Talk:Lidia Bastianich

Archives
The previous discussions, which mainly related to Bastianich’s cultural and ethnic origins vis-à-vis her place of birth, have been archived here as per Wikipedia’s talk archiving policies. Rather that restart that discussion, most editor’s should find what they’re looking for there without needing to begin such discussion anew. — SpikeToronto (talk) 18:36, 5 August 2009 (UTC) She was born Lidia Motika and not Matticchio. Hahaha, how many stories she has to invent just to pretend to be Italian.

Stub
The biography of a living person box at the top of this talk page classifies this article as a stub, which it no longer is. Does anyone now how to get the WikiProject Biography and the WikiProject Food and drink to reclassify the article so that it no longer indicates that it is a stub? Thanks! — SpikeToronto (talk) 18:25, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

P.S. I’m only referring to the talk page since the article page does not indicate that the entry is a stub. — SpikeToronto (talk) 18:28, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Edits of 2009-09-07 that should be reverted
A series of anonymous edits made on September 7, 2009, should be reverted for several reasons:

8. How is it posssible for the family to have fled in 1958 from Istria to Italy and then two years later flee to New York, also in 1958? — SpikeToronto (talk) 01:58, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) This is not an article about Istrians/Croatians in America, it is an article about a particular individual who identifies as Italian and settled in New York.
 * 2) Many of the insertions — such as statments about Istrian/Croatian settlement patterns in New York City — had nothing to do with the citations in the article, thus rendering the references given at the end of sentences incorrect and no longer applicable. In fact, all the statements were now essentially unsourced.
 * 3) The unsourced statements regarding Istrian/Croatian settlement patterns in NYC are better suited to a separate article.
 * 4) As it is, they and their impact on this family’s settlement decisions are original research contrary to Wikipedia policies and guidelines.
 * 5) Entire, sourced and referenced sections of the article were deleted wholesale, deletions which did not contribute to the betterment of the article.
 * 6) While seemingly innocuous in a cursory, edit-by-edit review, the edits are in fact tenditious.
 * 7) Many of the edits added regarding personal issues such as the subject’s divorce are unsourced and violate WP:BLP.

Motika
Can someone please explain why the fact that Lidia Bastianich was born as Lidia Motika was deleted (by an anonymous user?) This fact is not a secret. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 13:36, 25 December 2009 (UTC) I am not sure who is deleting everything, she was born Motika and not Matticchio, why all these lies.

Cooking for Pope Benedict XVI in 2008
I was present at a book signing (11/17/10) of Lidia's at Barnes & Nobles and learned that she cooked for Pope Benedict XVI in 2008. She said that she cooked on Friday evening and two meals after that (Saturday lunch and dinner I presume). She detailed that she cooked a fish dinner on Friday for the Pope but the following article describes it was a Saturday lunch and dinner that included fish (along with a Sunday dinner on the next day). Lydia did not mention specific dates but the following article details her entire experience: http://www.seriouseats.com/2008/04/lidia-bastianich-cooking-for-pope-benedict-xvi-the-menu-revealed.html

Other details were included that the event was not only his birthday but also his anniversary as being elected as Pope (birthday was April 16, papacy began on April 19th).

Lidia not only described the experience but also mentioned that her most memorable person she cooked for was Pope Benedict. This fact should be included in her entry but I do not know if there is enough references available to cite the exact dates. She also mentioned that the Pope did in fact, after asking him directly, say that he found her meal pleasurable and reminded him of his own mother's cooking.

On a side note, she also mentioned she would be appearing on the Today Show on NBC (11/18/10) and The View (11/19/10) which I am also unsure of as these are future events. She also mentioned her future documentary on Bloomberg TV.

To be specific, this information was heard at her book signing at Barnes and Nobles on 11/17/10 in Kingston, NY. The event can be found on her blog here: http://blog.lidiasitaly.com/2010/11/lidia-comes-to-kingston-ny-1117.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brettuthius (talk • contribs) 08:37, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Husband
She has children and grand children, but no mention is made about current of former partners. 76.22.32.86 (talk) 17:59, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

August 2011 Lawsuit
The anonymous edits made on 18 February 2012 are unsourced and potentially biased. According to the guidelines they should be modified or removed. chinkleDC (talk) 03:04, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I have done this. Per WP:BLP policy, such material must be properly sourced, and presented in a neutral manner, to be acceptable - and the notability of such material will depend on the weight given in neutral independent reliable sources. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

The lawsuit and terrible things she did to that woman should be mentioned in the article. She's not even actually Italian or Italian-American at all. http://www.courtroomstrategy.com/2011/08/lawsuit-against-celebrity-chef-lidia-bastianich-will-be-uphill-battle/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.238.240.252 (talk) 06:30, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Pula
Pula/Pola was officially ceded to Yugoslavia on 15 september 1947. --Grifter72 (talk) 14:01, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Treaty of Peace with Italy, 1947--Grifter72 (talk) 06:30, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

How is it possible that Pula is part of the so-called "Italian Kingdom" in 1947, when it ceased to exist in 1946? See: Kingdom of Italy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.60.217.163 (talk) 14:05, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Because Republican Constitution came into force on 1 January 1948.--Grifter72 (talk) 18:31, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

This doesn't answer the question. You claim that Pula was part of the Kingdom of Italy in 1947. However, the Kingdom of Italy ceased to exist in 1946. According to the article on Pula, Post-WWII and modern era, "For several years after 1945, Pula was administered by the United Nations. Istria was partitioned into occupation zones until the region became officially united with the rest of Croatia within the SFR Yugoslavia on 15 September 1947." Hence, I cannot see how one could claim that Pula was part of Italy, or the Kingdom of Italy in 1947. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.60.217.163 (talk) 19:25, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * No, not United Nations. Until 15 September 1947 Pula was an Italian territory occupied by Allied. After, according to the Paris Peace Treaties, become part of Yugoslavia. --Grifter72 (talk) 19:47, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * This is still not perfectly clear. The book you cite as proof in the article (Deskbook of International Criminal Law, by Craig Barker, Taylor & Francis, 20 Dec. 2005) is apparently in English, but you reference it on a Belgian site, in Belgian, and the citation doesn't state a page or pages where it's clearly stated that Pula was part of Italy when Lidia Bastianich was born. It was under some kind of occupation by the Allies, the United States and Great Britain. You need better proof and citations, being said literally by a scholar in a scholarly work. If Barker's work says it, cite the page(s) in the footnote. --- Wikiklrsc (talk) 05:20, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Here you can read the "Treaty of Peace with Italy": http://www.triestfreeport.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Treaty-of-Peace-with-Italy-original.pdf --Grifter72 (talk) 13:36, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * http://books.google.it/books?id=fOUCAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA49&lpg=PA49&dq=lidia+bastianich+%22born+in+italy%22&source=bl&ots=eDbD2VWBEQ&sig=ztScfX1dpyinLCNRk-r-wyVUJWw&hl=it&sa=X&ei=vWwiUK2ABPD14QTej4HgDA&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=lidia%20bastianich%20%22born%20in%20italy%22&f=false --Grifter72 (talk) 13:45, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Your google books link above proves nothing other than perhaps the fact that this is a complex situation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.254.92.214 (talk) 19:53, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

This is your opinion. Facts are clear.--Grifter72 (talk) 12:17, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Italians of Croatia category
This woman is not even actually Italian, she's Croatian and should be just in the category of Croatian people instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.34.201.59 (talk) 21:40, 26 December 2015 (UTC) You are perfectly right, so much lies on this page. Her last name was Motika and not Matticchio. I reckon all this made up stuff is serving someone's agenda.

Agreed. She is not Italian at all, but she and her family are Croatian/Yugoslavian and emigrated to Italy and then the United States.108.52.111.173 (talk) 18:55, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

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remove her from Italian descent
This woman and her ancestors are NOT Italian at all so she should just be put into the category of American people of Croatian descent or people of Croatian descent instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.14.48.207 (talk) 19:57, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

yes she is Croatian. She was on that PBS show "Finding your Roots". She has always claimed that the Yugoslavs changed her families last name from Matticchio to Motika. Research on the show revealed that this is false. Her original family name is Motika and that it was changed by the family themselves, I guess in hope to get themselves out of Yugoslavia and into Italy. She identifies herself as Italian but DNA taken from her on the show proved that she has 70% Croatian/Slavic blood in her. If this is not proof enough that she isn t a true Italian, I don t know what else is. She simply calls herself an Italian because it makes her more money as a famous "Italian" cook than if she was honest and said that she was Croatian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.14.48.207 (talk) 13:30, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

DNA tests also show that Bosnians, Croatians and Serbians are all the same. And yet if someone who was born with the name of Giuliana, and comes from a family that spoke Italian and identified themselves as Italian supposedly has "Croatian" DNA oh yes she's absolutely Croatian, the history of the Balkans has been falsified, etc. You guys are worse than shameless. Wannabe rockstar (talk) 21:33, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

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One of your recipes
One of your recipes They called for ribs Italian sausage and something else and it was served on rigatoni I made it once and I lost your recipe and it was delicious and cherry peppers that’s what got me! 2601:2C1:8000:5F80:982C:77D0:2B5D:7F59 (talk) 23:45, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

"Yugoslav-occupied Italy" is wrong.
Before Italian fascists annexed Istria, it had been a part of Yugoslavia before WWII and had a majority Croatian population. Trieste had been occupied by the Yugoslav People's Army, and was returned to Italy. But at the time Bastianich was born, Pola/Pula had been a legal territory of SFR of Yugoslavia, and was not "occupied." Under international law, Yugoslavia was entitled to keep Trieste, since Italian invasion constituted a war of aggression,and Yugoslavia having liberated itself from the Nazi occupation, was therefore entitled to keep the areas of Italy it occupied as part of its resistance to fascism. They did not, however, and withdrew from Trieste. To claim that Pola was "Yugoslav-occupied" in 1947 is to repeat fascist propaganda. The people who live in Croatia on the coast are not invaders or occupiers. Genetically, the entire region from Bosnia to Northern Italy groups together as an ancient population that lived in this area for thousands of years. Historiaantiqua (talk) 23:58, 8 January 2024 (UTC)