Talk:Lihou/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: ТимофейЛееСуда (talk · contribs) 12:23, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

I will be conducting this review. -- Тимофей  Лее  Суда . 12:23, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Review
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria


 * 1) Is it reasonably well written?
 * A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:
 * Article contains some prose issues and needs minor copy-editing. See prose review below.
 * B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
 * Article fails WP:Alleged (part of WP:MoS). There are 5 uses of the word "possibly" which could mean that the fact is inaccurate or could be WP:OR. See prose review below for more specific information about this.
 * 1) Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
 * A. Has an appropriate reference section:
 * B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:
 * C. No original research:
 * See question 1B.
 * 1) Is it broad in its coverage?
 * A. Major aspects:
 * B. Focused:
 * 1) Is it neutral?
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) Is it stable?
 * No edit wars, etc:
 * 1) Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
 * A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:
 * B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * Overall the article is fairly well written. It is very close to meeting the criteria set for a Good Article. I will be adding a prose review below. --  Тимофей  Лее  Суда .  20:53, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
 * A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:
 * B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * Overall the article is fairly well written. It is very close to meeting the criteria set for a Good Article. I will be adding a prose review below. --  Тимофей  Лее  Суда .  20:53, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Pass or Fail:
 * Overall the article is fairly well written. It is very close to meeting the criteria set for a Good Article. I will be adding a prose review below. --  Тимофей  Лее  Суда .  20:53, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Lead

 * The island is now jointly managed...' The word "now" identifies a specific time, but the time changes for the reader. Instead the sentence should say: "Since 2006, the island is jointly managed..." and remove the "which was set up in 2006 from the end."
 * ✅ Done but I've changed it to "has been" because "is" doesn't agree with "Since 2006".


 * ...used for tourism, such as school trips. Change "such as" to "including."
 * ✅ Done.

Etymology

 * The first sentence is a bit of a run on sentence. There should be a period after "mound." Remove the word "although" and capitalize the word "the" to start a new sentence.
 * The name could also possibly have developed from the Breton words lygg or ligg, which means in or near water. The source says lydd or ligg (see page 318). Also, the word possibly should be removed. "Could have" is all that is needed and is a good paraphrase of what the source says.
 * Question: In your opinion, is the sentence part "...as well as making suggestions for training boys to become sailors in the fleet in 1838." relevant or notable enough to be included in an article about an island?
 * ✅ All three done.

Geography and climate

 * In the second sentence, what does "main part" mean? This description is ambiguous. Are you talking about the majority of the island? The bulk of it? The center of it?
 * ✅ Removed from sentence.


 * Remove the word "the" from "...like the other Channel Islands..."
 * ✅ Done.


 * The sentence starting "Close to the island are two..." would read better as: "Two small islets, close to the island, called Lissroy and Lihoumel, are breeding places for a number of endangered species of birds, including Eurasian Oystercatchers and Common Ringed Plovers."
 * ✅ Rephrased.


 * Sea Storksbill (Erodium maritimum) The scientific name and parenthesis should be removed, and instead the common name should be linked to the appropriate scientific named article, like the rest of the article.
 * ✅ Common name now links to article on genus, because the species-specific article is a redirect at the moment.


 * Questions: Who makes the two islets off-limits? What is the actual restriction, ie tourists are not allowed? What does off-limits specifically mean?
 * ✅ Changed to state who makes them off-limits, the restriction appears to be no people. Changed "off-limits" to "does not allow".


 * Remove the word "Lying" from the sentence starting Lying approximately 800...
 * ✅ Removed.

History

 * ... but specific records are very patchy, with sources sometimes contradicting each other.' Is this sourced information or an opinion? It seems like an opinion or WP:OR.
 * ✅ Removed. It was mean't as a sort of summary but you'reright it does look like opinion.


 * Question: What does "arriére-fief" mean? This is unclear in the article.
 * As a monolinguist, I cannot say, but I will look into the meaning as soon as possible.
 * The only definition I could find "A fief or fee dependent on a superior one." That means it is used correctly, and that sentence makes sense, so I would not change anything. -- TLSuda (talk) 18:57, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Remove the word "sometime" after "Robert I, Duke of Normandy" as it is meaningless.
 * ✅ Done.


 * In this paragraph of the article, it says the island "was granted in the early part of the eleventh century..." and it was constructed around that time. The source number 10 says it was given by Robert (who died in 1035). The source number 7 says that the priory was consecrated on the 4th August, 1114. Do you know if it took 100+ years from when the land was given until it was built on? Are one of these sources incorrect?
 * I will look into this as soon as possible.
 * The sources all look good, so I guess it is true. The way you have written the article is good to cover this. You did not add any WP:OR, just let the information stand for itself.  I would just leave it be. -- TLSuda (talk) 18:57, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * The assistant, Ranulph Gautier... Is this one of the bailiff's assistants? If so, it should say "One of the bailiff's assistance, Ranulph Gautier..." since the article mentions that there were assistants (plural).
 * ✅ I've changed the wording around for that sentence and the preceding one so it makes clear who was doing what.


 * ...but possibly linked to the theft of a silver cup. The BBC 2004 source that mentions this does not actually say that it possibly linked, but only that the stolen cup is the only clue of any "ill-feeling." Also, possibly is not a good word to use.
 * ✅ Removed and changed wording.


 * ...but it appears to have continued being used. This is not necessary as you describe further use, including having specific people named as Prior in the 1500s.
 * ✅ Removed.


 * However, within decades the Priory was abandoned, with Thomas de Baugy being possibly the final Prior around 1560,[4] although there is some evidence that the priory was allocated to John After in 1566, who had also been appointed as the Dean of Guernsey. This sentence should be split into 2 sentences and cleaned up. I recommend: "However, within decades the Priory was abandoned, with evidence of Thomas de Baugy being the final Prior around 1560. There is also evidence that the priory was allocated to John After in 1566, who had also been appointed as the Dean of Guernsey." This eliminates the run-on sentence and removes the word possibly.
 * ✅ Done.


 * In 1759... In that sentence, you should identify who the Governor of Guernsey is.
 * The source doesn't give a name. but I will look into it.
 * According to List of Governors of Guernsey, the Governor in 1759 was General John West, 1st Earl De La Warr. There might be a source in his article that can help you identify. -- Тимофей  Лее  Суда .  14:44, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The best I can find is a London Gazette edition from 1752 which announced John West's appointment as Governor, and a second one from 1766 which announces a new Governor, (here).I've added the first one to the article but am unsure whether the second one is needed.  Green Giant  supports  NonFreeWiki  ( talk )  15:59, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Remove "... possibly due to a planned French invasion of Britain." unless you can find a source for this. If there is a source, it needs to be attributed including removing the word "possibly."
 * ✅ Done.


 * In 1961 should be rewritten: "In 1961, Lieutenant-Colonel Patrick Wootton purchased Lihou." The next sentence should be: "Wootton had plans to develop the island, beginning in the following year first by clearing the area of the old farmhouse, in preparation for the building of a new farmhouse, with construction work continuing into 1963."
 * ✅ Done.


 * He also organized... Remove "also."
 * ✅ Done.


 * Question: According to the article, the island was sold in 1983 to the Borwicks. The article then says in 1995 it was given from the British Crown to the States of Guernsey. When and how did the island get from the Borwicks to the British Crown? Was it sold? Was it taken away then given to someone else?
 * This is unclear, but I will look into it as soon as possible.
 * ✅ There appears to be very little about the actual transfer but I have changed it to reflect a 2007 document from gov.gg, which says the States of Guernsey bought the island from a private individual but no name is given. From less reliable sources like this website, it appears that the seller would have been Robin Borwick.  Green Giant  supports  NonFreeWiki  ( talk )  18:26, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Recommendation: Although this does not affect whether the article achieves GA status, I would recommend that someone one day expands the information about the archaeological investigations. There is probably a good bit of information there, especially information that would add to the article.
 * Definitly planning on doing this after GA.
 * Good plan! -- TLSuda (talk) 18:57, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Economy

 * Add comma after first word.
 * ✅ Done.


 * Drop the parentheses in that same sentence.
 * ✅ Done.


 * Put a period after "Guernésiais" then remove the word "with" and start the next sentence with: "Records suggest considerable..."
 * Remove the parentheses from "known as the 'Chief Pleas' at the time.
 * ✅ Done.


 * Question: The farmhouse that the tourism is based around, is that the one that was in ruins, or the newer one that was built by Wootton?
 * Not sure about this, so I will look into it.


 * Remove "but this ended" in the last sentence of this section.
 * ✅ Done.

Final thoughts
Above is my prose review. Although it looks like a lot of text, it is mostly small things. If you have questions, do not hesitate to ask. These are all recommendations, so if you have a better way to fix an issue, please do. The goal is to have the best article possible, and if you can address the above points, this article will definitely meet the Good Article Criteria. Thanks for your work. -- Тимофей  Лее  Суда . 00:02, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Side note: There are some decent pictures at Commons of the island that could be included. Right now the only images are on the right side, all near the top.  You could include 2-3 more, and left justify if you thought there were enough quality. --  Тимофей  Лее  Суда .  00:04, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the thorough review. I have implemented most of your recommendations but some points will need further investigation. I will get onto these as soon as possible.  Green Giant  supports  NonFreeWiki  ( talk )  01:55, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: I went through a name change during this process due to an RfA. Everything looks good now. I went back and looked at your comments and checked, and everything is up to GA standards.  I'm happy to pass this article as meeting Good Article Criteria. Congrats! -- TLSuda (talk) 18:58, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. This is much appreciated.  Green Giant  supports  NonFreeWiki  ( talk )  19:11, 23 February 2014 (UTC)