Talk:Like a Surgeon (Ciara song)

re-open
can this article be re-opened since ciara confirms at www.ciarworld.com that she is in fact releasing this as her fourth single? (Lil-unique1 (talk) 08:07, 22 May 2009 (UTC))

Official single?
How can this be considered an official single when it was only sent to radio? There's no cover, music video, digital/physical release or anything else. ΣПDiПG – STΛЯT 06:44, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The song received an official radio add date, which in the US is the only way to indicate singles after an album's digital release. A cover and music videos do not substantiate a claim as a single. Several non-singles can have a cover or music videos, but only singles are added to radio in the United States. Candy  o32  - Merry CHRISTmas :)  20:15, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Single status
Well, I'm not that familiar with the issue but since the song charted at number 59 on the Billboard R&B chart, surely this must have been a single? Let's hash this out here at the talk page, rather than all over the place  Worm    TT   15:34, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


 * This song was definitely a single, and had a radio add date, and a single per WP:Promotional singles. But FMQB only lists rhythmic and mainstream dates, and Allaccess does not archive their dates. However, I really believe the user knows this, but does not want low-charting singles to be filled in Ciara's chronology, as it is common on Wikipedia for fans to try to either call singles just songs, or try to say they were "cancelled" or "demoted to a promo single" when they do not bust the charts wide open. Anyway, I am searching on Radio & Records to scour a source for the single's radio date. However the sources that the user has given for the singles bogus "canceling" are not reliable, and are from blogs. Candy  o32  15:42, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Can we use Wayback Machine on Allaccess? I'm at work so it's currently disabled for me, but that should be able to lock a date down.  Worm    TT   15:48, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I tried, but the Wayback Machine has no archives for the Allaccess Urban future releases page. Candy  o32  15:55, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Pity. Well, I'd like to see the radio1.gr source replaced with something more reliable. I'll keep looking, and hope the IP will discuss the matter here. Also, can everyone remember WP:BRD, wait until the discussion is over before changing the page. I don't want to see an edit war here while I'm trying to help out ;)  Worm    TT   16:00, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Is Hot R&B songs not a chart that is determined only by airplay? -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  16:07, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes Hot R&B songs is airplay only. Candy  o32  16:08, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, then doesn't that mean it had a radio release? -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  16:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Album cuts can chart in the US. Sometimes, radio stations just start to play a song out of its popularity, despite it not being released. Also, it debuted on R&B charts in May 2009, which would show that its radio play wasnt pushed by a single release. I believe that it wasn't, but sense you are opposing, I'll try to find better sources. As for now: http://gfa.radioandrecords.com/publishGFA/GFANextPage.asp?sDate=06/15/2009&Format=5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.79.92.229 (talk) 23:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It says right in the article that it was the June 13 issue. -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  23:24, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * If there is a radio release (and billboard magazine reviewed the single) then it is a single. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  23:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I saw, but the isssue date is June 13th, and since billboard posts the chart for an issue date 9 days before, it actually debuted on June 4th. For example, Wiz Khalifa peaked at number 1 today, but the issue date is February 19th. Anyway, June 4th, would still be before its alleged release. Also, can anyone tell me how to make an account, I saw it suggestesd on the talk.--68.79.92.229 (talk) 23:36, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, now since we got that Billboard review, they only review singles, so this could possibly be confirmation. Candy  o32  23:52, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * THe problem wasn't if it was intended as a single,m because it was planned for that. Billboard reviewed it because the label said it was the third single. What were looking for is if it was released. If we find a reputable sites that gives it a date, then its the third single. However, if it was never released, that means it was cancelled. --68.79.92.229 (talk) 00:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm putting it as a song article, as we dont have a release date. I will put that it was confirmed as a third single, but that its release failed to materialize, until we find a source that says it was released. --68.79.92.229 (talk) 00:09, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Yet again, you are attempting to go by your own opinionated views, and command this discussion. Candy  o32  00:23, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I am going by fact, until a release date is proven. Everyhtin I have on there is factual. I even say that it was confirmed for release. By changing it to say June 15th 2009, is putting up unproven info, now please leave it as a song until we have proven that it was in fact released. --68.79.92.229 (talk) 01:09, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The sources have gone dead... that doesn't make it any less viable/factual. You need to be patient while the issue is resolved. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  01:11, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * No, June 15th should be removed as it is under discussion. Facts, it is changed, because were discussing on whether it was released. Please wait until we perove that it was released on June 16th or any other date to change it back to single.

--68.79.92.229 (talk) 01:22, 11 February 2011 (UTC) Actually a number of editors can verify that it happened. At the time there was a verified source for it. We need to step back assume WP:Good faith and assume that it is a genuine case of sources going dead. At the time, Ciara commented on her twitter that she and Melina were working a video for the single. A release cannot be called cancelled just because there's no video or download date. Urban singles often receive just a radio release. This is not the... "I'm IP 68.79.92.229 and my opinion goes" show... &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  01:24, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * potential sources
 * Brown Sista Magazine &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  01:28, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * PR Log &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  01:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * We checked the source and it had a bunch of errors. It isnt factual and features a lot leaks and remixes. As stated before, it ;lists Lil Wayne's "Green and Yellow" as released, when its only a remix that leaked to the internet, It was never released. THis same source also posted that "Gimmie Dat" was released on August 24th, which it wasnt, it actually wasnt released til months later, so its cant be used. Also, the new sources you have show that the label intended it to be the third single, but were looking for a reputable site to say "Like a Surgeon" was relased to US radio stations on June 15, 2009" --68.79.92.229 (talk) 01:47, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Who's "We've?" that implies there's more than one of you? Interestingly I had this argument once before with the previous owners of Ciara's Fansite and a serial sockpuppetting user. At this stage would you like to confess to being either? Note that as a matter of caution all Ciara-related stuff is monitored by admins patrolling for future or sleeping sockpuppet accounts so if that is the case it is highly likely that action will be taken. Please bare that in mind. And also would you like to provide examples and specific pages for what you're claiming? &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  01:51, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Now that you mention it, it does seem oddly peculiar we are going round and round in circles with this ONE user. Candy  o32  01:54, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * By we by what's posted above. Another user above expresses that they would like to see a more reliable source, and that's the whole reason all of us (you and me) are checking to see if it was releases=d, because radio1 was a bad source, i thought you looked at it, becauseyou've been trying to find a mew source as well. I also don't own a fansite, I'm just trying to get the facts, because with there being no reliable source for June 15th, then it should not be placed. And did you read anything I put??--68.79.92.229 (talk) 02:00, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Here's sources: http://www.radio1.gr/music/rnb_new_songs.htm, http://www.radio1.gr/music9/rnb_new_songs1033.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.79.92.229 (talk) 02:02, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm merely giving you the option of declaring it now if you are a sock or if you are POV pushing now's the best time to declare it. At no point have I actually called you or accused you of being a sock puppet. Note that if at a later date you were proven to be doing either of those things there would be no sympathy whatsoever. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  02:17, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Resolution
I'm convinced that the issue is now fixed. I've been able to obtain two copies of the Billboard magazine issues from June 2009 which confirm both the single release as June 20, 2009 and its chart positions. I'm satisfied with this so I've added the references and changed back to single. Now go to bed and stop arguing!! &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  06:08, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I bow down to you Lil-unique1. Thank you very much for putting the effort in to finding offline reliable sources.  Worm    TT   07:28, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * THANK JESUS!!! :D Candy  o32  14:42, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * that is just a single review from the june 20th edition of billboard magazine. It doesnt say it was released on that date. The-Dream's "Walkin on the Moon" is there, and it hit radio on April 28, 2009. Try again. --VerySwaggful (talk) 21:52, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * No. This is a reliable source which confirms things, and goes along with other sources. I'm beginning to see a case of WP:IDIDN'THEARTHAT. You can't keep dismissing every source. As an outside opinion I am convinced and would expect you to come up with an actual source which confirms your point of view. Please stop editing against consensus.   Worm    TT   22:11, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Its reliable, but any site can confirm its release, where is something that says it hit radio on ... To put June 20th is ridiculous as that just says when the song was reviewed, not when it was released. You are simpy inferring that just because it was reviewed, it was released, but no it specifically neesds to say released on ... Its like you guys want this song to be released so bad. You know that if someone else put that as a source for the song's release, you be looking for specifics.--VerySwaggful (talk) 22:50, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

right let me break this down very very clearly for you... Myself and Candyo32 worked on this article from its very beginnings. At the time we have multiple sources covering the single's release. Since then those sources have gone dead. Ciara herself even said she had been fighting with her label to support her with single choices. Thus its not surprising that the label has had all mentions of the single removed. At the end of the day the two physical billboard magazine references tell us two things... "Like A Surgeon" was most definitely released in the United States as a single. Although there is some question over the release date, it was promoted as a single. Even announcing something as a single could be considered a release because we're in the digital era where songs can be purchased as soon as an album is released digitally. If the people who run the charts (Billboard) were told that the song is a single then that's good enough for me as far as I'm concerned. I will look for more sources with regards to the video etc. Comparing the release date to "Walkin on the Moon" is WP:OR, as all the songs had different release dates. With regards to the release date I am willing to concede there is a small chance that the date we have is incorrect. However myself and Candy are aware that the song began to chart 1-2 weeks before it was released, just after its announcement as a single. June 20, 2009 thus fits will with the facts we have. Yet in the interest of satisfying a disgruntled fan I maybe willing to simply put June 2009 as a compromise but certainly the evidence and chart run fits with a June release considering there was no other promotion for the song. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  23:33, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll compromise, because as I have read that post as well, I will say that she may have only had enough money to send it to radio at different times, thus giving it no offficcial release date. I just hope it all gets better for her. --VerySwaggful (talk) 01:31, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you clarify... are wanted me to replace June 20, 2009 with June 2009? (candyo32 and Worm TT should comment also). &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  01:33, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it's fine to put June 2009. Candy  o32  01:36, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm also happy with the change, and I appreciate that Lil-unique1 and VerySwaggful have put forward a compromise that we can all agree on. Worm    TT   09:24, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Changed. if that's it then this discussion is closed as far as I'm concerned :D &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  01:50, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Go Girl
Also, a songs singleship is determined by what the lable says, not by what the format is. A promo single can just be released to radio or just as a download or both. It may have been released as a download and radio, but it was confirmed as a single by the label. "Speechless" was released only by download, but as it was confirmed by the label, it is an official single. However, like B.o.B's "Bet I", a song can be released as a download, but since it wasnt confirmed by the label, it was a promo single.

The label called "Go Girl" a promo single and "Never Ever" the first single. Not everything follows order, it just matters on what the label or artist says. MTV spoke with the label and Ciara on that source, so it is true: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1602416/ciara-talks-new-single-with-young-jeezy.jhtml --68.79.92.229 (talk) 23:59, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


 * No it doesn't. Christina Aguilera said that Bionic was her fourth studio album, when it was her sixth. Lady Gaga said The Fame Monster was her second album, when it is an EP. Justin Bieber said that My World was his first album, when it is an EP. "Go Girl" was released first, and was on the Japan version of the album, got a US radio add date, a download date, and music video, it passes being a single with flying colors, so it is was the lead single. Candy  o32  00:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Christina's Bionic was her fourth studio, as mi reflejo was a spanish album and the other was a christmas album, making bionic her fourth studio. Lady Gaga says Born This Way is her second album. Justin says My World 2.0 is her debut, and as i said before, how a single was released doesn't matter.

Here's what an official single needs: "Go Girl has the release, but as the label says it was promo, it was promo --68.79.92.229 (talk) 00:22, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Some form of release
 * The label to confirm that it serves as an official single.
 * XD! Spanish album??? There is no such thing! There are studio albums and there are studio albums. A holiday and Spanish album is nonexistent. -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  00:24, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Haha, I echo what Cprice said! & IP, Did you just make up your own rules? Lol. That's not any standard on Wikipedia. Secondly, that article you gave DOES NOT state anywhere that Jive Records called "Go Girl" a promo. Even if they did, it still wouldn't match up with the facts. This is getting real old, really quick. Candy  o32  00:27, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I know. But, this isn't as bad as over at Christmas Tree and Dance in the Dark. -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  00:29, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, its getting there. Luckily its not multiple users ganging up. Candy  o32  00:32, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The single is still included on A VERSION of the album (Japan Version). Regardless of what the label says, Island DefJam called "Obsessed" Mariah Carey's summer single. Its still the first single from the album. Hence at the time of release "Go Girl" was only released as the album's full first single, it was only after it failed to chart did the label rebrand it. At the time of release it served as the album's first single. This can be discussed on the text e.g. However the label later branded the single as a promo single, stating that a new song would serve as the album's lead single. Lead singles are not always the first single - there's a difference. The lead single is the one which directly lead's the album's release. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  00:59, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Fine but the page should say that it was the first released, but was labeled as a promo single. In the discography, it should be unde a section labeled promo singles. It was the first releases, but never ever was the first OFFICIAL. Go girl should be listed as promo Single. A single is any song that was released, butnever ever is official first single. So it should be put that the label called it a promo single, and remove it from the official singles section of her discography and put it down in a promotional single section. Lots of artist have it, see Beyonce discography and Lady Gaga discography and Rihanna discography. Yes it was released, but it shouldnt be present with the songs labeled as official singles. --68.79.92.229 (talk) 01:19, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Umm, her discog does have a promo single, but "Go Girl" isn't a promo single. Did you even read that multiple users have said it doesn't matter what labels say if it doesn't match the facts. Even if so, there is no source that says "Go Girl" is a promo single. *yawn* Candy  o32  01:25, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Jive Records site calls "Never Ever" first single and "Love Sex Magic" second single http://www.jiverecords.com/artists/ciara "Go Girl" was released as a single, just not as the official first or second. Maybe we should put a section labeled "Other singles" in the discography, and put it under there. That way it acknowledges that it was released from the album, but was not an official. Fine.--68.79.92.229 (talk) 01:50, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * There is no such thing as an "other single." AS STATED BEFORE, artists and labels misinform. Lady Gaga called The Fame Monster her second album, no? Candy  o32  01:54, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

At the time of release was "Go Girl" announced as Fantasy Ride's lead single? yes or no? &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  01:56, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * You guys, this is the label's website, there are such things as other singles. It wsa released form the album, but it isns an official single, by, per the link you see above. How can you just throw out the words of the artist or label. There is no set of rules that make an official single a single. The label has labeled it as such. They can change. If love sex magic was labeled as promo, it would be the same thing. In the US, a song's singleship is determined by what the label says. You can't say we know more than them, they release it, they know.--68.79.92.229 (talk) 02:06, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm convinced you haven't payed attention to anything that we have said so = the labels can misinform. We don't go by what they say, as Lady Gaga said that The Fame Monster was her second album. Secondly, even if they said so and we went by it THERE IS NO SOURCE THAT CALLS "GO GIRL" A PROMO. Candy  o32  02:11, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Rihanna said S&M would be the third single from Loud, but instead, Raining Men was released, and then S&M. -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  02:13, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Why did you not answer the question I've asked? If at the end of the day something is labelled a single then that's what it is. If in the future its referred to as a promo that's fine but at the end of the day its still a single from the album. At the end of the day "Go Girl" was lined up as Fantasy Rides first single, replacing the leaked "High Price". It was released to radio and downloads, as the FIRST Single. It underperformed so the label referred to it as a promo single and unveiled "Never Ever" as a new first single. However "Go Girl" had already been released and that cannot be retracted. The label called "Go Girl" the first single, then "Never Ever". Its evident that the label is a non-neutral non-appropriate WP:Primary source in this instance. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk] ' 02:21, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * You know, I'm pretty glad I slept through all this, it's a bit beyond me. The way I see it, there are multiple sources calling this a single. It might be tthat this was only intended to be a single, but since we have no sources to say it was canned, besides the fact it wasn't a "large" release, I don't see a reason why we should be changing the article. 68.79.92.229, I'm about to leave you a message at your talk page explaining how you can get an account and to let you know a little more about wikipedia.  Worm    TT   09:18, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * @ Worm here are the sources that say "Never Ever" is the first single and "Go Girl" is promo. MTV: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1602416/ciara-talks-new-single-with-young-jeezy.jhtml Jive Records: http://www.jiverecords.com/artists/ciara

So yes it is a promo single, and to say you arent going by the label and other sources is putting in your own opinion isn't it. Therfore, I'm am just going by what is confirmed. A label should determine what position a song or album servers, regardless if they cange their mind, not wikipedia editors. --VerySwaggful (talk) 23:06, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Again you're not understanding the point here... At the time of release "Go Girl" was the album's lead single. Thus it is counted as the album's first official single. The MTV source given (and the Jive one) simply tell us that after release, Jive replaced "Go Girl" with "Never Ever" as the new lead single but "Go Girl" had already been released and promoted as a single. You can't really take back a single release. Its exactly the same as "Obsessed" by Mariah Carey which was called her "summer single" but it was still the first single from her album. see WP:DUCK... and also note that promotional single's article on wikipedia disgarees with your analysis. MTV dub's "NE" Ciara's first official single because that's what the label wants everyone to report... in reality (and looking at the facts) "GG" was released as the first single and this is Jive's attempts to retract it... &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  01:55, 16 February 2011 (UTC) http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1596581/ciara-invites-tpain-neyo-aboard-her-fantasy-ride.jhtml in this article MTV calls Go Girl the first single... &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  02:02, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Radio1 source
Re: ''It was also featured as the track of the day on June 17, 2009 on Radio 1's website. '' - We don't say which Radio 1, because we don't have an article on it. I'm not comfortable with keeping this line in. In fact, I'm still not confident that Radio1.gr is a reliable source and think it should be removed from the article. Thoughts? Worm   TT   15:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * All I will say was there have been and was quite frequently issues with radio1.gr because its a Greek host but no evidence of notability. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  <sup style="color:black;">[talk]  15:16, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm also not happy that in the release section, it was used as a source for release date when the previous sentence points out it will only be released as a single in North America.  Worm    TT   15:24, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Well actually the article itself is incorrect as the single should be stated as US-only not North America. And that user who is causing all of this trouble isn't being very helpful in insisting on their way being resulted in what is on the page. Candy  o32  23:22, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I only have that result, because it is the best way to leave it until the release date is proven. We can't leave a speculative false release date on there, and we can't put TBA, as it wont be released in the future. So, when we find a date it can be, but for now, it should be a song so there is no confusion --VerySwaggful (talk) 01:26, 15 February 2011 (UTC) (Formerly the I.P. address, but I created an account)
 * That's still doesn't mean that there is no information that the song isn't a single. It was reviewed by Billboard, which only makes reviews for singles, not just general songs, and then the PR log article. It's more evidence for a single than not one, so it could be that it was released June 2010. Candy  o32  01:35, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * At the time, the song was released to radio stations, both myself and Candy as highly rated and reliable editors can vouch for that. While our views are not WP:RS it is enough to stop ludacris edit warring. Ciara recently (yesterday) released a statement about her label not supporting her and even telling radios not to play songs, so its no surprise that Jive may have had the mentions of "Like a Surgeon"'s single release removed. This article is a major issue sourcing wise... that's a given but there is hope yet... &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  <sup style="color:black;">[talk]  05:15, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I would say that in the English speaking part of the world, Radio 1 would mean this or this, so it would probably be wise to make it a little clearer that it is a Greek station. Bennydigital (talk) 16:42, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Not a single
This song only has reviews and charted, how is it considered a single?--PastoftheFuture (talk) 18:07, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * And they can't remove it from radio archives per what was stated by lil-unique1 above. There is no record of it on allaccess, or fmqb, or gfk. And now a new source call Frequency, which gives a songs' street and urban date has no record of release. Asa you can see, this song was not released in any form. Radio 1 makes specualtive release decisions, and still, by any means, a single review, confirmation, or video do not simply make a song as single. A release does, and this song does not have any form of that. This isnt a fan plea, I'm just stating the facts. So, shouldnt it be a song page, until there is a source that says it was released--PastoftheFuture (talk) 18:13, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Speculation is a briech of your policy of no original resource, and reliable sources. So, dont bend the rules, just because you wanted it to be a single, I did too. But it wasnt released--PastoftheFuture (talk) 18:16, 21 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Have you missed the whole discussion above? 98.104.195.192 (talk) 11:27, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I did not miss it, there is no source that it was ever released. The only thing there is a billboard review.--PastoftheFuture (talk) 00:08, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * As you can see from above, there is a source that it was released, billboard magazine, which gives it's release date and chart position. Since consensus above has shown that this is acceptable, I hope you will stop throwing wild accusations around. I would appreciate it if you went and found a copy of said magazine (not the website) before refuting it out of hand. What's more, I'd appreciate a source that says "if a song isn't on the websites mentioned, it's not a single".  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 06:37, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Who says labels cannot pay for songs to be removed from radio? That's exactly what happened with the 4th single, "Turn it Up", from ciara's album Basic Instinct. Billboard clearly states that the song was serviced to radio. End of. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  <sup style="color:black;">[talk]  00:00, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

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