Talk:Libu

Merger to Ancient Libya
Oppose The discussion at Ancient Libya under "Name" is more about how Libya got it name, than about the Libu tribe. It also could be shortened, since it points to this article as main. The history and geographical sections of that article need to be strengthened. At present it is overweighted in the "Name" section. I think that there is enough information about the Libu, etc. to maintain a separate article. --Bejnar (talk) 18:02, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * "Labu: This tribe from which the land of Libya takes its name is sometimes called the Labu, Libu, or Rebu, and appears in many Egyptian texts, such as the inscriptions on the temple at Medinet Habu. The earliest of these texts is the Papyrus Anastasi II in Dynasty XVIII and appear in texts, if only rarely, up until Dynasty XXI. It is unclear for certain where the Labu originated, but they may have originated from west of the region of Libya. It is clear, however, that along with other tribes such as the Meshwesh they replaced the pervious inhabitants of Libya at some time during the New Kingdom. If the Labu are from the west of Libya, then it seems strange to associate them so closely with the Sea Peoples, even if the Labu do fight alongside the Sea Peoples against the Egyptians. Another theory, though, is that the Libu originated in the Balkans and were driven to migration by the Illyrians, with the Libu finally settling in Libya. The other Sea Peoples are generally thought to have originated in the Aegean, in the case of the Peleset, or in Anatolia, in the case of many of the other Sea Peoples tribes. The Labu are characterized by a number of features when they are depicted in Egyptian reliefs, such as fair skin, red hair, and blue eyes. They also wore ornamental cloaks, had one lock of hair, and were tattooed on their arms and legs." http://www.salimbeti.com/micenei/sea.htm  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lapsoo (talk • contribs) 12:47, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

The Name Libu
Is misspelled in the article. r above the vertical line determinative for the thing itself has the meaning name and is not the r glyph used for l. u is a plural form. What we are left with is "ib w" refuge (compare ibhet a Nubian region where ibhty a stone used for beads is found)12.187.95.57 (talk) 18:42, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Short description
@Las davas Hello. I would like to discuss your modification to the article's short description. According to WP:SDCONTENT, "The short description is part of the article content, and is subject to the normal rules on content", and since citations cannot be added in a short description, it therefore must be supported by content and citations within the article itself. In the article itself, the Libu are variously described as a "tribe", "dynasty", or "chiefdom". Nowhere does it say that the Libu people were a "civilization". If you disagree with this depiction, you should first edit the article itself with sources, although bear in mind that a cursory glance through some of the sources currently used also didn't show any evidence of the Libu being refered to as a civilization. Furthermore, your new short description is out of line with the format guidlines for short descriptions, and although I won't revert your revert, do note that this page has been flagged for review, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone else comes along to change it. Regards, Liu1126 (talk) 17:04, 11 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Liu1126 well it's more of an observation but I would like to clear myself and my thought what is the civilization well I'm pretty that civilization need to have:
 * urbanization: libu were urbanized atleast from 1300 bce in that point they encountered the sea people and hired them as mercenaries and also the Meshwesh and from former trades between them we notice that in libya the grow grapes ,wheat and herd cattle which is probably need water in the region of jabal akhadar there is rivers that shrink a little in summer but can be used all of the year and some lake where they can grow and which make them more settle as I like to continue but I may be annoying you so may I continue I have a source that I would mention when I finish Las davas (talk) 17:37, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Liu1126 secondly their settlement i. the region of jabal akhdar you may find alot of house that most people tight them back to the libu (libu were always mentioned to be from that region by historians) which depict different kinds like some forts,underground houses and wooden ones which gave them some architectural fees and some say that they build the slonta temple Las davas (talk) 17:41, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Liu1126 secondly their settlement i. the region of jabal akhdar you may find alot of house that most people tight them back to the libu (libu were always mentioned to be from that region by historians) which depict different kinds like some forts,underground houses and wooden ones which gave them some architectural fees and some say that they build the slonta temple Las davas (talk) 17:43, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Liu1126 that Is for architecture now political government well that get more annoying well by the invasion of the egypt, the egyptian Pharoah mentioned that ded was the king of libu then it was meryey his son then meryey brother which allow us to make the contribution that they had a monarchy of a system Las davas (talk) 17:46, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Liu1126 well for spoken language there is ancient berber inscription in jabal akhdar which some research make it tight around 1500bce this and we have another reason and I can be sure that I proved that it can be considered a civilization Las davas (talk) 17:50, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Liu1126 in terms of social stratification we know it's probably into three which are the libu king is at the top then the army then the traders and the the farmers then mercenaries tehenu and the meshwesh Las davas (talk) 17:53, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Liu1126 the source for this interesting research done by me are The Eastern Libyan book by oric bates can I add the civilization please Las davas (talk) 17:55, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, thank you for taking the time to write back. I've looked at the source you mentioned (The eastern Lybians: an essay by Oric Bates, this is the place I found it: ) but I've been unable to locate specific pieces of evidence that support your statements. Could you give more specific citations to your claims (such as chapter or preferably page numbers)? Additionally, even assuming that your statements are valid, they do not necessarily mean that we can state that Libu is a civilization. In the book, I failed to find an explicit mention of the Libu people as a civilization (the only statement that comes close was on page 142, and even then, it seems like a general statement about Ancient Libya as a whole). WP:SYNTH states that editors cannot "combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source", as that would constitute original research. If Bates did not explicitly state or conclude the Libu as a civilization, then we cannot state it as such in the article just because his description of the Libu fits certain criteria for civilizations.
 * Admittedly, I'm not an editor active in Libyan or even African articles, so my conclusions are mostly outsider views on this topic. If you want to, we could request help from WikiProject Libya to come to a judgement on this. Regards, Liu1126 (talk) 15:51, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Liu1126 ok still they fit the general description of civilization like sumer and ancient Crete which is i can completely respect all of your thoughts but in this sense of having all the categories to be a civilization I think we should consider them one sorry if I'm annoying or annoying you sir Las davas (talk) 18:50, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Liu1126 oh and yes if he said ancient libya as civilization doesn't that mean all of the Libyan tribe Las davas (talk) 19:06, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Liu1126 which honestly would be annoying to give them all a civilization but at the time they were under the rule of the libu which we can confirm as civilization now i think Las davas (talk) 19:07, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Liu1126 or in another words The Libu were a remarkable civilization that governed all eastern Libyan tribes under their reign, setting them apart as a distinct civilization. Although the book denotes all ancient Libyan tribes, it is pertinent to note that they were dominated by a specific tribe. Perhaps, it is necessary to rewrite their article comprehensively. Las davas (talk) 19:22, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Liu1126 I'll take that as yes Las davas (talk) 23:14, 12 May 2023 (UTC)