Talk:Liberal Democratic Party (Japan)

Organized when?
I bet LDP was organized in 1955. Do you have reliabe source that attests the priministers were from LDP since 1948? Taku 20:42 Jan 2, 2003 (UTC)
 * Sorry my mistake. I am translating a book about history of Japan. You are right ... I will fix it. In fact, since 1948, the rulers were from Jiyuto or Minshuto which have merged in 1955. Thanks Takusan for your correction :-) If I have time I will right more on politics of Japan. -- Youssefsan

I am just wondering so the book about history of Japan has a misconception? --Taku
 * No. I had read "conservatives" and I thought it was eaqual to LDP -- Youssefsan

Liberal Democrat Party is also a name used by Liberal Democrats (UK) and various other countries.
 * Thanks. -- Youssefsan

The page was moved to reflect the fact that the title is a proper name. Eclecticology 20:52 Feb 13, 2003 (UTC)

Koizumi is not a member of Hashimoto faction but was of Mori faction (not written), or this "Koizumi" is another.

Faction split to form party?
Under factions, would it be useful to list factions that split to form new political parties?

This article needs to be updated to mention the recent People's New Party split. Yodakii 05:01, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Koizumi member of 2 factions?
''Heisei Kenkyukai (Hashimoto Faction), .. It is now led by Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi in the lower house and Aoki Mikio in the upper house. ... Seiwa Seisaku Kenkyukai (Mori Faction), led by Mori Yoshiro. Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi is a member of this faction.''

Is Koizumi really a leader of one faction and a member of another? Can someone clear this up? I can't read Japanese well enough to find out.


 * Koizumi Junichiro is former leader of Seiwa Seisaku Kenkyukai. He is not member of Heisei Kenkyukai. Sh 06:07, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Conservative/Moderate?
Someone added that the LDP was a moderate party. Electionworld.org, Worldstatesmen.org, and also the Japanese Consulate General of LA have confirmed that the LDP is a conservative party, and the most conservative party. New Komeito has quite a moderatly radical agenda. I am re-editing.
 * The LDP is a big tent. You have LDP leaders as diverse as Kono Yohei and Aso Taro. But 90% of LDP leaders are conservative compared to the opposition in Japan. The LDP is not an extreme right wing party, nor is it a particularly moderate right-wing party. It is very plainly, very simply, "conservative." Any attempt to modify that descriptor is just acceptance of one side or another's political posturing. ALC Washington 00:33, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I partly agree, partly disagree. The definition and/or how "conservative" is re-coined anywhere may have quite different nuances, in relation with the region's history: what is to be conserved or restored, see Japan ruling MPs call Nanjing massacre fabrication, 2007, Reuters, alertnet.org, and also note how broad the width of spectrum of ideas a group can hold without disintegrating, depending on the political culture and climate. --Makesdark (talk) 07:16, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Factions
The "Factions" section needs to be updated. I don't know enough to do much about now. Also, should the new members be included in a seperate faction? Some are already calling it "Koizumi Children". --Yodakii 14:28, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

CIA Influence?
"From the 1950s through the 1970s, the American Central Intelligence Agency spent millions of dollars attempting to influence elections in Japan to favor the LDP against more leftist, Soviet backed parties, such as the Socialists and the Communists, although this was not revealed until the mid-1990s when The New York Times exposed it."

Sources? That's a pretty heavy accusation to be throwing around. I'm not saying I doubt it (the actions are actually quite in character with certain CIA operations of the period, IMO), but there does need to be a verifiable source for the information. Maybe the NY Times article(s) relating to this should be cited?

Whoops, forgot to sign that. Anyway, I found a source from the JPRI. I'll add it to the article. Moonsword 00:47, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Yup It's True! 

see below too

LATE PREMIER YOSHIDA REPORTEDLY KNEW OF CIA-LDP PAYMENTS. 249 words 18 October 1994 BBC Monitoring Service: Asia-Pacific English (c) 1994 The British Broadcasting Corporation _F Kyodo News Service, Tokyo, in English 0459 gmt 15 Oct 94

Excerpts from report (for a previous report, see FE/2127 E/4 [10])

Washington, 14th October: The late Japanese Prime Minister Shigeru Yoshida knew of secret manoeuvres by the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to procure military material from Japan in the early 1950s, according to a US professor's research made available Friday [14th October].

The CIA launched the manoeuvres in 1951 to procure tungsten, a material to reinforce steel for military use during the 1950-53 Korean War and other purposes in the intensified Cold War, said the study by the late Howard Schonberger, a professor at the University of Maine. The late Kay Sugahara, a Japanese-American businessman, and the late Yoshio Kodama, a Japanese ultrarightist, were involved in Project "W" (W for wolfram, another name for tungsten), the research said...

Sugahara, also an official of the US Office of Strategic Services, the predecessor of the CIA, procured tungsten from Japan through Kodama and paid 2.8m US dollars to the rightist, the manuscript said...Then Bank of Japan Governor Hisato Ichimada, now deceased, also knew about development of the project, the research said...

Former CIA Director William Colby denied Friday [14th October] both Project "W" and earlier media reports that the CIA formed a "special group" in 1958 to study the feasibility of financially assisting the LDP.

(c) BBC Monitoring Summary of World Broadcasts.

Document bbcfe00020011105dqai000nn

The good news is that the Japanese are happy about the end result--Caligvla 21:58, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

History
The history section completely misses the partys many connections to organised crime (yakuza). Especially Yoshio Kodama, the main power behind the formation of the party. Also Ryoichi Sasakawa.

Maybe I should do this myself. But I sense I wouldn't get away with adding such things without good sources. --Apoc2400 10:12, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Policy Affairs Research Council
According to various sources (eg. Stockwin) the head of the LDP Policy Affairs Research Council is one of the most senior figures of the LDP. However I have found it hard to find out anything about this council except for the fact its head is important. Can anyone give more information?129.12.200.49 22:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The Policy Affairs Research Council (PARC) is an LDP organ, not an organ of the government. It serves multiple functions. Primarily, it coordinates the research of the powerful bureaucracy and the government leaders over proposed laws or regulations. Before a bill is even written the PARC issues recommendations on what the bill should look like, what it will cost, the best way to manage it, how the various factions will look at it, etc. The head of PARC is thus extremely influential in that his committee can make or break a bill by the way they analyze it and the manner in which they choose to present it to the party members. For more information I recommend Gerald R. Curtis' "Logic of Japanese Politics". Wtlegis 07:31, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Fact Check
Something's funny with this sentence, from the Structure section: To make the system more democratic, Prime Minister Miki Takeo introduced a "primary" system in 1978, which opened the balloting to some 1.5 million LDP members. Takeo Fukuda was Prime Minister in 1978, not Miki, who resigned two years earlier. Could someone clarify/correct this? -David Schaich 00:52, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I've replaced Miki Takeo with Takeo Fukuda. -David Schaich 01:43, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Term Limit on LDP Presidency
"At the apex of the LDP's formal organization is the president (japanese: sosai), who can serve two three-year terms (The presidential term was increased to three years from two years in 2002)." I think it will be quite useful to add a reference here. As in the LDP constitution it only mentioned that " The President shall be elected by vote according to the Rules for the Election of President of the Party, which shall be stipulated separately." (http://www.jimin.jp/jimin/english/e-Rule/e-Ru-ch2.html) but it seems The Rules aren't on the site. Can anyone give some help here?

What are the political positions of this party?
Here we have a lengthy article about one of the world's major political parties, yet we learn next to nothing about its political positions, except for repetitive use of the term "conservative". What use is an article about a political party without basic information like this? After all, a political party is nothing but a shorthand for a bundle of political positions. AxelBoldt 01:00, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * What is its position regarding the Israeli-Palestine conflict?
 * What is its position regarding a stronger role of the military in Japan?
 * What is its position regarding immigration and minorities in Japanese society?
 * What is its position regarding progressive taxation?
 * What is its position regarding unions/ minimum wage laws/ social welfare?
 * What is its position regarding consumer protection laws/environmental regulations?
 * What is its position regarding global warming?
 * What is its position regarding censorship/right to free speech?
 * What is its position regarding punishment vs. reformation of criminals?
 * What is its position regarding abortion/contraception/sex education?
 * What is its position regarding same sex marriage?
 * What is its position regarding the low birth rate in Japan?


 * Thank you. What I hate about political party articles on wiki is that it gives USELESS information and not the important material.

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk) 21:46, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * About half of your questions are irrelevant to Japanese politics and culture. In particular, Japan has very few stakes in the Middle East beyond SDF working for the coalition in Iraq.  Homosexuality is still a touchy subject in Japan post-occupation.  Almost all political parties refuse to talk about immigration because the Japanese have more severe race issues than you fathom.  More importantly, though, your questions are framed in a liberal American mindset, so even if they were relevant to Japan, they come across as being out of touch with the actual issues of Japan.  Of all these, I think the ones actually relevant to LDP's position are the role of the SDF and maybe the low birth rate (though I think the question there should be about care for the elderly).

While you present an honest concern, research the political issues of this country before you present your argument. Not every "Western" country is like the United States. Brokenwit (talk) 06:44, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, he has an honest concern, and a good point here.--Makesdark (talk) 11:30, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

I think you have a good point here. The article looks somewhat like a brochure ;) --Makesdark (talk) 11:30, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Name
I mostly agree with the above post, and also ask this question: I always assumed, based off the name, that the Liberal Democrats were liberal. Why would they use this name if they are conservative? Brutannica 21:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * This happens in more countries, for two reasons (that I know of... I'm not much into politics, there may be more). Firstly, conservative doesn't mean the same everywhere in the world. In America conservative may have anti-liberal an undemocratic connotations, but in other parts of the world this may mean entirely different things. Secondly, sometimes a party gradually changes, keeping a technically outdated name. For example the Dutch VVD (People's party for Freedom and Democracy) fits a bit in both patterns. It is / used to be a conservative party in the European sense in that it supported a liberal market, while defending democracy, the welfare state, personal freedom, etc. But in recent years a strong right-wing faction in the party developed whose main priority appears to be turning the Netherlands in a police state. This faction appears to have lost the power struggle for now and the pro-freedom faction continues to set most of the party policy, but if it hadn't the party's name would not have been very appropriate anymore. Shinobu 16:55, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Which one is it? The article says the two parties that formed the LDP were conservative. Brutannica 23:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * We need to be careful about making political value judgments on Wikipedia, especially in this type of article. The LDP formed as a pro-business anti-Socialist organization by a merger of the above mentioned Democratic and Liberal Parties after the war in 1955 (The '55 System), and with the United States' blessing. The LDP was liberal in the classical Western sense in that is supported, and still supports, trade liberalization (to a degree, arguments over trade protectionism notwithstanding), voting rights, free markets, individual rights, etc. It is Democratic in that it does not advocate ending elections or reducing the franchise (maybe not a necessary statement to make, but you never know). "Conservative" and "Liberal" do not mean "anti-freedom" and "pro-freedom" any more in the United States than they do elsewhere. You have to analyze the meaning in light of the local context. If you use the classical Western European context of "liberal" and not current ideologically-driven contextual meanings then the name makes sense. Wtlegis 07:31, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Neutrality of Platform Section
There are quite a few things that bothered me about the "Platform" section in this article. The section carries a very negative tone with respect to the party. To begin with, the section mentions that one single author has likened the LDP to a communist party, without providing any explanation whatsoever as to what it is about the party that makes it communist, or why Japan seems to be a "working communism" under the party. Not only that, but this appears to be the opinion of a single author and not a general point of view of the party, let alone a neutral one. Next, the article states "The party is the most right-wing and conservative party in Japan, and is still the most popular.", as if the party is popular in spite of its conservatism. This kind of tone gives the impression that conservatism is by its very nature unpopular and wrong, and while I personally don't follow conservative ideology, I don't think that wikipedia should be advocating against it. The section goes on to state "Nevertheless, because of its status as the ruling party, it is marred by various special interests pushing for government patronage. The LDP has also been troubled by financial scandals.", yet it provides no proof or basis for this so-called patronage and these scandals. Finally, it states "The Democratic Party of Japan is their major opposition and is gaining control over the conflict. The DPJ is putting an end to the anti-terrorism refueling mission." It would probably be nitpicking to call this paragraph out for NPOV, but there are other problems with it so I might as well throw it in there anyway. What exactly does this mission entail? How is the DPJ putting an end to the mission? Are they even putting an end to it, or is this just party rhetoric, stating that they are trying to put an end to it? The paragraph gives the impression that the DPJ is somehow wresting control of Japan's armed forces from the governing party, which I find hard to believe. I'd also like to add that the section says absolutely nothing about the party's actual platform except that it is conservative (duh) and that it advocates this refuelling mission. This section definitely needs more information, and it needs to be presented in a more neutral tone than it is now. Uniqueuponhim (talk) 11:31, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Friedman quote?
What's the point of having that there? It just reads like an advertisement for his book. Rmsharpe (talk) 06:34, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Liberal conservatism?
In what meaning is liberal conservatism listed here? As Conservative on moral and social issues, or as more libertarian, promoting individual liberty with economic freedom? Thanks --Novis-M (talk) 02:22, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, as a newbie here, though I didn't go through and check the logs for that, LDP's liberal element in Liberal conservatism (although somewhat an assumption), may be a "historically-relative" expression, asserting democracy rather than the former statism (see preamble from LDP's constitution). I assume this because of the historical nature of the post-war period and how and when the party was formed. (see also Liberal_Party_(1945) and Nobusuke_Kishi). Another usage of 'liberal' in the modern Japanese social and political context may be found in wordings such as "Liberal View of History Study Group"(see quote below), where the term 'liberal' is used in a context of being liberized from certain conventional views; this seems plainly historical revisionism, maybe on grounds of populism, as far as it appears to me.


 * see also Japan's History Wars and Popular Consciousness - David McNeill, The Asia-Pacific Journal: Japan Focus, and Abe, LDP sued over history text approval, Japan Times, 2006--Makesdark (talk) 08:58, 30 December 2009 (UTC)


 * One thing to note, this revived-nationalistic context is no new idea, just like those haunting holocaust revisionist for the European issue. The 'Liberal'(free from something opressing against his or her idea) views in a re-coined context may become only just more visible and outspoken to the outside global community, depending on the political climate (another such an exapmle was The Japan That Can Say No). --Makesdark (talk) 09:26, 30 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, the usage of the term "Conservative" is from 19th century French politics which is the de facto standard of what could be described as "Liberalism" in other countries such as the Netherlands, Japan, South Korea, Etc. but because the majority of Wikipedia's readers are more familiar with the term Conservative to mean Liberal, and Liberal to mean Social-Democrat naming the political ideologies correctly is avoided.


 * -- 58.187.168.230 (talk) 14:08, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Ideology edit warring
While I agree with the removal of unsourced info by the IP, could everyone please stop edit-warring about the party's ideology? It's really not so different if it's a "center-right" or "right-wing", and whether it's "nationalist" or not. If you (I don't mean just the IP, I mean the various editors that have been adding and subtracting these recently) really want to argue, do it here on the talk page instead of just changing it back at forth. If y'all don't stop, I'll either request the page to be locked, or report one or more of you for edit-warring.Qwyrxian (talk) 07:32, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Faction information
Is the section on Seiwa Seisaku faction vandalised? Some seriously bitter text there, and no source either. I have not the slightest idea about Japan politics, but I find it hard to believe a faction would survive from such a platform.Jostikas (talk) 17:23, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Stop edit warring
It cannot be where a person in his own country support center-right policies and support center-left parties of other countries. People need to be straight. I look at US Republican Party as American nationalist and reactionist, but I don't go in that article and start inserting those text on that page. People need to look at this objectively. 67.190.167.127 (talk) 13:45, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Merge Liberal Dem. Party with History of LDP
Strong Support There's already a section in the main article covering the modern history of the party. No reason not to include the rest of its history- common-sensical... Veryproicelandic (talk) 08:38, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 1 one external link on Liberal Democratic Party (Japan). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080820033055/http://voanews.com/english/2007-09-23-voa5.cfm to http://voanews.com/english/2007-09-23-voa5.cfm
 * Added tag to http://www.japantoday.com/category/politics/view/new-political-party-to-be-named-tachiagare-nippon-stand-up-japan

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 13:48, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Position
'Right-wing to far-right' seems to be appropriate for the current political position of LDP. Because the extreme right now holds the leadership of the LDP. The moderates are not as strong as they used to be. One thing is certain: it has become hard to see recent articles describing LDP as center-right. I wonder what other people think.--삭은사과 (talk) 12:57, 12 June 2019 (UTC)


 * There needs to be specific sources that state that the party has moved away from the centre-right to justify its removal. The party is a big tent party, with views ranging from the centre-right, through the right-wing and some that people consider far-right, although I'd say the far-right element is a minority. When labeling a party's political position in the infobox it must represent what the party is as a whole and I have seen no evidence that the centre-right of this party has left it or changed their views. Sources must also meet Wikipedia's rules regarding WP:RELIABILITY and WP:SYNTH. Factions within the party and whether or not they are in control should not change how the party is labelled as a whole. I have seen this argued on Wikipedia talk pages before. For example, there are centre-left and centre-right political parties in Europe where someone seen by the press as being on the left-wing or right-wing has become the leader, yet we still label the party either centre-left or centre-right, a new leader or ruling faction does not necessarily change the political position of the party as a whole, and it certainly doesn't remove other elements of the party unless they decide to leave it. Helper201 (talk) 13:24, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * LDP today is similar to Fidesz, AK Party, United Russia, Bharatiya Janata Party. They are also officially center-right, but the reason why they describe it as "right-wing" (from Wikipedia) is because the party has become right-leaning and the hard-right has the upper hand. The LDP-led Nippon Kaigi is an ultra-nationalist group, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, a far-right nationalist, and Deputy Prime Minister Taro Aso even defended Hitler . Nippon Kaigi is an organization that denies war crimes during World War II and glorifies the Pacific War, and does the LDP mainstream defy them?--삭은사과 (talk) 05:07, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Right-wing populism and nationalism are usually classified as extreme right in advanced countries (e.g., Western Europe, Northern Europe, the United States, Canada, etc.) similar to Japan. One of the facets is that the LDP is a nationalist party, and it pursues populism. It is right to say that the center-right/centre-left party does not immediately change to the right because the "right-wing"/left-wing leader took power. But Abe has already been criticized by some reliable Western media as "far-right", and the party's major forces do not rebel against Abe and are cooperative with the Abe administration. On the other hand, just because Corbin is in power does not mean that the mainstream in the party does not rebel against him. The LDP is in a different situation from the center-right/center-left parties in Europe. I believe that at this point the propensity of LDP should at least be "Right-wing".--삭은사과 (talk) 05:41, 13 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Please do take a look at WP:SYNTH. We must go by what reliable sources explicitly state, not try and come to our own conclusions by saying right-wing populism = extreme right (which it does not), or in other words A = B, again please see the SYNTH rule. We must not as editors input our own views but simply go by what reliable sources explicitly state.


 * I'm not saying we should remove the poition of right-wing, it is cited and I think it should be there. I'm simply saying that centre-right is also cited by many sources (and I provided a citation from a relibale source from as recently as 2018 that also labels the party as centre-right). As for Abe, many sources decribe him as right-wing, few as far-right e.g.  .  I agree the Nippon Kaigi is an ultranationalist group. The issue is that there are reliable sources that state the party as centre-right, so this should still be kept, I have seen none that explicitly say the party has moved away from this position. Helper201 (talk) 14:10, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Isn't it true that there is a significant 'hard right-wing' stake in Japan's Liberal Democratic Party?
It is not that the LDP itself is the extreme right, but that it does not appear to be a violation of NPOV that states that extreme right-wing actions exist within the LDP.

I don't think 'Jeff6045' has suggested an unreliable source. (In addition, this is something that even 'Helper201' that I and I argued about in the talk document did not take issue with.(problems with the logical position of the LDP)--삭은사과 (talk) 10:16, 2 September 2019 (UTC)


 * To be honest I think the far-right sections should probably be left out of the infobox. However, I do think the party's far-right factions should be mentioned in the main text of the page. The problem is that it is inconsistent formatting to include a 'sections' area of the political position part of the infobox. I don't know any other political party Wikipedia page that does this. Many big political parties have factions in them that differ to the party as a whole but we don't include it in the infobox. We only include how the party is labelled as a whole. Helper201 (talk) 16:00, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Social democratic and pacific factions
LDP is widely described as conservative ,but this party is a big-tent, so I think that centre-left aspect should not be ignored. I can show you some articles that position the LDP as social democracy or pacifist:

https://diamond.jp/articles/amp/211556?skin=amp&device=smartphone&display=b

https://www.nippon.com/en/currents/d00122/bringing-internationalism-back.html

Also, some consider the LDP policies like 2015 Japanese military legislation to be militarism, but the official view of the Japanese government is aimed at the development of pacifism and international coordination. I think that Wikipedia should not include only evaluations that are considered militarism among various evaluations.

Official website of the Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs:

https://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/security/ index.html

If you have any comments or suggestions, please reply here. Thanking you in advance.

Littlelessleast (talk) 10:40, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

, Firstly I want to thank for your input. I have seen many sources that you uploaded. However unfortunately, since I'm not Japanese I can't deside the sources written in Japenese whether they are reliable or not. So, if you don't mind can you translate your sources written in Japanese to English? I know it might be hard, but your contribution can have positive effect on Wikipedia. Jeff6045 10:03, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

,

Thank you for your reply.

First, English translation of this website (page1) https://diamond.jp/articles/amp/211556?skin=amp&device=smartphone&display=b

ポピュリズム政党の勢力拡大が 世界中で止まらない 世界を席巻するポピュリズムは、「既存政治」を飲み込む勢いである. ドナルド・トランプ米大統領の「米国第一主義（アメリカファースト）」は、米国内で移民や宗教などに対する過激な言動をますますエスカレートさせている. 外交においても米中貿易戦争、イラン経済制裁とホルムズ海峡を防衛する「有志連合」の呼びかけ、「日米安保破棄発言」と在日米軍駐留費5倍増の要求と、ますますやりたい放題だ（本連載第211回）.

英国では、ボリス・ジョンソン首相が誕生した（第217回）. ボリスは、欧州連合（ＥＵ）離脱に関して「何が何でも10月末にＥＵを離脱する」という強硬な姿勢を示した. 「合意なき離脱」が現実味を帯びてきている.

他の欧州諸国でも、2017年には、フランス大統領選で、極右政党・国民連合（旧国民戦線）のマリーヌ・ルペン党首が決選投票に勝ち残った（第162回）. ドイツでも、アンゲラ・メルケル政権の移民政策に批判が集中し、極右政党「ドイツのための選択肢」（ＡｆＤ）が台頭している.

オーストリア、スイス、イタリア、オランダ、ベルギー、スウェーデンなどでポピュリズム政党の勢力拡大が止まらない. 欧州以外でも、南米・ブラジルでは、女性や黒人、性的少数者への相次ぐ差別発言で「ミニ・トランプ」と呼ばれるジャイル・ボルソナロ氏が大統領選に勝利した.

Translation: The expansion of the power of the populism party Will not stop all over the world Populism that dominates the world is the momentum to swallow “existing politics”. US President Donald Trump's “American First” (America First) is increasingly escalating the extreme behavior of immigrants and religions in the United States. With regard to diplomacy, the US-China trade war, the Iranian economic sanctions and the “voluntary coalition” that defends the Holmes Strait, the “Japan-US security abandonment remarks” and a request for a five-fold increase in US military resident costs are all you can do. (The 211th in this series).

In the UK, Prime Minister Boris Johnson was born (217th). Boris showed a strong stance about leaving the EU at the end of October regarding the European Union (EU) withdrawal. “Leaving without agreement” has become a reality.

In other European countries, in 2017, the leader of the Marlene Lupén of the far-right political party and the National Federation (former National Front) won the final vote in the French presidential election (162nd). In Germany, too, criticism has focused on the immigration policy of the Angela Merkel administration, and the far right party “Options for Germany” (AfD) has emerged.

】 The populism party has not been expanded in Austria, Switzerland, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium and Sweden. Outside of Europe, in South America and Brazil, Gyle Borsonaro, known as “Mini-Trump”, won the presidential election in a series of discriminatory statements against women, blacks, and sexual minorities.

page2 https://diamond.jp/articles/amp/211556?page=2&skin=amp&device=smartphone&display=b

ポピュリズムは、財政バラマキや排外主義、タカ派的な安全保障を訴えて台頭してきた. 重要なのは、ポピュリズムが選挙という民主的なプロセスを通して支持を拡大してきたことである. 「大衆」が、たぐいまれなる扇動の才覚があるポピュリストの台頭によって動員された結果、既存政党は選挙では、規制緩和や歳出の削減、福祉支出削減など、「国民に不人気だが必要」とみなす政策を訴えにくくなっている.

れいわ新選組は「諸派」にすぎず 日本新党や民主党ほどの勢いはない だが、日本ではポピュリズムは広がっていない. 中道左派だった民主党が台頭して政権を獲得した時期、自民党のさらに右側に「次世代の党」など右派ポピュリズム政党が出てきたことがあった. しかし、現在ではほぼ消滅した. 日本維新の会は、保守というよりも進歩的な改革を志向しており、極右とはいえない.

一方、左派ポピュリズム政党については、7月の参議院選挙で山本太郎代表率いる「れいわ新選組」が比例代表で200万票を集めて2議席を獲得した. 「消費税廃止」という分かりやすいメッセージが人気で、山本代表の街頭演説は常に数千人規模で聴衆が集まっている. 4月の結党以降に４億円以上の寄付金を集めたという話もある. 山本代表自身は当選できなかったが、次期衆院選で100人以上を擁立し、政権交代を狙うと宣言した.

ただし、れいわ新選組は、かつて日本新党や民主党が登場した時に比べて勢いがあるわけではない. 日本新党は1992年の参院選において比例代表で360万票を集め、細川護熙代表や小池百合子現東京都知事を含む4議席を獲得した. 96年の衆議院選挙で、結党直後の民主党は52議席を獲得している. 現時点では、れいわ新選組は「諸派」の1つにすぎず、「左派ポピュリスト政党が遂に日本に誕生した」と評価するのは時期尚早だ

Translation:

Populism has emerged, appealing for fiscal balamaki, extrapolism, and hawkish security. Importantly, populism has expanded its support through the democratic process of elections. As a result of the “popular” being mobilized by the emergence of populists with ingenious ingenuity, existing political parties regard it as “unpopular but necessary for the public” in the elections, including deregulation, reductions in spending, and welfare spending It becomes difficult to appeal the policy.

Reiwa Shinsengumi is just a "sect" Not as strong as the New Japan Party or the Democratic Party However, populism has not spread in Japan. When the Democratic Party, which was a central leftist, emerged and gained power, right-sided populism parties such as the “next generation party” came out on the right side of the Liberal Democratic Party. However, it has almost disappeared now. The Japan Restoration Society aims for progressive reform rather than maintenance, and is not far to the right.

On the other hand, as for the left-wing populism party, “Reiwa Shinsengumi” led by Taro Yamamoto in the July House of Councilors election won 2 seats by collecting 2 million votes as proportional representatives. The easy-to-understand message that “consumption tax is abolished” is popular, and Yamamoto ’s street address has always attracted thousands of people. Some have even raised more than 400 million yen since the April party. Although Yamamoto himself could not win, he declared more than 100 people in the next House of Representatives election, aiming for a change of government.

However, Reiwa Shinsengumi does not have a momentum compared to the time when the New Japan Party and the Democratic Party once appeared. The Japan New Party won 3.6 seats as a proportional representative in the 1992 Upper House election, and won four seats including Goho Hosokawa and Yuriko Koike, the current governor of Tokyo. In the 1996 House of Representatives election, the Democratic Party immediately after the party has won 52 seats. At present, Reiwa Shinsengumi is only one of the “sects” and it is too early to rate that “the left-wing populist party has finally been born in Japan”.

Page3 https://diamond.jp/articles/amp/211556?page=3&skin=amp&device=smartphone&display=b

自民党が存在しているから 日本でポピュリズム政党が台頭しない 日本で左派・右派のポピュリズム政党が台頭しないのは、自民党という世界最強の「キャッチ・オール・パーティ（包括政党）」が存在しているからだ. いわば何でもありの自民党が、ポピュリズムを吸収し、毒を抜いてしまうからである.

自民党に吸収されたポピュリストの代表格が、他ならぬ安倍晋三首相ではないだろうか. 首相就任前の安倍氏が、フェイスブック等で、憲法や安全保障、教育、歴史認識などについて保守的な言動を繰り返していたことを覚えている人は少なくないだろう. しかし、首相就任後は保守的な「やりたい政策」を後回しにして、国民が望んでいた経済政策を優先し、「アベノミクス」を推進した.

筆者は「アベノミクス」について、規模が異次元なだけで単なる「バラマキ」だと批判してきた（第163回）. 確かに、アベノミクスはポピュリズム的な政策としてスタートした. しかし、その後安倍政権が打ち出してきた政策は、「働き方改革」「女性の社会進出の推進」（第177回）や事実上の移民政策である「改正出入国管理法」（第197回）「教育無償化（第169回・P.3）など、社会民主主義的傾向が強いものばかりだ.

もちろん、安倍政権は「特定秘密保護法」（第72回）や「安全保障法制」（第115回）「テロ等準備罪（共謀罪）法」（第160回）と、安全保障政策を推進してきた. だが、それらは厳しさを増す国際環境の変化に対応したものである.

例えば、安保法制は自衛隊の行動をがんじがらめに縛っており、連立与党として自民党にさまざまな条件を付けたということで「公明党の勝利」だといわれたほどだ（第104回）. 公平にみて、軍事力や警察力の行使については極めて抑制的なものとなっている.

何より、安倍首相が「最もやりたい政策」だったはずの「憲法改正」は、「自衛隊」の名前を条文に明記するだけで、実質的にフルスペックの集団的自衛権を行使する「国防軍」の創設を諦める内容だ（第194回・P.4）. 首相の悲願は、自民党の中でもみくちゃになった挙句、「骨抜き」になってしまったのではないだろうか.

Translation: Because the Liberal Democratic Party exists Populism party does not rise in Japan The reason why the left and right populism parties do not rise in Japan is because there is the world's strongest “catch-all party” called the Liberal Democratic Party. This is because the Liberal Democratic Party absorbs populism and removes poison.

The representative of the populist absorbed by the Liberal Democratic Party is none other than Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. Many people remember that Mr. Abe before taking office as Prime Minister repeated conservative behaviors such as constitution, security, education and historical recognition on Facebook. However, after taking office as prime minister, he promoted “Abenomics” by putting a conservative “desired policy” behind the scenes, giving priority to the economic policy that the people wanted.

The author has criticized "Abenomics" as a mere "baramaki" because of its different dimensions (No. 163). Certainly, Abenomics started as a populist policy. However, the policies that the Abe administration has since launched include “work style reform”, “promotion of women's social advancement” (177th) and the de facto immigration policy “Revised Immigration Control Law” (197th) There are many social democratic trends such as free education (169th, p. 3).

Of course, the Abe administration has promoted security policies such as the "Specific Secret Protection Law" (72nd), the "Security Legal System" (115th), and the "Preparation Crimes for Terrorism (160th)" I have done it. But they are in response to the changing global environment.

”For example, the Security Legislation ties the SDF's actions into straitjackets, and it is said that it is a“ winning of the Komeito Party ”by putting various conditions on the LDP as a coalition ruling party (104th). In fairness, the use of military and police power is extremely restrained.

Above all, the “constitutional amendment” that Prime Minister Abe should have been the “most wanted policy” is that the “Defense Force”, which exercises a full-spec collective self-defense right by simply specifying the name of “Self Defense Force” in the article. It is a content that praises the founding (194th p.4). Perhaps the prime minister's lust has become a “bouncing”, a messed up in the Liberal Democratic Party.

Page4 https://diamond.jp/articles/amp/211556?page=4&skin=amp&device=smartphone&display=b

そして、安倍首相のみならず、保守派全体が自民党に飲み込まれてしまっているのではないだろうか. 例えば、自民党の強力な支持団体として「日本会議」の存在が取り沙汰されることがある.

日本会議が持つ政界への影響力の強さがメディアで報道されることは少なくない. 自民党議員の多くが、日本会議と関連がある「日本会議国会議員懇談会」と「神道政治連盟国会議員懇談会」のメンバーである（第179回）. だが、日本会議が主張する保守的な政策を自民党が実行することはほとんどない（第144回）. むしろ、日本会議が忌み嫌っているはずの社会民主主義的な政策が次々と実現されている. 例えば、「改正入管法」の審議の時に日本会議は完全に沈黙していた（第200回）.

要するに、自民党議員は保守系の支持者に対して、「日本は神の国」とか「八紘一宇」だとかリップサービスをしているだけだ. 実は、神様なんてまったく信じていない. 神道とは何か、この国の国体は何かなど理解しようという気もない. 票をもらうために、保守派に調子を合わせているだけだ.

はっきりいえば、保守派は自民党に裏切られているのだ. 「安倍首相に裏切られた」という声が聞こえてくることもある. 相当に不満があるだろう. しかし、議会制民主主義国の政党としては「世界最長の長期政権」の自民党から離れることはできないのだ.

野党の政策を自分のものにして 支持者を奪ってしまう自民党 「世界最強のキャッチ・オール・パーティ」自民党の強さは、左派ポピュリズムに対しても存分に発揮されている. 前述の通り、安倍政権は社会民主主義的な政策を実行してきたが、これは自民党の「伝統的な強さ」が発揮されたものだ（第169回・P.3）.

安倍政権は、19年に予定される2％の消費増税によって得た財源を教育無償化や子育て支援など、現役世代へのサービスの向上に充てるとしている. これは、17年10月の衆院選で打ち出された公約だったが、元々は前原誠司・民進党代表（当時）が主張してきた「All for All」とほぼ同じ内容だった. いわば、前原氏の政策をパクったものだということだ.

Translation:

And not only Prime Minister Abe, but the whole conservative group has been swallowed by the Liberal Democratic Party. For example, the existence of the “Japan Congress” as a strong support group of the LDP may be taken away.

“There are not a few media reports about the strong influence of the Japanese Congress on the political world. Many Liberal Democratic Party members are members of the “Parliamentary Assembly of the Japanese Parliament” and “Parliamentary Assembly of the Shinto Political Federation” related to the Japan Congress (179th). However, the Liberal Democratic Party rarely implements the conservative policies claimed by the Japan Congress (144th). Rather, social democratic policies that the Japanese Congress should have hated are being realized one after another. For example, at the time of deliberation of the “Revised Immigration Act”, the Japan Conference was completely silent (200th).

In short, Liberal Democratic lawmakers are only offering lip services to conservative supporters, such as “Japan is the kingdom of God” or “Hachimanichiyu”. Actually, I don't believe in God at all. I don't want to understand what Shinto is or what the national body of this country is. He just tunes to the conservatives to get the vote.

To be clear, conservatives are betrayed by the LDP. You may hear a voice saying, “Betrayed by Prime Minister Abe.” There will be considerable dissatisfaction. However, as a political party in a parliamentary democracy, it is impossible to move away from the Liberal Democratic Party, the “longest long-term government in the world”.

Make your opposition policy yours LDP robs supporters “The strength of the Liberal Democratic Party, the world ’s strongest catch-all party, has been fully demonstrated against the leftist populism. As mentioned earlier, the Abe administration has implemented social democratic policies, which are the ones that have demonstrated the “traditional strength” of the LDP (P169).

The Abe administration plans to use the 2% consumption tax increase scheduled for 1919 to improve services for active generations, such as free education and support for child-rearing. This was a promise made in the House of Representatives election in October 2017, but it was almost the same as “All for All” originally claimed by Seiji Maehara and the representative of the Democratic Party (at that time). In other words, it is a package of Mr. Maehara's policy.

Page5 https://diamond.jp/articles/amp/211556?page=5&skin=amp&device=smartphone&display=b

この、「野党の政策を自分のものにしてしまい、それに予算をつけて実行することで、野党の支持者を奪ってしまう」という自民党の強さは、「55年体制」以来の伝統的なものである. かつて1970年代に社会党など野党が「福祉」や「環境」を訴え始めた時、自民党はすかさずそれを奪い、予算を付けて現実の政策とした. そして、「環境」や「福祉」を支持する都市部の中道左派層の支持を奪い、野党を弱体化させることで長期政権を維持したのだ.

7月の参院選で、「野党共闘」は不振に終わった（第216回）. 「寄り合い所帯」への批判はいまだに根強かった上に、本来野党が主張すべき政策を全て安倍政権が予算を付けて実行してしまったからでもある.

その結果、安倍政権の政策を否定しようとしても矛盾が生じることが多くなったのだ. 例えば、「改正入管法」に対する野党の反対は、まるで「極右政党」のように見えた（第200回）. これでは、野党共闘の支持が広がるはずがない.

一方、2議席を獲得して注目された「れいわ新選組」である. 「消費税をゼロに」という主張は、自民党にパクられないところまで左に振り切っていた. だから、安倍批判票を得て一定の存在感を示すことができたのだ. 山本代表は極めてクレバーな人物だと思う. 自民党の強さを理解した上での行動なのだろう.

「れいわ新選組」は、次期衆院選までは勢力を拡大することが可能だ. 山本代表中心に「野党共闘」がまとまれば、自民党を慌てさせることができるかもしれない. ただし、問題はその後だ.

7月の参院選でれいわ新撰組から当選したのは、脳性まひの木村英子氏と、筋萎縮性側索硬化症（ＡＬＳ）患者の舩後靖彦氏だ. その結果、これまで遅々として進まなかった国会のバリアフリー化が急速に実現し始めた. 大変すばらしいことであり、山本代表の決断と行動力には最大の敬意を表したい.

しかし、今後自民党は、日本社会全体の「バリアフリー化」を徹底的に推進し始めると思うのだ. その他、山本代表が主張することについて、やれることは全て予算を付けて実現しようとするだろう. 山本代表を「骨抜き」にする. それが、自民党の恐ろしさだ.

最後に山本代表に残るのが「消費税」だ. だが、それは政界での存在感を増して政権が近づけば近づくほど、山本代表を悩ませるものになっていくだろう. これは、かつてさまざまな「新党」が散々にもがき苦しんだ、いばらの道である. クレバーな山本代表は、ポピュリズムを飲み込む自民党と戦うための「新しい戦略」をどう見いだすのだろうか.

Translation: The strength of the Liberal Democratic Party, which "takes the opposition's policy and owns it and runs it with a budget, deprives the opposition's supporters." Is. In the 1970s, when opposition parties such as the Socialist Party started appealing for "welfare" and "environment", the Liberal Democratic Party quickly took it away and put a budget into an actual policy. And, the long-term administration was maintained by depriving the support of the middle left group in the city that supports "environment" and "welfare" and weakening the opposition party.

”The opposition party struggle ended in poor performance in the upper house election in July (216th). This is because criticism of the “intimate family” still persisted, and the Abe administration has implemented all the policies that the opposition party should insist on with a budget.

As a result, contradictions often occurred when trying to deny the policy of the Abe administration. For example, opposition opposition to the “Revised Immigration Control Act” looked like a “far right party” (200th). With this, support for opposition party fighting cannot be expanded.

On the other hand, it was the “Reiwa Shinsengumi”, which attracted attention with 2 seats. The claim that “consumption tax is zero” has been left to the left to the point where the LDP is not happy. Therefore, I was able to obtain a certain presence by obtaining Abe's criticism vote. I think Yamamoto is a very clever person. It must be an action after understanding the strength of the LDP.

“Reei Shinsengumi” can expand its power until the next House of Representatives election. If the “opposition party fight” is gathered around Yamamoto, the Liberal Democratic Party may be rushed. But the problem is later.

In July, Mr. Eiko Kimura, a brain paralysis, and Mr. Yasuhiko Sugago, a patient with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), were selected from Rei Shinsengumi in the July election. As a result, the National Assembly, which had not progressed slowly until now, began to rapidly become barrier-free. This is great and I would like to express my greatest respect for Yamamoto's decision and ability.

However, I think that the LDP will begin to thoroughly promote “barrier-free” for the entire Japanese society. In addition, everything that can be done about Yamamoto's allegations will be realized with a budget. Make Yamamoto representative “bouncing”. That is the fear of the LDP.

Finally, Yamamoto ’s representative is “consumption tax”. However, it will become more annoying to Yamamoto as the government gets closer and closer to the government. This is a thorny path where various “new parties” once struggled. How does Clever ’s representative Yamamoto find a “new strategy” to fight the LDP that swallows populism? Page6

https://diamond.jp/articles/amp/211556?page=6&skin=amp&device=smartphone&display=b

確固たる思想を持たないことが 自民党の強さを生んでいる 「世界最強のキャッチ・オール・パーティ」自民党の強さとは、言い換えれば確固たる思想を持たないことかもしれない. だから、状況の変化に応じて、右派にでも左派にでも自由に姿を変えて、野党の政策を奪って弱体化させる. ポピュリズムが勢力を拡大しようとしても、柔軟に対応して飲み込んでしまうのだ. また、自民党が本当に支持層としているのは、声の大きな左派や右派ではない. 彼らを相手にしているようにみせて、実は票をもらうだけで相手にしていない. そして、日本社会の中で最も層が厚い、中道層の「サイレントマジョリティ」の支持を得るように工夫している（第136回）.

自民党というのは、伝統的な古い政党である. しかし筆者は、自民党はこれからの時代の議会制民主主義国における「新しい政党」のモデルとなるのではないかと考えている. 具体的には、英国の保守党と労働党、ドイツのキリスト教民主同盟（ＣＤＵ）と社会民主党（ＳＰＤ）など、二大政党は合併して自民党のような「キャッチ・オール・パーティ」となり、中道層のサイレント・マジョリティの支持を集中的に獲得することで、ポピュリズムの台頭を防ぐのではないかという見立てだ.

二大政党の「大連立」を何度も経験したドイツならば、合併はリアリティーがある. しかし、思想・イデオロギー的なこだわりを捨てることができず、左派・右派の二大政党の合併はどうしてもできないという国もあるだろう.

例えば、英国は「ＥＵ離脱」に揺れながら二大政党が背を向け合ったままで、「ＥＵ離脱党」という新たなポピュリスト政党が台頭している. だが、一方で中道の「自由民主党」が勢力を復活させているのだ.

また、フランスのエマニュエル・マクロン大統領も、新しい中道政党を立ち上げて与党の座を占めている. 中道勢力が新たに台頭して二大政党に取って代わることもいいかもしれない（第162回）.

いずれにせよ、ポピュリズムの広がりに対抗する政党は、中道のサイレント・マジョリティを支持層の核にして、左派・右派のイデオロギーや思想にこだわりを持たず、国民のニーズを柔軟に取り入れる「キャッチ・オール・パーティ」だ. そのモデルは、日本の自民党ではないだろうか.

Translation: Not having a solid idea Born the strength of the LDP “The strongest catch-all-party in the world” might be that the LDP's strength is, in other words, not having a solid idea. So, according to changes in the situation, change freely to the right or left, take away the opposition policy and weaken it. Even if populism tries to expand its power, it will swallow flexibly. Also, what the Liberal Democratic Party really supports is not the left or right-speaking voices. It looks like they're dealing with them. Actually, they just get votes and they aren't. And, it is devised to gain the support of the “mute majority” of the Nakamichi layer, the thickest layer in Japanese society (136th).

The Liberal Democratic Party is a traditional old political party. However, the author believes that the Liberal Democratic Party may be a model for a “new political party” in a parliamentary democracy in the coming era. Specifically, the two major parties, such as the British Conservative Party and Labor Party, the German Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and the Social Democratic Party (SPD), merged into a “Catch All Party” like the Liberal Democratic Party. It is assumed that the rise of populism may be prevented by intensively acquiring the support of the road's silent majority.

If Germany has experienced the “big coalition” of the two major parties many times, the merger is a reality. However, there may be countries where ideological and ideological commitment cannot be abandoned, and the merger of the two left and right parties is unavoidable.

For example, in the UK, a new populist party called the “EU detachment party” has emerged, with the two major parties turning their backs while swinging toward the “EU detachment”. On the other hand, the “Liberal Democratic Party” in the middle is reviving the power.

In addition, French President Emmanuel Macron has established a new middle-ranking political party and occupies the ruling party. It may be a good idea for the medium power to rise and replace the two major parties (162nd).

In any case, the political party that opposes the spread of populism uses the middle-class silent majority as the core of its support layer, and does not stick to the left and right ideologies and thoughts, and flexibly incorporates the needs of the people. "All party". Isn't the model the Japanese LDP?

Page7 https://diamond.jp/articles/amp/211556?page=7&skin=amp&device=smartphone&display=b

今後世界のモデルとなるのは 日本の自民党と中国共産党 筆者は、今後の世界は2つの政党がモデルとなるのではないかと考える. 1つは、ここまで論じた通り、議会制民主主義国の政党モデルとしての日本の自民党だ. そして、もう1つは、権威主義・全体主義の国々の政党モデルとして、中国共産党を挙げたい.

中国は、米国の覇権を脅かすほどの急激な経済成長と軍事力拡大を続けてきた（第213回）. そして、中国共産党の一党支配という権威主義的な政治体制が民主主義より優位性があると自信を深めている. それは、「自由民主主義は時代遅れになった」と言い放ったロシアのウラジーミル・プーチン大統領のみならず、アジアやアフリカ、南米に存在する権威主義的・全体主義的な政治体制の国家から、「手本」とされ、支持されている.

日本の自民党は1955年以降、わずか4年間を除いて政権の座を占めてきた. 中国共産党は1949年の中華人民共和国の成立以来、ずっと権力を掌握してきた. 長期政権の長さという点でも、ほぼ互角といえる.

そして、全国津々浦々にネットワークを張り巡らせることで権力を維持してきた政党という点でも共通している. しかし、その方向性は真逆である. 自民党は、全国津々浦々に、利益を徹底的に分配することで選挙での票を獲得するシステムだ.

一方、中国共産党は、情報や利益を中央が徹底的に吸い上げることで権力を維持するシステムだ. 中国では、外国のインターネットサービスであるグーグルやフェイスブック等が利用できない情報統制が行われているのはよく知られている. 加えて、個人情報については共産党や公安警察が所管する「档案（とうあん）」という個人情報書類に記載され、国民の移転・転職ごとに移転先の党機関に送られる体制となっている. また、インターネット上でのネット決済などビジネス活動を通じて、個人情報を国家が管理する法律が制定されている. さらにいえば、国営や民間に関わらず企業は、共産党の情報統制や収集に協力する義務があるのだ.

Translation: The world model will be Japan's LDP and Communist Party of China The author thinks that the future world will be modeled on two political parties. The first is the Liberal Democratic Party of Japan as a political party model in a parliamentary democracy, as discussed above. The other is the Communist Party of China as a political party model for authoritarian and totalitarian countries.

China has continued rapid economic growth and military expansion that threaten US hegemony (213rd). He is confident that the authoritarian political system of the Communist Party's one-party rule is superior to democracy. It is not only from Russian President Vladimir Putin who said that "Liberal democracy has become obsolete", but also from states of authoritarian and totalitarian political systems in Asia, Africa and South America. ”And is supported.

The Japanese Liberal Democratic Party has been in power since 1955 except for just four years. Since the establishment of the People's Republic of China in 1949, the Chinese Communist Party has held power. It can be said that the length of the long-term administration is almost equal.

And it is also common in terms of political parties that have maintained their power by spreading networks throughout the country. However, the direction is the opposite. The Liberal Democratic Party is a system that wins votes in elections by thoroughly distributing profits throughout the country.

On the other hand, the Chinese Communist Party is a system that maintains power by centrally sucking up information and profits. In China, it is well known that information control is not available for foreign Internet services such as Google and Facebook. In addition, personal information is described in a personal information document called “Toan”, which is under the jurisdiction of the Communist Party and the Public Security Police, and sent to the party organization where the relocation is made. In addition, a law has been enacted in which the State manages personal information through business activities such as online payment on the Internet. Furthermore, regardless of whether it is state-run or private, companies are obliged to cooperate with Communist Party information control and collection.

Page8 https://diamond.jp/articles/amp/211556?page=8&skin=amp&device=smartphone&display=b

中国共産党はかつて、将来の民主化・普通選挙の導入は避けられないものとして、日本の自民党を徹底的に研究していた時期があるという. しかし、現在ではその気は全くない.

共産党がトップダウンで素早く意思決定する方が、議論ばかりを続ける自由民主主義より、現代に適した体制だと信じて疑わなくなっている.

本連載の著者、上久保誠人氏の単著本が発売されました. 『逆説の地政学：「常識」と「非常識」が逆転した国際政治を英国が真ん中の世界地図で読み解く』（晃洋書房） もちろん、筆者は中長期的な自由民主主義の優位性を信じている（第198回）. 中国共産党は間違うことがないという「無謬性」を前提とした権威主義的統治は、うまくいかなくなると嘘を重ねて権威を守ることになる. 嘘が国民に明らかになるときには、国家は破滅的な状況に陥る.

それに対して自由民主主義では、指導者は「間違える」ものだと考える. 国民は自由に指導者の間違いを知ることができ、選挙で交代させることができる. つまり、間違いを認め、それをやり直すことができる. それが、自由民主主義にあって他の政治体制にはない最大のメリットだ.

この国では何だかんだいって、24時間365日、安倍首相のことをボロカスに批判する自由がある. それは、指導者が「クマのプーさんに似ている」と言われて激怒し、フィギュアスケートのテレビ中継で羽生結弦選手に投げられるプーさんの人形を映さないように画面が真っ白になる国よりは、絶対に健全な社会だと思う.

いずれにせよ、日本の自民党と中国共産党が政権の座についてから70年くらい経った. これまで、アジアは欧米のモデルを中途半端に模倣ばかりしていた（第210回）. しかし、これからは２つの競合する政党モデルが、アジアから登場する時代が来るのかもしれない.

（立命館大学政策科学部教授　上久保誠人）

Translation : The Chinese Communist Party once said that there was a period of thorough research on Japan's Liberal Democratic Party, assuming that the introduction of future democratization and general elections is inevitable. But now I don't feel like that.

It is no doubt that the Communist Party's top-down quick decision-making is more suitable for the present day than liberal democracy, which continues discussions.

A single book by Mr. Seito Kamikubo, the author of this series, has been released. Paradox's geopolitics: Britain interprets international politics in which "common sense" and "insense" are reversed on the world map in the middle "(Yoyo Shobo) Of course, the author believes in the superiority of medium- to long-term free democracy (198th). The authoritarian rule based on the premise of “innocence” that the Chinese Communist Party will not make a mistake will protect the authority by repeating lies if it fails.  When the lies are revealed to the people, the nation falls into a catastrophic situation.

On the other hand, in liberal democracy, the leader thinks that it is “wrong”. Citizens are free to know the mistakes of the leaders and can be replaced in elections. In other words, you can accept mistakes and start over. That is the biggest merit of liberal democracy and no other political system.

In this country, there is freedom to criticize Borocus about Prime Minister Abe 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. It is a country where the screen turns white so that the leader will not be reflected in the figure skating TV broadcast of Pooh who is thrown to Yuzuru Hanyu by being told that the leader is `` like a bear Pooh '' I think that it is an absolutely healthy society.

In any case, about 70 years have passed since the Japanese Liberal Democratic Party and the Chinese Communist Party were in power. Until now, Asia has been imitating Western models halfway (210th). However, from now on, two competing party models may emerge from Asia.

(Ritsumeikan University School of Policy Science Professor Masato Kamikubo)

This is the translation of the article written in Japanese. Thank you for reading to the end. If you find any mistakes or have any comments or suggestions, please reply here. Thanking you in advance.

Postscript:

The title of the article:

確固たる思想がない「自民党モデル」がポピュリズム台頭を防ぐ理由 Translation:The reason why the “Liberal Democratic Party Model” without a solid idea prevents the rise of populism

Author information:

https://diamond.jp/ud/authors/58abbd687765611bd0390000

上久保誠人 立命館大学政策科学部教授 1968年愛媛県生まれ. 早稲田大学第一文学部卒業後、伊藤忠商事勤務を経て、英国ウォーリック大学大学院政治・国際学研究科博士課程修了. Ph.D（政治学・国際学、ウォーリック大学）. 主な業績は、『逆説の地政学』（晃洋書房）. Translation: Seito Kamikubo Professor, Ritsumeikan University Born in Ehime Prefecture in 1968. After graduating from Waseda University's First Literature Department, worked at ITOCHU Corporation and completed the doctoral course at the Graduate School of Political Science and International Studies, University of Warwick, UK. Ph.D (Political Science / International Studies, University of Warwick). His main achievement is "Geopolitics of Paradox" (Sakai Shobo).

Thank you for reading.

, Thank you for your translation. I think some of your sources might be very very reliable. However I can't ensure your revision by my self. (Personally I think your revision can be very reliable.) I will invite other user to participate on think discussion. If other users agree on your revision your revision will be immediately installed. Please wait for a moment until other users participate this article. Thank you. Jeff6045 00:03, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much for reading.

Correcting proper nouns in translation:

(Error) “Japan Congress” → (Correct) “Japan Conference” (Nippon Kaigi)

(Error) “the Shinto Political Federation” → (Correct) “Shinto Association of Spiritual Leadership”

I'm sorry to find a mistranslation later.


 * I couldn't read it all because it was long. (Someone asked to take part in this talk.) It is my belief that the LDP's welfare policy cannot be seen as a universal 'social democracy' because it has been strictly combined with conservative social and cultural policies.--삭은사과 (talk) 07:27, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, I think it is better to refer to Western media articles than to Japanese media articles. Because Japan may not be neutral because LDP has dominated society for a long time.--삭은사과 (talk) 07:39, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I think that Liberal Democratic Party itself is not social democracy but has it as one of the factions.

This page (page3) mainly explains the elements of the LDP's social democracy:

Page3 https://diamond.jp/articles/amp/211556?page=3&skin=amp&device=smartphone&display=b

Especially this part:

筆者は「アベノミクス」について、規模が異次元なだけで単なる「バラマキ」だと批判してきた（第163回）. 確かに、アベノミクスはポピュリズム的な政策としてスタートした. しかし、その後安倍政権が打ち出してきた政策は、「働き方改革」「女性の社会進出の推進」（第177回）や事実上の移民政策である「改正出入国管理法」（第197回）「教育無償化（第169回・P.3）など、社会民主主義的傾向が強いものばかりだ.

Translation: The author has criticized "Abenomics" as a mere "baramaki" because of its different dimensions (No. 163). Certainly, Abenomics started as a populist policy. However, the policies that the Abe administration has since launched include “work style reform”, “promotion of women's social advancement” (177th) and the de facto immigration policy “Revised Immigration Control Law” (197th) There are many social democratic trends such as free education (169th, p. 3). (End of quote )

Japan is a democratic country with free speech and this writer has also written articles critical of the administration.

So this writer is not a member of the Liberal Democratic Party but a private university professor who has studied abroad, in my opinion, fairness and reliability are sufficient.

If you have any comments or suggestions, please reply here. Thanking you in advance.

Thank you for reading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Littlelessleast (talk • contribs) 08:45, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Postscript: A series of articles from a foreign researcher

(1st page) Gauging Japan’s ‘Proactive Contributions to Peace’ Jeffrey W. Hornung October 27, 2015

https://spfusa.org/research/gauging-japans-proactive-contributions-to-peace/

(2nd page) Boosting Japan’s Proactive Contributions to Peace Jeffrey W. Hornung October 27, 2015

https://spfusa.org/research/boosting-japans-proactive-contributions-to-peace/

Thank you for reading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Littlelessleast (talk • contribs) 13:05, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

There is no evidence that the current LDP advocates conservative liberalism.
If you look at the sources of the ideas in the introduction section of the LDP document, they are from the 2010s, and some are from the 2000s.

The source, however, that the LDP described as conservative liberal, was in 1976. As of 2010, there are no sources proving that the party is conservative liberal. The current LDP is clearly conservative and hardly a conservative liberal party. That is why I think the introduction of the LDP document should be removed from the conservative liberal section or at least put the phrase "historic"--삭은사과 (talk) 02:42, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Assent to 삭은사과's input. The source is somewhat outdated. Jeff6045 let's talk! 03:48, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Related to the "Factions" Ideological Descriptions of LDPs in infobox
I object to adding "Liberal conservatism" and "Conservative liberalism" to Factions. Listing them all up makes them look messy and less readable. Moreover, since the two ideologies are derived from liberalism, there is no problem with just one expression of liberalism. In addition, 'Ultra-nationalism' must be clearly stated in "Factions". Because reliable sources clearly indicate that the LDP itself is pursuing a project based on "Ultra-nationalism". Originally not "Factions" but the ideology of the LDP itself deserves to be described.--삭은사과 (talk) 07:07, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe that the LDP itself should be clearly stated in infobox as 'Ultra-nationalism' instead of being basically limited to certain factions of the LDP. However, it reserved its position that it should only be described in "Factions" as previously because such descriptions could clearly lead to editorial disputes. And no party that advocates 'Ultra-nationalism' is classified as 'Centre-right'.--삭은사과 (talk) 07:12, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

If "liberal conservativism" and "conservative liberalism" derived from liberalism are not written in the infobox, I think that "ultranationalism" and "social conservativism" should be the same. Littlelessleast (talk) 07:13, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * If I have to describe it so far, I rather believe that "Japanese nationalism" should be replaced by "Ultranationalism" or "Japanese ultranationalism."--삭은사과 (talk) 07:17, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

However, LDP is also widely described as center-right and has social democratic and pacifist factions. Please see the section in talk page. Littlelessleast (talk) 07:16, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Social democracy is hard to see from the current position of the LDP. It is also hard to call it social democracy if it takes a politically extreme nationalist stance while taking a position close to social democracy economically. Europe's far-right populist parties also take a stance closer to social democracy economically, but it is not social democracy because it is based on Welfare chauvinism.--삭은사과 (talk) 07:20, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

If you emphasize only the far right part of the party's many factions and party ratings, you violate the NPOV. Littlelessleast (talk) 07:18, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * About 40 percent of Japanese lawmakers belong to Nippon Kaigi, and more than half of them are members of the LDP. It is usually a violation of NPOV to label a party closely linked to a Ultra-nationalist group as 'Centre-right'.--삭은사과 (talk) 07:22, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Let's take another example. The Bharatiya Janata Party was described as a center-right in the Washington Post. But Wikipedia never calls the Bharatiya Janata Party a center-right. because there are not a few articles from Western press that describe the far-right tendency of the BJP. Even Nippon Kaigi has a stronger Ultra-nationalism tendency than Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh. There is no reason why LDP should be labeled Centre-right.--삭은사과 (talk) 08:07, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

In that case, I think that all four should be described as "faction" of infobox. Littlelessleast (talk) 07:25, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't agree with that opinion. The LDP itself has never been described as a Social democracy. But the LDP itself has been described as Ultranationalism.--삭은사과 (talk) 07:29, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It should also be remembered that, as described above, the social democratic economic policies of the far-right of Europe are not called 'Social democracy'. Far-right politicians are often more welfare-friendly than Liberals because of their strong Nationalistic nature.--삭은사과 (talk) 07:31, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

I think the status of the LDP document is not very satisfactory now and it is appropriate to remove 'Centre-right' from Political position and describe 'Ultranationalism' as the party's main ideology. But it seems that you disagree. Then this seems to be the only agreement that we can agree on.# --삭은사과 (talk) 07:28, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

The impact of the Japan Conference on the LDP is limited. This is an analysis by a university professor. http://www.iisr.jp/P101-P125.pdf (especially 3. 日本会議の実態と実力 part) Littlelessleast (talk) 07:37, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Apart from being unreliable because it is a Japanese thesis, more than half of the politicians who belong to an apparent far-right group are involved. Such a party is generally not referred to as 'Centre-right'. Japan's LDP is not the only exception.--삭은사과 (talk) 07:39, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

It is a prejudice that it is not reliable because it is a Japanese paper. The author is not a party to the LDP. In that case, I think it is better to list all “ultranationalism”, “social conservativism”, “liberal conservativism” and “conservative liberalism” as factions. There are also many moderates within the party today. Littlelessleast (talk) 07:46, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The view that there are many moderates within the party itself is not NPOV-like. Currently, LDP politicians are mostly members of far-right organizations. This is an undeniable fact. Therefore, I clearly disagree with your opinion. Unless the current LDP document is to be maintained, the LDP itself should be clearly labeled as 'Ultra-nationalism' and the LDP itself as 'Right-wing to far-right' should be removed.--삭은사과 (talk) 07:55, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

I would advocate for moving Japanese neoconservatism to factions as well. The article page describes it as a factional ideology that some, but not all, LDP politicians are associated with.--Jay942942 (talk) 16:53, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Political position
While Ideology supports maintaining the status quo, I think there should be some change in the Political position. I propose to abbreviate the LDP's infobox's Political position item to a simple 'Right-wing' like Bharatiya Janata Party. More than half of the current major members of the LDP belong to far-right groups, and as long as the LDP is even described as Ultra-nationalism, Centre-right should no longer be maintained in infobox.--삭은사과 (talk) 08:13, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Of course, if you remove "Centre-right" from Infobox, you will also remove "with far-right factions". Of course, if "Centre-right" is not removed, "with far-right factions" should also be maintained.--삭은사과 (talk) 08:16, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * However, it would be good to describe it as " Right-wing" or " Right-wing Big-tent "with the coexistence of far-right nationalists and liberals within the LDP."--삭은사과 (talk) 08:21, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Does it mean that both the center right and far right are eliminated? Littlelessleast (talk) 08:20, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, let's just leave the "Right-wing" like the BJP document! The current LDP cannot be seen as Centre-right, but it is too large a major party to see all LDP members as Far-right.--삭은사과 (talk) 08:23, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

I agree. “right-wing” is a concept both including center right and far right. Littlelessleast (talk) 08:39, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for agreeing. I just corrected it!--삭은사과 (talk) 08:49, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Right-wing seems like a good consensus for a party that represents a big tent of the right. We recently did something similar on Talk:Law and Justice, as there were different sources describing the party as centre-right, right-wing and far-right.--Jay942942 (talk) 13:14, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

I would like to add "liberal conservatism" and "conservative liberalism" to the faction of the infobox, or if the infobox becomes messy, move all the factions in the main text. What do you think about it? Littlelessleast (talk) 09:13, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm against it. This is because the party is now more mainstream than the hard-line conservatives.--삭은사과 (talk) 09:27, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

If so, why not list it as the source of liberalism? Littlelessleast (talk) 09:42, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The reason for not removing "liberalism" from Infobox is that it remains symbolic because there are a few moderate politicians in the LDP. However, moderates are obviously very minority, so there is no need to add "liberal conservatism" or "conservative liberalism." That's because it's quite possible to infer.--삭은사과 (talk) 10:18, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Why does the party name not match with ideology?
The article starts like a joke: "The Liberal Democratic Party of Japan is a conservative party." The article would be better if it could explain the contradiction of the name (liberal) with the ideology (conservatism). Is it just a fusion of the name of it's predecessors or is liberal democracy perceived as conservatism in Japan or a simple misnomer? --Randam (talk) 08:34, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * In fact, it is very common for a political party to not match its name and actual tendency. (ex. Liberal Democratic Party of Russia, Social Democratic Party (Portugal), Social Liberal Party (Brazil), etc) It seems that no further explanation is needed.--삭은사과 (talk) 11:32, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The LDP was founded in 1955. The reason why the LDP puts "liberalism" in its name probably means liberalism as a contrast to the "socialism" pursued by the Japan Socialist Party at the time.--삭은사과 (talk) 11:35, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Outside of the US, "liberal" general means promoting economic liberalism such as the Liberal Party (Australia). So it's not that unusual even by international standards This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 17:59, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

The term Liberal refers to classical liberalism, and a direct opposition to Communism and Socialism. When the Party was founded, in 1955, the modern day ideologies of liberalism and progressive did not exist, and wouldn't exist for atleast 10 years in the West, a couple of decades in Japan. Also note that in Japan there is no Party which has Liberal in its name, so the name Liberal Democratic Party is not in contrast with any other political party in Japan. Azaan Habib 19:06, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Centrist factions
Even though the party is supported by far-right groups such as Nippon Kaigi, the whole party is often described as a centre-right because there are also many centrists within the party. I understand that there are a certain number of far-right factions within the party, but it should not be ignored there are valid sources that also refer to the existence of the centrists. Even though left-leaning Asahi Shimbun, critical of the LDP also mention that there are many liberals such as Democratic Party (Japan, 2016) in LDP. Littlelessleast (talk) 01:32, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It should be taken into account that the Japanese media are controlled to some extent by the Japanese government.(Of course, there is a debate here about whether Japan really controls the media.) India's BJP is also referred to by many Western media as Centre-right, but only "Right-wing" is written in the infobox of the BJP document with Wikipedia. This is because, in practice, the BJP shows a strong conservative color based on nationalism, unlike the usual centre-right. Also, check the Talk in the BJP document, but the Indian press was biased and prevented from quoting. India's center-left media also call the BJP center-right. I object to your attempt to overturn the agreement made just a few days ago.--삭은사과 (talk) 03:14, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Japan's current prime minister is Shinzo Abe, a ultra-nationalist, and a moderate in the LDP is basically not free from nationalism. Political relativism of each country should be considered when presenting political positions, but it should also be taken into account what real ideology the party advocates. Nationalism, usually a form similar to LDP in the First World, is not inherently different from that of far-right parties in many Western European countries or Canada. As long as the LDP is linked to the far right group Nippon Kaigi, it should not be labeled as "Centre-right" or simply "Big Tent." The LDP is practically right-winged and has many aspects that are hard to say to take a centre-right political stance.--삭은사과 (talk) 03:18, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * ..... Are we going to change the the party's position everytime they elect a new leader? The party is now headed by Kishida, a center-left politician. The detail could be explained in footnotes but I think a more appropriate description for LDP party position now is either Centrist or big tent, especially with the development of political landscape from 2020-2022 in Japan in mind. C933103 (talk) 05:32, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

BJP is not referred to as centrist, but the some factions of LDP is sometimes referred to as centrist. Littlelessleast (talk) 03:19, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The BJP also has a centrist faction within the party. Under such logic, BJP, unlike LDP, is rarely referred to as 'ultra-nationalism'.--삭은사과 (talk) 03:21, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Among the first world developed countries, which usually led imperialism, nationalism is rarely classified as a center-right. Dutch nationalism in the Netherlands, American nationalism in U.S., French nationalism in the France, British nationalism in Britain, German nationalism in Germany and Italian nationalism in Italy are usually classified as far-right. The same goes for Japanese nationalism in the direction pursued by the LDP. Japanese nationalism is nationalism based on hegemonism, patriarchal and traditional conservatism, not defiant nationalism.--삭은사과 (talk) 03:41, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Of course I think it's right to write down the political particles of the LDP as 'Right-wing to far-right,' but as you say, there are moderates within the Party. That's why it's simply written as "Right-wing". Is there a problem?--삭은사과 (talk) 03:45, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

There are some factions within the Liberal Democratic Party that are nationalist but some are not, and it can be said that it extends from the center to far-right as a whole, so it should be called center-righ to right-wing. Littlelessleast (talk) 04:03, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I disagree with that view at all. More than half of the LDP members belong to Nippon Kaigi. Fifteen of the 20 cabinet members of the fourth Shinzo Abe cabinet belong to Nippon Kaigi. Even LDP members who are not members of the Nippon Kaigi often show a tendency to nationalism. Can the centrist within the party be as mainstream as the far right?--삭은사과 (talk) 04:37, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Centrist factions should not be hidden, as there are reliable sources that describe it as a centrist. (Far-right factions should not be hidden as well.) Political position is controversial and cannot be clearly determined, so it is not a problem to describe it as big-tent and explain it in the annotation in detail. Littlelessleast (talk) 04:20, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * So I mean "far-right" is overwhelmingly more than "Centrist" in the LDP. Members of the LDP, not the extreme right, also tend to Japanese nationalism. This is at least hard to call center-right.--삭은사과 (talk) 04:37, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

The Japan Congress and the LDP are separate organizations and should be fairly described as long as there are sources that evaluate the LDP as a center right or center. Since there are articles that evaluate Centrist, far right, both should be published. Editors' subjectivity must be eliminated.

Littlelessleast (talk) 04:51, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * There are clearly fewer articles reporting the party's centrist faction than those reporting the party's far-right faction. It is not fair to call the far right group and the LDP a separate organization when the mainstream is affiliated with the far right group.--삭은사과 (talk) 05:22, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Readers can check the number of sources. If there are more "far-right" sources than "centrist" sources, the reader can guess what you mean. However, there are also documents described "centrist", so it should be posted together. Littlelessleast (talk) 05:51, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * If so, the LDP's political position will remain "Right-wing", but it would be better to state that there are centrist factions within the LDP in the "a" footnote. Instead, it should be stated that the centrist faction is clearly non-mainstream within the LDP. In other words, it should be described as a "minor centrist faction" within the LDP.--삭은사과 (talk) 08:16, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I have polished the LDP document myself. This seems to be the maximum compromise. # --삭은사과 (talk) 08:50, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

The explanation of the Japan conference is also given in the text, and it seems to be miscellaneous if it is also written in the infobox. Littlelessleast (talk) 08:55, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Readers who do not explore LDP documents deeply think it is better to write them down because they may not even check 'Nippon Kaigi' documents.--삭은사과 (talk) 08:57, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

However, I think you should avoid repeating the same contents in the infobox. Since the term "ultranationalist" appears in the explanation of the Japan conference, it should be limited to either one because it overlaps with the factions in ideology in that case. Even then, the reader can guess. Littlelessleast (talk) 09:08, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Then, we can guess which one is the most, far-right or centrist, based on the number of sources, but the editors are not experts and should not be assertively written. Littlelessleast (talk) 09:13, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * "a" I will only erase what the footnote calls Nippon Kaigi "ultra-nationalism." This is my best agreement.--삭은사과 (talk) 09:25, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

The Party is definitely Big Tent in Japan, almost like the United Russia Party. As you said, most of its members belong to other organisations, including Shinzo Abe, and the party also controls the entire Japanese Government, pretty sure the NHK too. It is not far-right due to the fact that it is Big Tent, and not all of the members are ultra-nationalists, although most are socially conservative, which doesn't mean far-right. Azaan Habib 19:12, 13 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Within Japan, the LDP is definitely not considered to be 'right-wing' in any real sense. It has a variety of factions, pro-Chinese, pro-American, Japanese nationalist, pro-business, &c. In fact, the real Japanese right-wing, the likes of Sakurai Makoto, &c., despise it. The LDP is a big tent party of the establishment. The idea that it is a populist party of any kind, or 'ultranationalist', must be a joke. RGloucester  — ☎ 19:53, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Party Color
I just wanted to point out that the LDP appears to be re-branding lately to using red as its color instead of green (see official Japanese LDP website　and social media accounts) Japanese media has also been associating the LDP with the color red over the past few years as well. I'm not necessarily saying we should change the color right this second, but it's something worth considering. It would be an issue since the JCP uses red also though. Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 07:00, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * @ noted, i agree though. for example on this pamphlet (Liberal Democratic Party Reiwa 3rd Year Policy Pamphlet), the "自民党" Logo is red in colour. but on this case, i think it is better to keep it green. Atleast for now. since the logo on the party's website hasn't changed color, and still green overall. Keppa  13:11, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

i really think that the position is wrong
Conversatism Is Center-Right and this party is Mostly Conservative AstrowszechwiatWKG (talk) 13:34, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Political position source
Per analysis at Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Japan, many of the references currently included for LDP's political position are not appropriate. I will proceed to remove them from being the source of political position of the LDP. C933103 (talk) 05:29, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 21 July 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 06:04, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Liberal Democratic Party (Japan) → Liberal Democratic Party – I argue that this is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Liberal Democratic Party". Taking a look at the two usual criteria:

For usage: Out of all the articles called "Liberal Democratic Party", this article gets the bulk of the views (i.e. more than two-thirds.) Unfortunately there's too many to fit into one pageviews query, so here's |Liberal_Democratic_Party_(Angola)|Liberal_Democratic_Party_(Australia)|Liberal_Democratic_Party_(Bangladesh)|Liberal_Democratic_Party_(Bosnia_and_Herzegovina)|Liberal_Democratic_Party_(France)|Liberal_Democratic_Party_(Iceland)|Liberal_Democratic_Party_(Malaysia)|Liberal_Democratic_Party_(Netherlands)|Liberal_Democratic_Party_(North_Macedonia) two |Liberal_Democratic_Party_(Portugal)|Liberal_Democratic_Party_(Serbia)|Liberal_Democratic_Party_(Sudan)|Liberal_Democratic_Party_(Turkey) links.

For long-term significance: Of the other articles called Liberal Democratic Party ([country]), all are minor parties, and most never won any parliamentary seats. Contrast that with this article, which is about a party that has governed Japan for the vast majority of the last 70 years. YttriumShrew (talk) 20:32, 21 July 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 01:49, 29 July 2022 (UTC)


 *  Move. Neutral All the other LDPs are minor while this is the leading party of Japan, also redirects like President of the Liberal Democratic Party already link here. Though this is the LDP with the most views, WikiNav shows that most of the people who go to the list that LDP currently redirects to go to Liberal Democrats (UK). CLYDE  FRANKLIN  21:41, 23 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose. With all these? Hardly. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:11, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, mildly. I would think that persons looking for the Japanese one would consider it normal, not a bother, to find it at "Liberal Democratic Party (Japan).  And it would be somewhat surprising, perhaps mildly annoying, to most readers looking for any of the other ones, to be taken to the article about the Japanese one first, when they would think they'd get to a disambiguation page.  And it seems unnecessary to me to force it upon them, to educate them that the Japanese one is bigger than all the others (i gather), by making them then contemplate how the disambiguation page would be set up to highlight the Japanese one, when they just want to get to some other one.  And, even if it were an unusual/unexpected fact which would somehow be good to educate people about, educating them by making them encounter a disambiguation page which highlights the Japanese one first, is not a great method of communication.  Since the disambiguation page is not going to state any of the somewhat-interesting factoids that YttriumShrew apparently knows (that more than half of Wikipedia readers arriving at disambiguation turn out to be looking for the Japanese one, that the Japanese one governed for most of 70 years, probably more facts that they could support).  It is nice that you happen to know these facts and can share them in conversation here, but on disambiguation pages you are simply not allowed to present factoids like those, much less support them by referring to sources, per disambiguation style guidelines.  So I think many general readers would question why the Japanese one would be presented prominently, and think an editing mistake has been made, and consider coming to wp:RM to try to get the odd situation fixed.  For principle of avoiding surprises and/or avoiding pushing puzzles upon readers, it is my intuition that keeping the disambiguation page at generic "Liberal Democratic Party" will perform best. --Doncram (talk) 03:26, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per Wikinav link above. The Japanese political party is overwhelmingly more important, with more pageviews, than other articles with the same name.  The UK Liberal Democrats have a lot of pageviews, yes, but nobody (okay, VERY FEW sources) calls them "Liberal Democratic Party".  They're called the Liberal Democrats, and the only reason they're being brought up is because the list page is currently combining several variations of "Liberal" and "Democrats".  Which is fine, but the LDs are still irrelevant for disambiguation purposes here.  Note that WikiNav says that the 2nd most popular page after the Japanese LDP is the Afghanistan LDP (surely because it's the first on the list), and utterly obscure and tiny party that might not even meet notability guidelines (Liberal Democratic Party of Afghanistan).  SnowFire (talk) 08:24, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. There are far too many such parties (List of Liberal Democratic parties), and only Japanophiles are likely to closely associate the term with Japan. (For my part, I immediately thought of the UK, and then of Australia.)  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:06, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:NWFCTM. Surely the pageviews indicate most people are looking for this party, not others. YttriumShrew (talk) 00:22, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I cannot help but equate this to Democratic Party and Republican Party. While the American parties are by far the most prominent, they simply cannot be given these ambiguous and U.S.-centric titles, given the global scale of Wikipedia. Just like with the Japan LDP, many entries listed on the disambiguation pages are 'obscure' and much less significant than the American parties. The sheer amount, however, of parties across the world that share their names, makes it hard to justify a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC label. Cilidus (talk) 01:29, 2 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Disambiguate The Japanese LDP seems to be the most popular party named the "liberal democratic party" (partly because of Shinzo Abe), but I would suggest turning the link into a disambiguation which points to the four or five largest/most well known LDPs, with a wikilink list to the others. I think that's a middle ground that we could all agree on, but if push comes to shove, I would oppose and side with Cilidus as I think his reasoning for why we have US disambiguations in the Democrats and the Republicans here. InvadingInvader (talk) 04:36, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Color Change
The party is no longer green, along with the logo. They are only this colour on the English website, which doesn't seem to have been improved in a long time, as the Japanese website's predominant colours are black and red. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 12:19, 24 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Can you provide a source for this, please? I just checked the Japanese version of this article, and green is still used in the infobox there.  Μαρκος Δ   21:18, 20 January 2023 (UTC)


 * The Japanese website of the LDP is now a pinkish-red, but not all pages of various lang. Wikipedias have been updated, neither has LDP's English too. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 21:20, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Political party colors aren't as crystalized as in the UK. The LDP uses different colors in election campaigns constantly. You shouldn't keep changing it to red. It causes mass confusion. 沁水湾 (talk) 18:02, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


 * As I said, please provide a source that shows that the party is still officially green. If it were for only campaigns then shouldn't Komeito be yellow, and not the pink it is now? ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 18:04, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Even then, Komeito wasn't yellow, nor New Komeito, which the page in Japanese uses as a colour template, as NKP was blue. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 18:13, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The goal is interlegibility. The new Komeito post Shinshinto is a different party in many ways comparing to the historical Komeito: its long term coalition with the LDP & shift towards conservatism. In fact for a time its official name was the "NKP". This justify separate wiki pages & therefore, colors.
 * As I said party colors, especially for the LDP, was never crystalized. The LDP have used both red & green before, and have continued to do so since. Consistency & readability was the key (in stead of what you personally believe should be the case). It emphasize different colors in individual election campaigns from elections to elections. If you really insist on it. Change the color of every elections to match the LDP's at the time branding.
 * The short lived splinter groups of a dozen or even less than five MPs/councilors shouldn't be listed alongside the Liberal & Democratic parties of  (which, as I told you before, represent the 保守本流&保守傍流 factions of the LDP). These small splinter groups & their merger with the LDP has more to do with Japan's campaign public finance laws. As I stated before, it's like listing the "Connecticut for Lieberman Party" alongside "Jacksonian Democratic Republicans" as the groups that merged into the US Democrats.
 * Please stop. 沁水湾 (talk) 18:20, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I know that already.
 * As I said, please provide a source. Even for one before 2017 for the red.
 * Fine.
 * ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 18:27, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I was going to ask you to change the colour of the LDP in the maps where they use red, i.e. 2019 and 2022. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 18:28, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I won't. Please stop your obsession with colors. Thanks 沁水湾 (talk) 18:29, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Revisiting position
I think we should change it to "Centre-right to right-wing" and then add a note. Liberal conservative/right-libertarian parties are almost always centre-right, but may have other factions (for examples the page about the Liberal Democrats (an Australian libertarian party) lists "Centre-right to right-wing" as its position). Any thoughts? Thiscouldbeauser (talk) 10:19, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I am absolutely against your suggestion. Japan has a weak Western liberal/libertarian culture, and the LDPJ is traditionalistic and nationalistic. In addition, there is clearly an ultranationalist faction in the party, and Fumio Kishida, the current leader, also belongs to the far-right Nippon Kaigi. The political position of the LDPJ must be "Right-wing", not "Centre-right to right-wing". Imagine if the Germans did the way the LDPJ insulted war crime victims in WW2. Rather, in South Korea, the LDPJ itself is recognized as a far-right fascist party. Mureungdowon (talk) 10:33, 27 April 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE : 3 F4U (they/it) 21:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * We call Holocaust deniers the far-right Nazis. The LDPJ is doing exactly that. Australia's mainstream right-wing nationalists also don't argue that there was no Holocaust itself. The LDPJ denies genocide and sexual slavery crimes against Koreans. The LDPJ is never centre-right. The LDPJ is close to neo-Nazi by Australian standards. Mureungdowon (talk) 10:41, 27 April 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE : 3 F4U (they/it) 21:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No, Fumio Kishida belongs to the liberal conservative Kōchikai faction, which I would probably describe as "Centre-right to right-wing". I doubt he denies the Holocaust. On mainstream Australian standards I wouldn't describe it as a neo-Nazi party or even a fascist party. Right-wing populist, yes (in certain factions), but Nazi is a strong word. Shinzo Abe was from the right-wing populist faction you mentioned, however. Abe was obviously similar to Trump, but not similar to Hitler or Mussolini. Anyway, I don't know you can describe the party as neo-Nazi considering the party's past two leaders (Abe and Kishida) have strongly supported Israel (a Jewish-majority country created because of the Holocaust) and have even spoken with Israel's Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. I doubt Netanyahu (who is Jewish) would have spoken with them if they denied the Holocaust and supported Hitler. Thiscouldbeauser (talk) 07:38, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * He is not anti-Semitic, but he is clearly anti-Korean. (The relationship between Koreans and Japanese during World War II is the same as that between Jews and Germans.) The reason why I call the LDP a Nazi is that LDP politicians actively support nationalist historical revisionism for the war crimes they committed during World War II. Kishida tried to get rid of Germany's Statue of Peace. What German center-right politicians deny their war crimes? Kishida being a liberal means only relatively. He is a moderate conservative, not liberal conservative. The Holocaust I'm talking about is not the Holocaust of the Nazis, but the Asian Holocaust. At that time, Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire were the same fascist Axis powers. Above all, the decisive evidence that Kishida is only a relative moderate is that he belongs to the far-right group, Nippon Kaigi. Mureungdowon (talk) 07:52, 28 April 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE : 3 F4U (they/it) 21:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * South Korea is Israel in Northeast Asia. While the majority of South Koreans oppose the revision of Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution, Kishida supports the revision of Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution. Germany today does not inconvenience Israel's Jews. The Japanese are very threatening to the South Koreans. Although Kishida did not visit Yasukuni shrine, he sent a tribute to Yasukuni shrine. Yasukuni shrine is considered a Nazi monument in South Korea. In various ultranationalist projects conducted by the LDP, if you change Japanese to German and Korean to Jewish, it is a perfect neo-Nazi. Mureungdowon (talk) 08:03, 28 April 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE : 3 F4U (they/it) 21:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Even Germany rarely criticizes Israel, and avoids diplomatic friction with Israel itself. Japan, where the LDP is in power, often causes friction with South Korea. I'm a South Korean, but I try to express it objectively. From a purely South Korean point of view, the LDP almost unilaterally afflicts South Korea. Many South Koreans see it as hypocritical for Western liberals to call Donald Trump a fascist and not call all LDP politicians fascists. Donald Trump doesn't openly glorify Nazi Germany, but most LDP politicians openly glorify the Japanese Empire. Fumio Kishida belongs to Nippon Kaigi, but Donald Trump was not affiliated with a similar far-right lobbying group. From the subjective standpoint of South Koreans, Donald Trump, the far-right Republican, appears to be a much more moderate conservative than Fumio Kishida, the self-proclaimed moderate of the LDP. No far-right in South Korean and Japanese supports the Sunshine Policy and condemns South Korean liberals' sympathy for North Korea. Donald Trump is rather a liberal (=Support for Sunshine Policy and human rights of Japanese sexual slavery victims) by South Korean standards and Fumio Kishida is a fascist (=Opposition to the Sunshine Policy and the Denialist of Japanese War crimes) by South Korean standards. Mureungdowon (talk) 08:12, 28 April 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE : 3 F4U (they/it) 21:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The LDP is sometimes described as an ultranationalist. See Ultranationalism: No party on this list is centre-right. Many South Koreans point out that the way Germans treat Jews and Israel is so different from the way Japanese treat South Koreans. If anti-Semitism is far-right, anti-Korean racism is also far-right. See Anti-Korean sentiment in Japan: As much as the Germans compensated the Jews, the Japanese should compensate the South Koreans, and just as Willy Brandt knelt down to Jewish victims, the Japanese prime minister should dogeza to South Korean war crime victims. Mureungdowon (talk) 08:43, 28 April 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE : 3 F4U (they/it) 21:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I think that the party is described in the article's infobox in a narrow way. The party is surely conservative, but it contains both nationalist and liberal elements. What about leaving only "conservatism"? Also, the party, the mainstream force of government in an established and mature democracy such as Japan, is more centre-right than right-wing. This said, I am not proposing "centre-right to right-wing" because I prefer to avoid composite positions in the infobox. --Checco (talk) 20:54, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * There is no evidence that mainstream conservative parties in democracies are necessarily moderate. I rather suggest that the political position be changed to "Right-wing to far-right". The party is clearly anti-Korean racists, and we do not refer to the political position of the Bharatiya Janata Party and People Power Party (South Korea) as "Centre-right to right-wing". (India and South Korea is clearly a liberal democracy.) Poland's Law and Justice is much more moderate than the LDPJ. In particular, Nippon Kaigi is considered a far-right ultranationalist political organization in Japan, and since 2006, all Japanese prime ministers from the LDP have been affiliated with Nippon Kaigi. Real center-right parties like the CDU in Germany or the GOP in the United States are never described as ultranationalists. As of 2023, there are no liberals in the LDPJ. So, I therefore object to removing "Japanese nationalism" from infobox. Mureungdowon (talk) 23:14, 7 May 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE : 3 F4U (they/it) 21:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The Republicans have centre-right elements but are mostly right-wing. A better example would be Germany's CDU, the UK's Consetvatives Australia's Coalition and New Zealand's National Party. Overall I don't think everyone in the party hates Koreans, just as how I don't think the Republicans hate Muslims or LGBT people. Thiscouldbeauser (talk) 10:06, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Although not all politicians in the LDPJ explicitly detest Koreans, Japanese historical revisionism targeting Koreans is supported by almost all politicians in the LDPJ. In Germany, Holocaust denial itself is regarded as anti-Semitism. As of 2023, it is difficult to see any major LDPJ politicians who oppose historical revisionism for Japanese war crimes or insist on genuine apology and reflection. Mureungdowon (talk) 10:24, 8 May 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE : 3 F4U (they/it) 21:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not completely sure about the situation over there, but I still think labelling an entire party as "anti-XYZ" when it concerns a group of people, isn't good, with some obvious exceptions (e.g labelling Fraser Anning as Islamophobic). Thiscouldbeauser (talk) 10:27, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Almost all LDPJ politicians are not free from anti-Korean racism. I have not seen a single politician in the recent LDPJ mainstream against historical revisionism Mureungdowon (talk) 10:33, 8 May 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE : 3 F4U (they/it) 21:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think Japan is a 'mature democracy'. The LDPJ and CDPJ support Japan's historical revisionism of war crimes. Germany's "centre-right" CDU is much more moderate in nationalist matters than Japan's "centre to centre-left" CDPJ. Germany and Japan were the same Axis powers during World War II. In Germany, mainstream conservatives do not support German nationalism. In Japan, except for a few socialists, most Japanese politicians support Japanese nationalism, especially the LDPJ, which is a very hard-line anti-Korean nationalist. Mureungdowon (talk) 23:22, 7 May 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE : 3 F4U (they/it) 21:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I think this is worth a look: https://japantoday.com/category/politics/japan's-pm-tells-south-koreans-his-'heart-hurts'-over-pain-caused-by-occupation Thiscouldbeauser (talk) 10:25, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Kishida has been criticized in South Korea for not officially mentioning an apology. And Kishida is against the Statue of Peace. The reason why he expressed regret, not an apology, in front of Yoon Suk Yeol is that Yoon Suk Yeol has expressed its intention not to demand compensation for Korean victims of Japanese war crimes. Yoon Suk Yeol is accused of being a pro-Japanese fascist in South Korea. Surviving Korean victims are blaming Yoon and Kishida. Above all, Kishida does not admit to the fact that forced labor existed. Mureungdowon (talk) 11:12, 8 May 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE : 3 F4U (they/it) 21:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This isn't the place to POV push about Japan-South Korea tensions. This longstanding controversy hangs over this bilateral relationship largely regardless of the ruling party and their place of parties on the political spectrum. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:53, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The denial of war crimes is not a matter of Japan-South Korea, but of fascism. In Germany, Holocaust denial itself is considered far-right. And I gave all the sources in the LDPJ article. And I also edited in detail about anti-Japanese racism in the Democratic Party of Korea article in South Korea to be fair. Mureungdowon (talk) 11:04, 8 May 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE : 3 F4U (they/it) 21:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No, denial of sources of historic shame is not explicitly a far-right trait; denial of certain events tends to be conducted at the society level. For example, Turkish society and hence most political parties in Turkey tend to deny the Armenian genocide. Many European countries tend to downplay the horrors of colonialism and slavery. Rarely do these things boil down to the actions and/or agency of a single political party, and I very much doubt you can establish that here with reliable sources. The LDP is generally described as a party with quite a broad base that appeals to much of the political spectrum. See Brittanica. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:32, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The Japanese Empire was the Axis powers. The Axis crimes must be dealt with in a special way. Turkey's mainstream parties do not support Nazism or Japanese imperialism. The Armenian genocide in Turkey was during World War I, and it was not a matter for the Axis powers during World War II. Japan's denial of war crimes is not an Armenian genocide denial, but a Holocaust denial. Moreover, there are currently no survivors of the Armenian genocide, but there are still Japanese Military Sexual Slavery victims and Holocaust survivors. Mureungdowon (talk) 11:46, 8 May 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE : 3 F4U (they/it) 21:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to your opinions, but I think this thread has reached its end. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:57, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Mainstream conservative parties in South Korea, Japan, Poland, and the United States are not moderate. South Korea's PPP, Japan's LDP, and Poland's PiS are usually called right-wing or [right-wing] nationalist. They are very different from ordinary center-rights such as Tory in UK and CDU in Germany. Mureungdowon (talk) 12:12, 8 May 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE : 3 F4U (they/it) 21:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Damn, that's too tempting ... I mean, the Tories have plenty of racist cunts in their ranks, and, as for the CDU, nowhere in Europe is there a stronger defender of the Israeli far right and Israeli apartheid. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:42, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Most right-wing parties the world over exist on a spectrum with both centre-right and far-right on their extreme wings. The art of being a right wing leader is balancing the competing interests of these. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:44, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The LDP hate Koreans, but Tory doesn't hate Indians. The CDU's absolute defense of Israel is because it has guilt about Jews. LDP feels NEVER guilty about Koreans. I don't think Israel is an apartheid regime. Mureungdowon (talk) 13:42, 8 May 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE : 3 F4U (they/it) 21:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't make any criticism of Israel. They passively support South Korea in the conflict between South Korea and Japan. Because Japan's behavior is really no different from Holocaust denial. Mureungdowon (talk) 13:54, 8 May 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE : 3 F4U (they/it) 21:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * What matters is the attitude to the Axis powers. Historical revisionism to this must be considered unconditionally far-right. Mureungdowon (talk) 14:36, 8 May 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE : 3 F4U (they/it) 21:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The LDP is not a WWII-era party; this is just anachronism. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:55, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No, we call Holocaust deniers fascists or Nazis. In addition, the trade dispute between South Korea and Japan in 2019 also began with the issue of compensation for survivors of war crimes in the South Korea. Victims are hoping for a real apology and compensation from Japan before they die of old age. Mureungdowon (talk) 20:02, 8 May 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE : 3 F4U (they/it) 21:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Of course, Fatah, a Palestinian center-left, causes controversy with historical revisionism on the Holocaust, but historical revisionism on the Holocaust is subject to criminal punishment, at least in Germany. Japan was the three main Axis powers. Mureungdowon (talk) 20:32, 8 May 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE : 3 F4U (they/it) 21:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The Israeli people usually support South Korea in the conflict between South Korea and Japan. That's why the South Korean people like Israel, and South Korea and Israel signed an FTA. Anti-Zionists accuse the FTA of "alliance with murderers." But they don't blame Japan, unlike the Israeli people. Comparing Nakba to the Holocaust is anti-Semitism. However, Japanese war crimes are on par with the Holocaust. Germany and Japan were Axis powers, but Israel was not. On the contrary, Jews and Koreans were victims of the Axis powers of crime. Comparing Armenian genocide to Japanese war crimes is wrong. The Armenian genocide is not a crime committed by the Axis powers. Mureungdowon (talk) 20:38, 8 May 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE : 3 F4U (they/it) 21:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * When Abe visited Israel, Netanyahu served shoes with food. This is a serious insult to Japanese culture, so many South Koreans liked that Israel readily avenged Japan. The Israeli people are also very aware of Japanese historical revisionism. The Japanese government secretly criticizes Israel and sympathizes with the Palestinians. The DSA's support of the Palestinians may be pure. However, Japan's criticism of Israel is largely impure. The LDP is a fascist by German political standards, and German media mainly blame Japan for the conflict between South Korea and Japan. Abe boarded a fighter plane with 731 on it and paid tribute to Yasukuni shrine in memory of war criminals. Even the AfD doesn't do this in Germany. Therefore, from the perspective of the German people or the Israeli people, the conflict between South Korea and Japan is entirely Japan's responsibility. Mureungdowon (talk) 21:01, 8 May 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE : 3 F4U (they/it) 21:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * At least 50% ~ 90% of the Japanese people are neo-fascists in the context of German politics. See Anti-Korean sentiment in Japan. Mureungdowon (talk) 21:13, 8 May 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE : 3 F4U (they/it) 21:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Checco @Iskandar323 @Thiscouldbeauser @Mureungdowon
 * The article is too US-centric. I see no reason not to incorporate conservative liberalism into the ideology section. 93.45.229.98 (talk) 19:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * We are not talking about the "Ideology" section now, but the "Ideology" parameter in the infobox. In my view, "conservatism" would be quite enough, as it is an encompassing ideology describing the party's nature. This said, I have nothing against "conservative liberalism" and/or "liberal conservatism". --Checco (talk) 12:40, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Checco I meant the parameter, I misspelled. I am for adding conservative liberalism and/or liberal conservatism. 93.45.229.98 (talk) 16:28, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * "Conservatism" includes "liberal conservatism". Thus, I would either keep "conservatism" alone or replace it with "liberal conservatism". Also, I have no opposition on including "conservative liberalism", provided that reliable sources are produced. --Checco (talk) 16:28, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Description by sock user
Several IP users attempting to re-write inappropriate writing that has been deleted many times after it was written by a sock user. However, the writing has fake quotes from several sources. For example, the Kyunghyang Shinmun writes that Yoshihide Suga said, "The phrase 'forced to work' as recognized by the Japanese government, does not refer to forced labor as defined by the ILO, but to requisition." The Yonhap News writes that Fumio Kishida asked the German Chancellor to remove the comfort women statue. The Guardian writes that the Japan Times and the Yomiuri Shimbun have changed their terminology regarding World War II. The Hankyoreh writes that there are differences between Japan and South Korea on the detailed interpretation of the phrase "forced to work". Those sources never say that many members of the LDP are in denial about the war crimes committed by the Empire of Japan against the Korean people. The sock user is writing from a false quotation from the sources, synthesizing the information and then making his own interpretation.--SLIMHANNYA (talk) 13:36, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Retire the one party state line
It's lazy and shows a lack of understand of how politics in Japan have worked in the last 25 years. From 2018 and 2024, read:

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/japanese-journal-of-political-science/article/electoral-incentives-policy-compromise-and-coalition-durability-japans-ldpkomeito-government-in-a-mixed-electoral-system/D153792B61853FAC9AF38A20E5076D32

And:

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-east-asian-studies/article/between-appeasement-and-accommodation-komeitos-policy-influence-under-second-abe-administration/FE5174AC43FEB47774CEFAD0F876B478

All of that still applies today, even more so considering considering the bad polling Kishida and the party has gotten recently after the slush funds scandals last year and some of the by election loses it has had:

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/04/29/japan/politics/ldp-by-elections-analysis/

Dominant party system would be a better term but even still I don't know how appropriate it would be to use it as that term seems more descriptive of the pre 1999 LDP that governed entirely on its own rather than the post 1999 LDP-Komeito coalition/election politics. WetGlass (talk) 10:11, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Reopening color change discussion
I think it's time to seriously consider changing the LDP's color. They have consistently switched to using red as their primary color in their branding in the past couple of years, and Japanese media now consistently uses red when displaying the LDP in electoral graphics etc.

The question then is what to do with the JCP's color. Japanese media now uses purple for the JCP so that is one option. Any thoughts?Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 01:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)