Talk:Liechtenstein/Defense Responsibility Emails

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Email to Embassy of Liechtenstein at Washington, D.C.
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Dear xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,

Thank you very much for your message.

As you have already been informed by the Embassy of Switzerland, there = is indeed no defense agreement between the two countries.

Please let me know if you have any additional questions.

Sincerely,

Tamara B=FCchel-Brunhart =20 Assistant to the Ambassador=20 =20 Embassy of Liechtenstein                   =20 888 17th Street, NW                          =20 Suite 1250                                        =20 Washington, DC 20006                    =20 Tel: (202) 331 0590                          =20

Fax: (202) 331 3221 Email: tamara.brunhart@was.rep.llv.li=20 =20 www.washington.liechtenstein.li =20

-Original Message- From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:16 PM To: tamara.brunhart@was.rep.llv.li Subject: Query as to the responsibility for defense of Liechtenstein

Hello,

My name is xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and I am a editor on Wikipedia known as = User:Copysan.

Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia constructed by thousands of online contributors. It has grown to include over nine million articles in 250 languages with over two million articles in the English version alone. Additionally, Wikipedia is among the top 10 sites visited daily by Internet users, according to the Alexa Traffic Report. [1]

I am contacting you because there is currently a dispute on the Wikipedia page for Liechtenstein regarding who holds the responsibility for defending Liechtenstein in event of an attack on the country.

The Wikipedia article for Liechtenstein says "According to the CIA World Factbook, defense is the responsibility of Switzerland.However, this can be considered a myth since no official sources of either Switzerland or Liechtenstein supporting this claim are published. Specifically, no defense treaty is mentioned in the very detailed description of the bilateral relationships of the two countries provided on Liechtenstein's official website." [2]

I am wondering which version of the events is true and which should be reported in Wikipedia.

I believe that this matter is of great importance to the people of Liechtenstein because the Wikipedia article is the first page to come up from a Google search of the term "Liechtenstein". [3] This would suggest that a typical Internet user's source of information for your country would be Wikipedia, thus I believe it important to get this fact right.

Additionally, this article is included in the Release Versions of Wikipedia, which aims to place the online articles of Wikipedia into a more tangible form of a DVD or print. Thus, any assertions made in the article will be made permanent in these forms, so any inaccuracies in these versions will continue on. Thus, I believe it is important to exise these errors and correct them as soon as possible.

If there are any other errors in this article, please forward your concerns to me.

I look forward to working with you or one of your staff members on the Liechtenstein article for Wikipedia.

--=20 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Sources: [1]: Alexa Traffic Report. Accessed 2008-03-05. http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/en.wikipedia.org [2]: Liechtenstein, Wikipedia, Accessed 2008-03-05. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DLiechtenstein&oldid=3D1960425= 93#Mili tary [3]: Liechtenstein, Google. = http://www.google.com/search?q=3DLiechtenstein

Email to Embassy of Switzerland at Washington, D.C.
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Dear xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:

Thank you for contacting the Embassy of Switzerland and your notification concerning the information in the Wikipedia article covering Liechtenstein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liechtenstein  . Switzerland is in fact not responsible for defending Liechtenstein in an attack.  Therefore, the statement "According to the CIA World Factbook, defense is the responsibility of Switzerland." is incorrect.  Since the text is about Liechtenstein, I recommend to contact the Embassy of Liechtenstein directly to see if there are any further mistakes within the Wikipedia article. =20

Embassy of the Principality of Liechtenstein 888 17th Street, NW Suite 1250 Washington, DC 20006 USA Telephone: (+1) 202 331 0590 Fax: (+1) 202 331 3221 Website: http://www.liechtenstein.li/en/fl-aussenstelle-washington-home =20

Please do write back if you have any further questions.

With best regards, Sandra Mueller ___________________________________________________________

Sandra Mueller Communications Coordinator

Communications Office Embassy of Switzerland 2900 Cathedral Ave, NW, Washington, DC 20008 USA Tel: +1 (202) 745 7908 Fax: +1 (202) 387 2564 E-Mail:  sandra.mueller@eda.admin.ch =20 Embassy's website: www.swissemb.org .

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-Original Message- From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:22 PM To: _EDA-Vertretung Washington D.C. Subject: Query as to the responsibility for defense of Liechtenstein

Hello,

My name is xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and I am a editor on Wikipedia known as User:Copysan.

Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia constructed by thousands of online contributors. It has grown to include over nine million articles in 250 languages with over two million articles in the English version alone. Additionally, Wikipedia is among the top 10 sites visited daily by Internet users, according to the Alexa Traffic Report. [1]

I am contacting you because there is currently a dispute on the Wikipedia page for Liechtenstein regarding who holds the responsibility for defending Liechtenstein in event of an attack on the country.

The Wikipedia article for Liechtenstein says "According to the CIA World Factbook, defense is the responsibility of Switzerland.However, this can be considered a myth since no official sources of either Switzerland or Liechtenstein supporting this claim are published. Specifically, no defense treaty is mentioned in the very detailed description of the bilateral relationships of the two countries provided on Liechtenstein's official website." [2]

I am wondering which version of the events is true and which should be reported in Wikipedia.

I believe that this matter is of great importance to the people of Switzerland because the Wikipedia article is the first page to come up from a Google search of the term "Liechtenstein". [3] This would suggest that a typical Internet user's primary source of information for that country's relationship to Switzerland would be Wikipedia, thus I believe it important to get this fact right.

Additionally, this article is included in the Release Versions of Wikipedia, which aims to place the online articles of Wikipedia into a more tangible form of a DVD or print. Thus, any assertions made in the article will be made permanent in these forms, so any inaccuracies in these versions will continue on. Thus, I believe it is important to exise these errors and correct them as soon as possible.

If there are any other errors regarding the relationship between Switzerland and Liechtenstein in this article, please forward your concerns to me.

I look forward to working with you or one of your staff members on the Liechtenstein article for Wikipedia.

-- xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Sources: [1]: Alexa Traffic Report. Accessed 2008-03-05. http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/en.wikipedia.org <http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/en.wikipedia.org>=20 [2]: Liechtenstein, Wikipedia, Accessed 2008-03-05. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DLiechtenstein&oldid=3D1960425= 93# Military <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DLiechtenstein&oldid=3D196042= 593 [3]: Liechtenstein, Google. Accessed 2008-03-05. http://www.google.com/search?q=3DLiechtenstein <http://www.google.com/search?q=3DLiechtenstein>=20
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Additionally, Wikipedia is among the top 10 = sites=20 visited daily<BR>by Internet users, according to the Alexa Traffic = Report.=20 [1]<BR><BR>I am contacting you because there is currently a dispute on=20 the<BR>Wikipedia page for Liechtenstein regarding who holds=20 the<BR>responsibility for defending Liechtenstein in event of an attack=20 on<BR>the country.<BR><BR>The Wikipedia article for Liechtenstein says=20 "According to the CIA<BR>World Factbook, defense is the responsibility = of=20 Switzerland.However,<BR>this can be considered a myth since no official = sources=20 of either<BR>Switzerland or Liechtenstein supporting this claim are=20 published.<BR>Specifically, no defense treaty is mentioned in the very=20 detailed<BR>description of the bilateral relationships of the two=20 countries<BR>provided on Liechtenstein's official website." 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