Talk:Liberalism in Europe

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US terminology for describing Europe
The article claims, prominently, that "European liberals in the centre-left are represented in the major social democrat parties" while citing a kind of "Europe seen from Texas" source that uses a misleading American terminology that Europeans would regard as inaccurate. In fact, social democrats are the first parties mentioned in the article, which makes it seem as if they are the primary liberal parties in Europe. In Europe social democracy is universally considered (and considers itself) a movement and basic school of thought of its own, separate from liberalism (and all other ideologies for that matter), and with a distinct history and traditions. That they are both often close to the political centre and that they in practice today share many views don't make both "liberal." Left liberals or social liberals aren't social democrats, but people who identify with the basic ideology of liberalism and who are on the (centre) left on a liberal spectrum; the entire liberal spectrum is traditionally understood to be to the right of socialism and social democracy. Given that politics is conducted in a more consensus-based manner in Western Europe, with numerous parties and political ideologies, these nuances may be difficult to comprehend for Americans. The German Wikipedia's article on left liberalism (de:Linksliberalismus) doesn't include social democracy, but parts of centrist parties such as the FDP (its left wing) and Greens (its right wing), and the German Democratic Party of the Weimar era.

Since this is an article specifically on liberalism in Europe, we shouldn't use simplistic American terminology to describe it. We don't use "the US seen from China"-like sources as the primary lens for describing US politics either. --Tataral (talk) 14:18, 13 August 2019 (UTC)


 * I checked the source. It says, "social liberals have come closer to the Social Democrats [than conservative liberals] in accepting social legislation." (p. 107) While that is certainly true, it does not support the text and I will remove it. TFD (talk) 16:44, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Liberalism in Europe
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Liberalism in Europe's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "StarkeKaasch2013": From Conservative liberalism:  From Mouvement Réformateur:  From DéFI:  From National conservatism:  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 05:10, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Federalisation of Europe?
This article says that Liberals support federalism in the EU and backs it up with Volt... Volt is not a liberal party as it isnt even in the Liberal group ALDE & Renew. But I can name various parties who support European cooperation and the ever closer union but oppose federalism, especially the liberals in the Netherlands, Denmark, Estonia etc. Are not federalists. I suggest this error be removed. 109.36.158.124 (talk) 14:41, 18 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Agree. I removed it. I do not think it is true but in any case it would require a source that made the claim. TFD (talk) 01:21, 19 September 2022 (UTC)