Talk:Lightning (Final Fantasy)/GA1

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Reviewer: PresN (talk · contribs) 17:38, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Claiming this review; I'll be starting on it shortly. -- Pres N  17:38, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Images
Four fair-use, which is pushing it. The sizes of the images is fine, and I agree with using the FF13 image as the lead, but the fair-use rationales should be more detailed- not just "to give the reader a look at the character", but "to depict Lightning in the way she is typically seen in her original incarnation. The visual depiction of the character is critical to the topic of the character's article, and cannot be fully replaced witha textual description.", or something to that effect.

Stability
There's a lot of edits since the article was nominated, but none in the last few days and no edit wars, so stable.

Lead

 * "She is the sole playable character Lightning Returns" - in
 * "She took the code name "Lightning" to escape the vulnerabilities and insecurities of her former self" - "former self" is awkward, maybe "She took the code name "Lightning" to distance herself from her vulnerabilities and insecurities"
 * That last link is redirecting

Character design

 * re-link Nomura and Toriyama; links in the lead don't count towards double-linking
 * "Nomura could include far more detail in her design" - "than characters for previous games"
 * "due to spacing issues" - space issues isn't the same thing as spacing issues
 * "in the sequel, Isamu Kamikokuryo did the final design" - just Kamikokuryo, you've already said his name
 * "Interestingly, her outfit was redone" - Drop the interestingly, it's a WP:EDITORIALIZING term without any meaning- if it wasn't interesting you wouldn't have mentioned it.
 * science-fiction is just science fiction, no hyphen
 * "atmosphere: the final design" - semicolon, not colon
 * "Her outfit in Lightning Returns was designed by Tetsuya Nomura" - just Nomura
 * I like the wording on Note 1; that really doesn't make sense the way he said it, does it.
 * Link FF7, you haven't done so yet
 * why not link videogamer.com and 1UP.com?
 * Since the ref is dead I can't check, but for ' "serious," "unforgiving," "relentless," and "a kind of individualistic person," in direct contrast', you don't stick the comma inside the quote mark unless the original quote had a period there. (so, "serious", "unforgiving", "relentless", and "a kind of individualistic person", in direct contrast
 * "In a later interview, it was stated" - number 1, who stated that, and number 2, the source for this sentence doesn't say that at all.

Appearances
Link the FF13, FF13-2, and LR:FF13 that start their respective paragraphs
 * "In Final Fantasy XIII: Episode Zero: Promise" - say what this is: is it DLC? A short story?
 * "as a l'Cie - a human" - despite what I'm doing in this review, it should be an unspaced mdash: "as a l'Cie—a human", and the same after "limit"
 * "rescued by Oerba Yun Fang and the Cavalry" - define what the Cavalry is
 * "Final Fantasy XIII: Episode i" - again, define what this is
 * "as a direct result of Etro" - "the Goddess Etro"
 * You can link Final Fantasy in Itadaki Street Mobile to Fortune Street (or create a redirect)
 * " Lightning and other characters from Final Fantasy XIII-2, were featured in" - no comma

Reception

 * Right at the end, link PAX Prime 2013 to Penny Arcade Expo

Other

 * Makes me happy to see someone else using list-defined-refs (i.e. having the references all in the references section instead of scattered through the article)
 * Your dates are all inconsistent in the references- pick either yyyy-mm-dd (e.g. 2013-10-30) or Month day, year (e.g. October 30, 2013). Pretty sure that dd-mm-yyyy is not a valid format, nor is mm/dd/yyyy, since they can get confusing to american/european readers.
 * Also, either have all authors be last name, first name, or first last - you're doing both. Last, first is preferred. (in the reference, do |last=name |first=name
 * Fix the allcaps in ref 1
 * ref 2 - the translation link is dead
 * Link IGN, RPGamer, Famitsu, Game Informer, etc. consistently in references
 * Pick either Andriasang or Andriasang.com, you're using both
 * Ref 13 needs a publisher (microsoft)
 * ref 22 is dead
 * Ref 32,36,47- you link the dev/consoles for these quotes, but no others- be consistent
 * re 39 - I'm cringing at using some random person's blog as a translation source
 * ref 40 - needs a publisher (Sony)
 * Ref 60,62 - author
 * ref 95 -link Forbes, and italicize since it's a magazine too

And that's it! I think it's all doable, so I'll put the nomination on hold while you work on it. -- Pres N  19:38, 30 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I think I've done them all. I did my best with the image infoboxes, but doing that kind of thing is not my forte. Maybe you could find someone who can do that kind of thing if it's still not acceptable. If not, we can talk about how the images can be sorted out. I did what you said about the authors, except where it was a single-word pseudonym (Siliconera) or multiple authors (IGN Best FF Characters). Oh, by the way, is there anything wrong with this reference on what a professional blogger thought of the character? Niemti deleted it without explanation. (I put it back in, then removed it as I thought the matter should be settled before it was returned or left out). --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:57, 30 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, you missed a bunch of date formatting, but I just did it myself. Looks good, overall! Good job getting to them all so quickly.


 * As far as the source goes, yeah, that's no good. That site doesn't pay it's writers, and accepts contributions from anyone who is a halfway-decent writer that submits stuff the owners like. They're not a "professional blogger" - they're a grad student who posts essays at a few sites, so there's nothing that makes the site in general or the post in specific as an RS. If you have anything that contradicts that, like RSs referring to the site as good, or the specific writer having some notability that's one thing, but without that, no.


 * Since everything is done, I'm going to pass the article. Consider archiving all of the online sources- it's a pain to do, but it's a bigger pain to track down/make archive links once the urls are dead. Not a requirement though, by any means. -- Pres N  22:47, 30 October 2013 (UTC)