Talk:Liberal Democratic Party (Romania)

Bias??
Sorry to disturb your fantasizing; last I heard PLD was pushing for a merger with PD, Valeriu Stoica was pushing it, Stolojan was pushing it. Blaga confirmed it at 3x3 (TV Show)with Stelian Tanase, but affirmed such a move is not considered anymore by the PD. So, practically PLD is a party with no identity. There is nothing to discredit. And if this not to discuss this, why did you write it anyway? Sure, just to shut the door. :)

Bias
Whoever made this article is obviously a PNL fanboy, as all the allegations made against the Liberal Democrats are word-for-word the allegations that top PNL brass made to discredit them. Specifically:


 * The Liberal Democrats tend to be more conservative than the National Liberal Party (...) According to whom ? Were the National Liberals very "liberal" to begin with ? Doubtful, if we are to consider their ties to large companies and putting business and personal grudges before the country's progress and well-being, but this is not the place to discuss this. A larger number of ex-PNL deputies joined the Liberal Democrats than ex-PD deputies, so if the PNL was supposed to be slightly more "liberal" than the PD (again, on what grounds), what would make the Liberal Democrats more "conservative" than the PNL. Plus, Stolojan was kicked out of the PNL for exercising his right to criticize Tariceanu's decisions; Tariceanu's hard-line stance against dissent doesn't sound very "liberal" to me, last time I checked, it was Vadim who kicked some guys out of the PRM for similar behaviour.


 * The whole tirade about PNL members criticizing the LibDems for being puppets of President Basescu or populist party under Basescu's control are pure propaganda. They aren't even sourced, and don't constitute more than spiteful libel. So remove.

If you have any problems, take it up with me. --Voievod 23:31, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I've stopped supporting the PNL for some time now, but I would agree that the Lib-Dems are more conservative than the Liberals. The deputies which left PNL to form PLD were all from the more socially-conservative wing of the party, those which support a greater association with the church, family values, etc. The Lib-Dems are more conservative in this sense, not in the economic sense (e.g. free markets, neoliberalism). There are several instances of this. Firstly, the PLD wants to join the European People's Party, which is conservative, while the PNL is a member of ALDE, which is socially-liberal. Secondly, Gheorghe Flutur commented that:


 * "We believe that we must fight for the protection of [our] national identity, especially now, when Romania has entered the European Union. Here, we consider that we must have a very good relationship with the institution of the [Romanian Orthodox] Church and I think that [the church] must play a much more important role in the promotion of our traditions and customs."


 * That is, the PLD supports traditional (conservative) values, as opposed to the PNL which, although having a conservative wing, states in its doctrine that it supports the separation of church and state. In fact, if you look at their official political programme, they devote two entire sections to "Recognising the role of the family, community and religion" and "Maintaining national identity". The PNL policy document makes no mention of either of these.


 * I don't think this should be interpreted as a "smear campaign" - from a neutral point of view, there is nothing wrong about a party being conservative, but I would definitely say that the PLD is to the right of the PNL on social issues. Ronline ✉ 01:34, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I understand your points, but I still don't think that the LibDems are as socially conservative as you make them out to be. Sure, they consider the Church as an ally in defending Romania's national identity, I don't see that as too conservative: one couldn't claim that the LibDems are actually campaigning against the separation of Church and State, that would be ludicrous. But maybe they see the Church as a helping hand in protecting Romania's culture in an age of rabid globalization. They do value national identity and protection of the family (don't say "family values", it's such a hideous term that brings up images of the radical wing of the U.S. Republican Party...), but that's still close to a socially moderate, pragmatically reformist centre-right position (in that case, the Romanian Democrat Party would seem to be more reform-oriented). In a way, they remind me of the Gaullist ideals of "Travail, Famille, Patrie" ("Work, Family, Country") which are espoused by the UMP and Nicholas Sarkozy, but still more liberal than Sarko. If you really want a socially conservative party that advances at a snail's pace, look no further than the PSD and Voiculescu's Conservatives. --Voievod 15:53, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

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