Talk:Licentiate (degree)

Name in Dutch
"Also spelled Licenciate or Licenciaat in Dutch"
 * This is NOT true. It is though often misspelled as Licenciaat. Licentiate in Dutch is Licentiaat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.224.34.5 (talk • contribs)

Belgium
''Study is very rigorous. Students in Belgian universities usually take more than 30 hours a week (as opposed to an average of 15 at American universities.) Thus, students are able to complete their degrees in four years, as opposed to the usual six at American institutions.''
 * I don't know about this, I study at a belgian university (KU Leuven) and only have about 22 hours of classes in a week, I'm not sure if the "30h average" is true. Also, does it really matter how many hours you take? The quality of the lectures counts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lamadude (talk • contribs)
 * Seriously. During my undergraduate degree at a Canadian university, it's true that I had an average of 15 hrs/week of classes. But I can't imagine doubling that while still getting the same out of each course. --Saforrest 20:24, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * In Mexico we have this system, and yes, it's quite hard. Most of "Licenciaturas" don't let you have a half time job. In Biology an Communication Sciences at least (four year an four and a half year respectively), the average of hours is indeed 30 hours a week. Three 2-hour classes a day with a small recess between each, or 2 three hour classes with a midclass recess (some of these had laboratory for a half of the class). And like in most cases, lecture quality varied from professor to professor. At least here we have the real professors giving most classes, and not just the assistants. In fact, for Biology, classes are given by two professors (PhD's or PhD Grad students).--Jorge Octavio Juarez Ramirez, UNAM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.141.36.124 (talk • contribs)

Switzerland
"The licentiate will be progressively changed for the 'Bachelor' grade 3-years of study and the 'DEA & DESS' for the 'Master' grade 2-years of study, due to the Bologna Convention." Licentiates are claimed to be equivalent to masters, NOT to Bachelors, cf. http://www.ects.ch/deutsch/lehre/bologna/schweiz/equivalence.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.201.194.34 (talk) 13:57, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Portugal
The old, generally 5 years, Licentiate degree in portugal is generally equivalent to a Bologna's Master, It has the same credit units and the same number of years, it can be consider nowadays as one of these new integrated Master degrees. And in many courses students would have to undergo to internships and have a final project exactly like in a Masters degree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.195.217.51 (talk) 16:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Mexico
Licenciado does not apply to all university level titles in Mexico. The title of a telecommunications engineer is "Ingeniero en Telecomunicaciones". Licenciado, in that case, is an adjective, not part of the title. It would vaguely translate as certified. You can refer to for examples of official university-level titles in Mexico.

Small fix
In the intro it reads: "In some foreign universities it's a degree between that of bachelor and master or doctor.[1]" Foreign? to whom? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.49.188.27 (talk) 23:29, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Clarification on origin of term?
The intro states "The term may derive from the Latin licentia docendi...". Has this conjecture been made by any kind of authority in the topic? If so, it would be helpful to cite the source and reword the statement to something like, "It has been suggested that the term is derived from the Latin licentia docendi...". Otherwise, I would suggest taking the Latin term out entirely. -Elusive Pete (talk) 01:39, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Licentiates have been awarded by various academic, professional and ecclesiastical bodies throughout Europe for centuries. It is only in the past century or two that the diplomas have been in vernacular languages such as English. What need is there for "conjecture" that the term derives from Latin? There is more need to differentiate the licentia docendi, which in Oxford and Cambridge became absorbed into the MA degree, from the licentia ad practicandum, awarded by the English bishops and archbishops under a statute of Henry VIII to those practicing various professions, the similar licences in medicine and surgery awarded by the two oldest English universities to their own students, and the diplomas awarded by a host of bodies since then, with or without statutory authority. NRPanikker (talk) 03:40, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

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Licentiate in Mediaeval Studies
I've added bits in two sections about the Licentiate in Mediaeval Studies from the Pontifical Institute of Mediaeval Studies in Toronto. It's unusual in that it's a postdoctoral degree. In former times, PIMS used to offer it en route to the discontinued Doctorate of Mediaeval Studies (DMS) degree. Given its unusual nature as a postdoctoral status, do any of you think it might deserve a separate section, even amongst other Pontifical licentiates? I'm interested in your thoughts. Best wishes, Hoktiwe (talk) 22:39, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

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Brazil - teacher education
In Brazil, a licentitate is a person allowed to teach. Can it be said that it is a teacher education degree? Mateussf (talk) 19:23, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Don't think so. Most probably, like in other South American countries, that person would be a licenciate in education or similar.--Bibliotecatdj (talk) 18:45, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

About the licenciate degree in South America
It is interesting to notice that a licenciate is an equivalent to a master in Europe. The problem is that a few decates ago the title of "master" was non-existant at least here in my country, Bolivia. For example, I have relatives that after obtaining their licenciate degree they jump directly to the doctoral degree. But now, thanks to American influence there is also the option to go for a master's degree. The problem with these titles is that they do not have a formally established order of precedence. Some universities require you to have a master's degree to study a doctoral degree; others allow you to jump directly to the doctoral degree without a master. The autonomy of universities in this regard should not be underestimated. I don't now if other countries in the region have similar problems though. However I still consider that if the bachelor's degree has to be classified, at least in Latin America, the most appropriate thing would be to classify it as an Undergraduate degree, but an Undergraduate degree that is in a range higher than a bachelor's degree but still lower than the master's degree (I put something similar on the discussion of the Bachelors degree page). I consider that this degree is superior to the bachelor's because generally you have to study for many more years and also you have to present a thesis in front of a qualifying jury. It is inferior to the master's degree because a master's degree is generally considered a postgraduate degree in most universities. --Bibliotecatdj (talk) 18:45, 14 May 2024 (UTC)