Talk:Liechtenstein at the 1936 Summer Olympics/GA1

GA Review
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Nominator: 05:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: PCN02WPS (talk · contribs) 23:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Lead and infobox
 * Summer Olympic Games is dupelinked in the first sentence, which is also a little repetitive: "...at the Summer Olympic Games at the 1936 Summer Olympics" - just remove "at the Summer Olympic Games"
 * second sentence switches from past to present tense, maybe "as the Liechtenstein Olympic Committee had been founded the year prior" or something like that?
 * last sentence is missing a word or needs a semicolon
 * Infobox says "Nazi Germany" while lead says "Germany"
 * last sentence is missing a word or needs a semicolon
 * Infobox says "Nazi Germany" while lead says "Germany"
 * Infobox says "Nazi Germany" while lead says "Germany"

Background
 * "It is the nation's second appearance" → switch to past tense
 * "sending four athletes to the competition" → sticks out a bit, recommend reword or separate sentence
 * "The Liechtenstein delegation composed of nine people" → "composed of nine people" doesn't make sense, either needs an extra word or a different word than "composed"
 * "who served as the president of the committee for the Games" → a couple things: (1) I am not a fan of "served as" since it is almost always simpler to just say "was" (see WP:SERVEDAS for a little more info on that) and (2) what committee?
 * "Schreiber was the last athlete for Liechtenstein to compete at the Games" → this doesn't make sense to me. Are you saying he was the last guy from Liechtenstein to compete at these Olympics (if so, this seems like an irrelevant detail that doesn't say much about him at all, since it's likely just an indication that his event was scheduled last) or the last one ever (which is not true, of course)?
 * Last sentence of "Delegation" needs to be rewritten - also change "it's" to "its" since "after it is second participation" is ungrammatical
 * "it was noticed" → to what does "it" refer? Who noticed this?
 * "Schreiber was the last athlete for Liechtenstein to compete at the Games" → this doesn't make sense to me. Are you saying he was the last guy from Liechtenstein to compete at these Olympics (if so, this seems like an irrelevant detail that doesn't say much about him at all, since it's likely just an indication that his event was scheduled last) or the last one ever (which is not true, of course)?
 * Last sentence of "Delegation" needs to be rewritten - also change "it's" to "its" since "after it is second participation" is ungrammatical
 * "it was noticed" → to what does "it" refer? Who noticed this?
 * Last sentence of "Delegation" needs to be rewritten - also change "it's" to "its" since "after it is second participation" is ungrammatical
 * "it was noticed" → to what does "it" refer? Who noticed this?
 * "it was noticed" → to what does "it" refer? Who noticed this?

Athletics
 * First sentence is repetitive ("Before the Games, Liechtenstein held trials for athletics events before their debut in the Summer Olympics"
 * "namely" sounds like you're picking them out of a larger list, this word is unnecessary
 * How large were the heats? I know the tracks are only eight(?) lanes now, but were they larger/smaller then? This helps to put a sixth-place finish in context
 * ✅ Put "they both placed last", therefore one can know there were only six lanes/six racers per heat. Also put for the 200 metres section.
 * Starting in the third paragraph, the year is not necessary since you've given it already and the reader will know by now that we're talking about the '36 Games
 * ✅ Put "they both placed last", therefore one can know there were only six lanes/six racers per heat. Also put for the 200 metres section.
 * Starting in the third paragraph, the year is not necessary since you've given it already and the reader will know by now that we're talking about the '36 Games

Cycling
 * "who would compete" → "who competed"
 * "Schreiber competed in his event" → "The event took place"
 * "on 10 August 1936, where the race spanned" → "where" seems an odd word to use here, and I'd also recommend a sentence break after "1936"
 * Since his time is unknown, I'd avoid using "eventually" since it could give a reader the impression that it took him a while to finish
 * "between 39–94" → recommend making these ordinals and replacing the dash with "and"
 * "Liechtenstein entered three athletes into Olympic competition" → perhaps "Olympic shooting competition" or "Liechtenstein entered three shooters"?
 * "who would all compete" → "who all competed"
 * "All three competed in their event on 8 August 1936" → "The event was held on 8 August..." or "The event took place..."
 * Recommend mentioning in prose that Hilty and Senti finished tied since that's in the table but not referenced there
 * "Liechtenstein entered three athletes into Olympic competition" → perhaps "Olympic shooting competition" or "Liechtenstein entered three shooters"?
 * "who would all compete" → "who all competed"
 * "All three competed in their event on 8 August 1936" → "The event was held on 8 August..." or "The event took place..."
 * Recommend mentioning in prose that Hilty and Senti finished tied since that's in the table but not referenced there
 * "All three competed in their event on 8 August 1936" → "The event was held on 8 August..." or "The event took place..."
 * Recommend mentioning in prose that Hilty and Senti finished tied since that's in the table but not referenced there
 * Recommend mentioning in prose that Hilty and Senti finished tied since that's in the table but not referenced there
 * Recommend mentioning in prose that Hilty and Senti finished tied since that's in the table but not referenced there

That's all on first look, pinging co-nom as well. PCN02WPS ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 23:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)


 * TheBritinator will handle the rest of the review. Arconning (talk) 08:27, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Handled the rest of the review. Let me know if anything else needs to be done. TheBritinator (talk) 17:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Just a follow up on the review since we're done addressing the issues :) Arconning (talk) 06:15, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @PCN02WPS Just another follow up lol Arconning (talk) 06:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Arconning @TheBritinator thank you both for your patience and very sorry to have delayed this so much - I will have this done by tonight. PCN02WPS  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 01:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

A couple more prose issues I spotted on a second read-through:
 * Semicolon should be a colon in the lead's second paragraph
 * ✅, though used a comma instead to be more grammatically correct. Let me know if you have a problem with this.


 * "it was noticed by the respective delegations" is an unnecessarily wordy way to say this - you can just simplify to "the delegations of Haiti and Liechtenstein noticed..." or something like that


 * "Two athletes were present" -- at the trials or at the Olympics? Is there any more detail available about the trials or about Frick and Ospelt's performances at the trials?
 * ✅, also no other details about the trials.


 * Second sentence of the second paragraph of "Athletics" needs to be reworded or split, since the last clause of that sentence is ungrammatical as written


 * In "Shooting", the last sentence of paragraph 1 and the first sentence of paragraph 2 begin identically and can probably be combined.

Just a few more things, then we should be good to go. PCN02WPS ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 21:51, 24 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @PCN02WPS Done. TheBritinator (talk) 11:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @TheBritinator a comma in the first point is not grammatical - either need a semicolon or a full stop and a new sentence (Or a reword). As for the trials - I’m not convinced that the source for the trials conveys that those two were the only two athletes that competed at the trials. Issue with the sentence in “Athletics” still remains. The sentence in “Shooting” was combined but still has repetition that can be removed. PCN02WPS  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 13:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Arconning May you please handle this? TheBritinator (talk) 13:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Will do. Arconning (talk) 13:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @PCN02WPS Last question. For clarification, what new sentence for the lead? Arconning (talk) 13:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Me and TheBritinator have reworded the sentence in the lead, please be more clear on what you need from the newer sentence if a comment is needed once more. For the "Athletics" section, just mentioned that both athletes competed at the trials to avoid conveying that. Also reworded the part of the section. "Shooting", removed the "was held" repetition, if that's what you were saying. Arconning (talk) 16:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Arconning The last sentence in the lead contains two independent clauses joined by a comma, which is ungrammatical. Independent clauses may only be joined by (1) a semicolon or (2) a comma and coordinating conjunction. Your third option in this case is to replace the comma with a full stop and split the sentence into two. One of these three things will need to happen for the sentence to be grammatical. PCN02WPS  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 16:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @PCN02WPS If you're referring to the last sentence in the first paragraph of the lead, I believe it's okay now. :) Arconning (talk) 17:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)