Talk:Licorice Pizza

Rape Controversy
This is a movie about a 25-year-old grooming a 15-year-old. It's about statuary rape. Why isn't that mentioned in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.162.105 (talk) 23:38, 12 December 2021 (UTC)


 * The movie is not about grooming, and it is certainly not about rape, statutory or otherwise. Their relationship is almost entire non-sexual, and the only near-sexual encounter between them is when the 15-year-old almost sexually assaults the 25-year-old. It may be reasonable to talk about the movie in terms of pedophilia (an interesting debate, no doubt), but it is not fair to say the movie is about grooming or rape.--GiantInsects (talk) 19:15, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Proposed move: Licorice Pizza (film) → Licorice Pizza
I've proposed moving this article to Licorice Pizza, which used to redirect to phonograph record but is now a redirect to this page. The film is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC with this title. See Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests§ Uncontroversial technical requests. —BLZ · talk 19:30, 27 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I support this Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 20:19, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Licorice Pizza used to be the name of a chain of music stores in Southern California. I think the name Licorice Pizza (2021 movie) should be used to avoid confusion. 47.148.2.196 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 05:18, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Runtime
Right, the poster is pretty and all, the trailer got me hyped (Don't Look Up can suck it) and right now, what we need is a runtime. Also this is PTA's most expensive film up to date. 165.73.227.21 (talk) 23:21, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Punctuation issue
change “70’s” to “1970s”, preferably with a link to the article. “70’s” is not correct. 50.25.142.93 (talk) 03:24, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Grooming, Underage Relationships, Lack of Reporting on Wiki
The film ends with a romantic kiss between a 15 year old and a 25 year old in 1970s California. Age of consent is 18, so there is inarguably an instance of a statutory relationship, as well as grooming.

The wiki page does not share the growing concern the public has for the relationship. The page has listed 4 of the 5 nominations the film has received from the Alliance of Women Film Journalists. The one category that was removed from the wiki page was the "Most Egregious Lovers' Age Difference Award."

To not acknowledge this is propaganda on the films' behalf. 157.131.206.205 (talk) 22:13, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reliable source that describes this relationship as "grooming"? Cullen328 (talk) 22:19, 1 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Grooming is when someone builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them.

https://www.newsweek.com/licorice-pizza-paul-thomas-anderson-racism-backlash-1659137

“The user said they walked out of the screening ‘when Alana flashed Gary," noting "that's assault.’” - a 25 year old woman flashing a 15 year old boy would be considered sexual assault.

“Describing the limitations in the relationship between Alana and Gary, Anderson said: "It's only romantic in their flirtations; it's not romantic in any consummation of things. That would be inappropriate. You can tell there's an incredible attraction between them, but there's a line that can't be crossed," the director/writer told Variety.” - The writer, and P.T.A., fail to mention that a line is crossed. Alana flashes Gary, and they share a romantic kiss at the end of the film.

https://www.cbr.com/licorice-pizza-ending-ruins-movie/ A rundown of the events in the film and a conversation on grooming/pedophilia.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10344871/Licorice-Pizza-garners-Twitter-controversy-racist-behavior-age-gap-romance.html Article discussing the public response to the film’s grooming and pedophilia.

https://www.thethings.com/alana-haim-bradley-cooper-licorice-pizza-outcry/ Article discussing the public response to the film’s grooming and pedophilia. Bussyriot (talk) 00:32, 2 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Here is an article that refutes these claims. Since when is a kiss "pedophilia"? How does the Alana character "manipulate, exploit and abuse" the Gary character? Cullen328 (talk) 00:14, 2 January 2022 (UTC)


 * A 25 year old person romantically kissing a 15 year old person is pedophilia.

The Alana character is an adult who flashes a 15 year old boy and maintains a relationship with him because she is attracted to him. This culminates in an ending where they share a romantic kiss and acknowledge the start of their relationship. The Alana character manipulates a child into a relationship with her, which is emotionally and psychologically abusive. Bussyriot (talk) 00:32, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * , have you seen the film? Isn't he the aggressive, manipulative character, not her? Plus, the events in the folm unfold over a couple of years, so he is probably 17 when the kiss takes place. Can you provide a realiable source for your claim that a kiss constitutes pedophilia? Cullen328 (talk) 01:28, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder that describes sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Gary is not prepubescent. Cullen328 (talk) 01:33, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Just weighing in as there has been some emotion-charged commentary - obviously this is not pedophilia apologetics, as it was simply pointing out a lie and was neither defending pedophilia nor the appropriateness about what happens in the film. Also it should be noted that there was no manipulation/grooming in the film, aside from unacceptability of being 25 and engaging romantically with a 15 year old, which no one is disputing. End of story. YouCanDoBetter (talk) 06:29, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

You sound like a pedophilia apologist. Bussyriot (talk) 20:58, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

The relationship is platonic at first and becomes romantic in 1976 when the male lead turns 18. You should Watch the film before you make such an acusation, but I suppose you're too busy stuffing Marvel crap down your throat to apreciate a film like this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.255.237.113 (talk) 12:29, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Let's keep it civil, and not stoop to that level. One user engaged in a logical fallacy, it's already been addressed above, and it's not going to help to level insults at that user. YouCanDoBetter (talk) 07:15, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * In the end they meet in front of a movie theater, with the billboard advertising "James Bond - Live and Let Die", from 1973. So the whole movie took place in 1973. Which makes the character of Gary definitely underage. 2001:4649:F708:0:3173:65C7:2740:C6D7 (talk) 22:44, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Title
Is the term "licorice pizza" ever referenced in the film? I've done some research, apparently it's obscure slang for a vinyl record (LP) and there was also a chain of record stores by that name. Maikel (talk) 12:28, 4 February 2022 (UTC)