Talk:Lightship Ambrose

LV16 Pirate attack?
A recent AP story had this quote in it: "...there had not been a major pirate prosecution in the United States since 1885, when the American ship Ambrose Light was attacked by pirates." Reference: I think they're referring to this ship, as the modern day lightstation is called Ambrose Light. However, Google brings up nothing. Anyone have some information about this event? If Lightvessel is correct, this would probably have been LV16, which isn't mentioned at all in this article. Lack Thereof (talk) 04:03, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see mention of "LV16" in the lightvessel article. If you can find any information on other ships that served as the Ambrose Light, please add.  I think the article just covers two ships that served there, and no piracy, simply because no one with other sources has added anything.  The news article could be used to add at least a mention of piracy. doncram (talk) 23:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You have confused your ships, see here Benea (talk) 01:31, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Complaint
This article is repetitive, confusing, and poorly written. It needs some introduction. Confuted 02:53, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It has evolved since then. See "Focus of article" section below for current discussion.doncram (talk) 17:18, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Given or sold?
In one place we say, In 1968, the United States Coast Guard donated the ship to the South Street Seaport Museum, then later it says, was sold to the South Street Seaport Museum, and cited reference says, ... until 1968 when she was given to South Street Seaport Museum. I assume we can take given to mean donated, but it would nice to have some additional reference which confirmed this.-- RoySmith (talk) 03:56, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Just changed it to "given" as that is the verbiage from the NRHP application. Although I wouldn't be at all surprised if $1 changed hands making it a sail, er, sale. --J Clear (talk) 00:24, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Photo needed
The article has old photo of Ambrose at sea which is nice. But need some of Ambrose at South Street seaport, recently.
 * OK, we have several photos now (and check commons:Category:Lightship Ambrose for more).--Pharos (talk) 06:38, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Focus of article and relationship to related articles
There's a distinction to be made between Lightship Ambrose, the location / station that was served by numerous lightships, vs. the various ships that actually served there and/or were actually named Lightship Ambrose. It seems to me that there is room for an article about the station which lists all the various ships that served there, and for separate articles about each of those ships.

While someone's simply deleting the infobox just now, which has been restored, seems unfriendly, I accept the implicit point that one article, perhaps this one, should be about the station, and that the infobox should be moved elsewhere.

By the way, currently the infobox is messed up. The top part describes a ship built in 1952, the bottom part describes a ship built much earlier that is the NHL. The top and bottom photos may both be of the same, older ship, but i am not sure.

What are the related articles that exist now, or that should be created? doncram (talk) 17:18, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The article is now focused on the ships, and somewhat better organized. I seperated the 1952 infobox from the NRHP infobox for the older ship and reordered them.  Not sure why those were merged, other than to make them the same width. I also set up some redirects from what would be the normal titles of single ship articles and the ship index to point here. It is not unusual that this article mentions the station, in the context of the ships.  If it were extensive, splitting that to Ambrose Station might make sense.  That article might still make sense as a parent article for the Ships and Lights. --J Clear (talk) 23:53, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Update this page??
Would it be logical to format this page to look more like:

United_States_lightship_Portsmouth_(LV-101)

The builder is:

New_York_Shipbuilding_Company

according to:

National Park Service Maritime Landmarks

CONSTRUCTION AND CAREER OF NO. 87

The first lightship on the coasts of North America was placed on station marking a shoal at the entrance to the Elizabeth River near Portsmouth, Virginia, in 1820. Built as one of a five- vessel contract by the New York Shipbuilding Co. of Camden, New Jersey, a firm of considerable reputation and ability that successfully built a number of vessel for the U.S. Government, including battleships and other naval vessels, No. 87 was laid down and launched in 1907.

Zizanie13 (talk) 21:47, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Communications
My Grandfather was a communications officer on the Ambrose many years ago and I was wondering if there is a resourse where I can review all the ships personell over the years. I heard many sotires growing up about his time on the ship —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.206.241.5 (talk) 14:08, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

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