Talk:Lie to Me/Archive 1

Midseason Replacement?
What exactly did it replace? Jarwulf (talk) 22:11, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Intro
Concerning this addition to the opening paragraph:
 * Dr. Ekman and his colleague, Dr. Maureen O'Sullivan, identified "naturals" in what is known as The Wizards Project, which identified 50 people with the ability to spot deception after testing 20,000 people from all walks of life. In real life, they call these "naturals" Truth Wizards, or wizards of deception detection .

Ekman's work is already mentioned in the Ekman article. Since it is linked to already in the introduction, the above part about their work has been removed. It concerns their work and not specifically the show -- maybe it should be on the Lie To Me page, but certainly not in the opening paragraph. Note that Ekman's page identifies more work than the Wizard's Project, so the inclusion of it here implies that's all they did and thus they deserved a show, not necessarily. What are your thoughts? CaptainMorgan (talk) 05:55, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * My thought is that you shouldn't just remove a pice of an article like that,if you think that it should be in the article, but not where it was, you had two options (my thoghts): 1- You rewrite it elswhre. 2-You discuss it here, before removing it.189.26.208.149 (talk) 12:26, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Torres's Boyfriend
Whatever happened to her boyfriend after the season 1 finale. Did he die after the attacks....did they break up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.228.52.2 (talk) 16:49, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Not white-collar
 Cal and Ria handle high-profile murder/deception cases throughout the season, while Gillian and Eli focus more on white-collar crimes (such as a basketball player accused of taking bribes and the firemen accused of hazing).

Wait, if I recall that episode correctly the Fireman that was hazed had been murdered, and that they initially went in to investigate the murder only to discover the hazing later on. How is that "white-collar"? --204.10.44.254 (talk) 19:58, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Agreed that "white-collar" is an inaccurate description. Moreover, the entire sentence is wrong and inaccurate (the pairings switch, depending on the episode), so I am removing the sentence entirely. —Lowellian (reply) 09:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Illegal Links
An anonymous user keeps adding a link to the External Links section which leads to a site to watch the show for free. This is against the law in and of itself. Additionally, the site requires potential viewers to complete a survey in order to support the site, which counts as advertising, against Wikipedia rules. Please keep an eye on the External Links section for infringing links. Antiaverage (talk) 03:48, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Infringing IP addresses:
 * 87.64.255.9
 * 84.197.121.134

Not necessarily cheating
I changed Dr. Foster's entry to reflect what is actually happening in the series. We don't know that her husband is cheating on her. We only know that he is lying about working late and that he met a woman. This isn't enough to conclude that he is in fact cheating on her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.208.165.242 (talk) 17:50, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Please guys, let's all remember that this is Wikipedia. If you want to give plot details, you have to cite them...as well as everything else.
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.123.222.141 (talk) 07:11, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Truth Wizard external link
I have added an external link to a web page of a Truth Wizard, and it has been deleted. I think people would be interested in this information. What do others think? --Wallagong (talk) 20:46, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Rating
Can we move the "Rating" to the episodes page? I think that would be better! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnny0929 (talk • contribs) 22:39, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Primary topic
I propose making Lie to Me (TV series) the primary topic for Lie to Me. Using http://stats.grok.se/ I determined that this is by far the most visited page under Lie to Me. Here are the view numbers for March and April of 2009: Lie to Me (TV series)= 158,025 views. The other pages don't even scratch 5,000 for that same time period. User:Sorebearmat (T/C) 23:27, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I think I did this. User:Sorebearmat (T/C) 00:06, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Making the TV series the primary topic sounds fine to me. However, you did not quite do the moves correctly. If this is the primary topic, and the disambiguation page is at "Lie to Me (disambiguation)", then this article does not need the disambiguation phrase "(TV series)". I have fixed this. —Lowellian (reply) 08:49, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Cool, thanks! I wasn't quite sure how to do that. User:Sorebearmat (T/C) 00:28, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Main Characters
I am not sure the criteria or routine, but from watching the show (at least from the last few episodes) FBI agent Ben Reynolds seemed like a main character. Is it because he is just a guest star that he was moved to recurring? Any ideas or insight? User:Sorebearmat (T/C) 02:21, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * "Main character" status is determined by the network and/or the producers, and involves the contract status of the actor portraying the character. It is not a function of screen time, apparent importance to the plot, or fan opinion. If the actor playing Reynolds is billed as a "guest star", then it is not a "main" role - no matter how many scenes he may appear in. Hope this helps. --Ckatz chat spy  02:27, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Alright, that makes sense. User:Sorebearmat (T/C) 02:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Plot
I've added a little text taken from Fox.com concerning the "about" section of that site. The previous Plot section here as it was, implies that the plot is centered only around Lightman and Torres. I think the first episode really exposed Torres' talent, but each thereafter we saw more exposure concerning Torres only as a small portion to the bigger picture, that being what the current episode was about (bomb, murder, stealing, etc.). Either way, the plot delved into the other characters just as much (with the exception being a larger level of exposure for Foster moreso than Loker), so the exclusion of them from the Plot section is misleading. Even with this addition, the plot could be dramatically enhanced and seems to be a sore spot for this article... let's improve it. :) Anyone got anything they want to add?  CaptainMorgan (talk) 05:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Text from Fox site
The following: Based on the real-life scientific discoveries of Paul Ekman, the series follows Lightman and his team of deception experts as they assist law enforcement and government agencies to expose the truth behind the lies. is taken verbatim from this siteAutarch (talk) 03:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Number of episodes
Only 24 have aired, so why is it listed as 36?  Enigma msg  06:23, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * fixed now  Enigma msg  17:10, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Radical Honesty
I'm not sure that the reference to Loker's practice of radical honesty should be in the present tense; after the first few episodes, this was downplayed dramatically so that (even discounting his obvious and deliberate lies) he doesn't appear to be any more honest than any other character. Any other thoughts? --wintermute (talk) 12:31, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea, this plot device seems to have been dropped. – xeno talk 12:57, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I would also agree, he no longer stands out all that much from other characters as especially honest. He does sometimes very frankly explain things to people and includes all the gory details, though this seems more of an expository device.  If you would forgive me speculating on a fictional character, it's plausible that his big lie in season one combined with other events severely rattled his faith in this concept, and made him quite bitter and less trusting.  At the very least he may have simply decided he should keep his thoughts to himself more.Legitimus (talk) 14:40, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The trouble with making an edit that reflects evaluation of the change is that we're in WP:POV and WP:OR territory. Far better to remove any reference to it, particularly since it doesn't seem to have had any long-term significance in the overall narrative, than to try to interpret how the character has changed or his honesty evolved.  Frankly, it was a minor plot point that was more silly and annoying than anything else, as well as probably hard to sustain, which is why it's gone.   Drmargi (talk) 15:06, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Theme song
The theme song of this show is popular, so can we put in a small section on who wrote the theme, etc.? --Quatermass (talk) 18:42, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Like - Album 11:59 - track 'Brand New Day' by Ryan Star. --Quatermass (talk) 18:45, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I was going to suggest you put that information in the infobox, but it's already there. Is there more to say about the song (i.e. enough information/sourcing to warrant a whole section)? --Six words (talk) 19:01, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Duh. I didn't notice it was in the info box! My apologises. --Quatermass (talk) 19:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)