teetotal.

12:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

New Photo?
Does anyone else think that this page's photo doesn't really look like Liam? Maybe we should replace it with a pic that's more representative, if you will. C1k3 (talk) 03:12, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Daughter Molly
Never knew about this. I've heard in some of his interviews that he only has two kids - Lennon and Gene. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.114.241 (talk) 22:29, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Molly is his daugther with singer Lisa Moorish. Notably, she also has a child with Pete Doherty.  For the height of Britrock incest, listen to the Fade Away Warchild Version, which features, Noel, Liam, Kate Moss, Lisa Moorish, and Johnny Depp.

Hrhadam (talk) 17:12, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

What happened?
This page is bloody awful. I leave for a few months and its just completely trashed, most of all the lead singer section. Who thought it prudent to remove the description of Liam's singing pose? This makes me ill, and I'll be cleaning it up, reinstating certain things and removing some of the unencylopedic trash. Hrhadam (talk) 17:14, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Additionally, I've clarified the part about Liam's religious beliefs. Someone who "sometimes believes," has "talked to God," and who discusses heaven and hell, the devil, God, etc, as things he believes in, is pointedly NOT an Atheist.  Get it straight.

Hrhadam (talk) 22:47, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Typos
I was not aware that the recording industry produced a "comilation". I would correct it, but since it is semi-protected I cannot. Please proofread in future.
 * Good catch. It's been fixed. C1k3 (talk) 06:33, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Source for Liam's voice
I found a suitable source for the supposed Lennon/Lydon blend of Gallagher's singing voice. It's on P78 of the March 2008 Q Magazine (number 260), part of the article "Albums of the '90s". Quote: "Most British Moment: Gallagher's brilliantly untutored drawl- one part John Lennon, one part John Lydon." If someone could see their way to filling in the blank under the header "Musical Style", it would be another small step to improving the article. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Project140C (talk • contribs) 20:12, 16 August 2009

Done Welcome and thanks for providing this reference. Celestra (talk) 22:08, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

My Space?
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it against Wikipedia policy to include a My Space link in the infobox where the band's website belongs? I am unsure but have not seen an article that would display that make it to GA-status. As I don't have this talk page on my watchlist, please someone drop me a note on my talk page too, if you can find anything in actual WP policy re: My Space in the infoboxes-- I frequently find pages missing infoboxes and photos, and so, after seeking & uploading a photo and providing the box with the info from the articles, or doing random cleanup and copyediting, I come across this issue. Thanks.--Leahtwosaints (talk) 16:39, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Protection
Please remove the protection. I want to add some details. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.69.236.234 (talk) 11:00, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


 * It's only protected for another three days, so sit tight... or if you can't wait, get an account :) -- Bobyllib (talk) 19:49, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


 * what were you wanting to add?(Monkeymanman (talk) 19:50, 14 April 2010 (UTC))

personal life section missing/weak
for a pop star his details are very much missing. spouse? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.18.179.97 (talk) 05:25, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

English/Irish - again
We've discussed this before but here goes again.

1. why is it necessary to stick English before musician? It's repetitive as later on in the same sentence we get "English rock band"

2. it's unreferenced, and probably unreferenceable.

3. it's POV: you can assert the Gallaghers are English because they were born in England (although presumably that makes Cliff Richard Indian, not English); others can assert they're Irish because they've got Irish parents but their indentity is probably somewhere in between. There's no official defintion of English, unlike their British nationality (and Irish nationality if they chose to assert it).

If you want, we could put British but I don't really see that as necessary given the article says they were born in Manchester to Irish parents. Haldraper (talk) 15:52, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Their parents were Irish-born - they may well have become British citizens for all we know. The brothers were born and raised in England, have lived in England all their lives and are British citizens. Ethnicity (or 'identity') does not belong in the lede in this case (WP:MOSBIO: "Ethnicity...should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability"). Nationality is fine in the lede, which is British in this case. There are plenty of sources describing the brothers as British. A British person from England is English - is that really so controversial? --Michig (talk) 16:16, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't want to get into a big argument about this but however, I do believe "English" is correct for the lead because Liam himself was born and raised in Burnage which is in England. Most person or persons who are from England are described as English, whether they are of Irish descent or not. I could remove the "English rock band" to just "rock band" if it is too redundant. As for nationality, Liam's parents may be Irish-born but that does not make Liam an Irish-born citizen. It seems to me that Haldraper is really intent on pushing his or her POV that he is of Irish nationality. Just a couple of days ago, someone changed his nationality to Manchester-Irish which is not really proper for Wikipedia's standards. Haldraper did not object to this. --TheOnlyOne12 (talk) 12:42, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I expect this is already on WP somewhere, but a glimpse of Noel Gallagher's thoughts is here. (It's a Mirror article but I can't find it on the Mirror's website.)  Mr Stephen (talk) 18:25, 2 April 2012 (UTC)


 * As Michig said, WP:MOSBIO says nationality should be in the lead but not ethnicity/identity. There is no dispute about the Gallaghers' British nationality so that's how they should be described.  The section on their early life - being born in Manchester to Irish parents - fills out their ethnic background.  Haldraper (talk) 08:12, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Here's what I don't understand. English people of Irish descent are described as English instead of British. Noel and Liam could be described as British but it can be somewhat vague. If you look at Morrissey or Kate Bush who are of Irish descent, they are described as English first since they were born and raised in England. Not Irish or British. Why does it need to be any different when it comes to Noel and Liam? TheOnlyOne12 (talk) 02:02, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


 * It doesn't. WP:MOSBIO says that the lead should include nationality rather than ethnicity. The Gallaghers' nationality is British (as is Morrissey's whose lead also now conforms to MOSBIO). Haldraper (talk) 20:13, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Haldraper, you've been bold, but your edits are being reverted by several other editors. Please consider WP:UKNATIONALS vs. WP:MOSBIO before challenging the long-standing consensus again. Being called English by nationality (not ethnicity) in the opening sentence is perfectly valid, in exactly the same way as being called Scottish or Welsh is acceptable. --Garik 11 (talk) 08:37, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * English, Scottish and Welsh aren't nationalities, they're ethnic backgrounds/identities. The common nationality is British. Haldraper (talk) 13:10, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course, English, Scottish and Welsh are both nationalities and ethnic backgrounds/identities, just like French or Russian, even though "British citizenship is the most common type of British nationality." Per WP:MOSBIO and WP:UKNATIONALS, when there is "an English", "a Welsh" or "a Scottish" in the opening sentence, it means, by default, nationality, not ethnicity, of the person as it was "when the person became notable." --Garik 11 (talk) 14:36, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Guest Vocal
It would be nice to see a list of tracks Liam has provided guest vocals on, or solo performances; as Oasis is not the sum total of his efforts.

The Prodigy – Shoot Down Death In Vegas - Scorpio Rising

Here are two for a start. I am sure there must be more. If you can contribe list them here and perhaps if we can get half a dozen it may be worthy of listing in the main article. Kayakboy (talk) 14:06, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

(co-writer) "He co-wrote a song called ‘Love Me And Leave Me’ with former Stone Roses guitarist and songwriter John Squire for The Seahorses debut album in 1997." [] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.34.160.242 (talk) 03:25, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

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