Talk:Lil' Kim/Archive 1

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Lil Kim's New Album Can the person who can edit the article change the TBA album bit as the album is going to be called Hardcore 2: All Hail the Queen. Thanks, it's really annoying me!

WHY IS LIL KIM HARDCORE FIRST WEEK SALES CHANGED? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.51.212.232 (talk) 19:38, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

WHO IS WALLACE
It should be made more apparent that Wallace is Biggie in the following sentence;

Kim met The Notorious B.I.G., who was a key figure in both her personal and artistic life, particularly when Wallace had gained popularity and influence through his relationship with Bad Boy Records.

SINGING
She does sing in some songs

69.114.197.41 00:22, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Is she a porn star???
 * Do learn to read. (Note to Lil' Kim: make a prison movie!) Trekphiler 11:14, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Can someone tell us if she has an 8th or 9th Grade education...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.240.87.149 (talk) 23:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

What passages do you feel indicate a bias? Nightscream 23:26, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Someone should add a few sentences about how her conviction on perjury charges was recieved in the hip-hop world, with its big emphasis on "no snitching." backfisch 9:22, 24 Febuary 2006

And what the blazes does this sentence mean: "When word got to The Notorious B.I.G. that she could rhyme, he made the pint sized femcee spit a freestyle for him on the spot". If Wikipedia aspires to be a serious encyclopaedia, it should not resort to the arcane argot of a particular section of society, but should be easily digestible by all members of society. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.179.32.103 (talk) 08:06, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

nascar pic
(invalid link)

that can't be her in the nascar uni the article was talking about....is it?--Jaysscholar 17:31, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

yep that's her... 69.17.59.230 02:07, 21 February 2006 (UTC)SHE HAS AIDS

trying to update the site a bit and clean up the article - fact-checking, removing unsubstantiated opinions, and cleaning up the grammar -- Mary Sunshine.

Yeah, this still needs a lot of work...feel free to insert links and details. All info was checked with Rolling Stone, Yahoo, and other media sources. I took out the part about Biggie "abuse" (hearsay), tried to tone down the laudatory remarks about each album, but kept the structure the same.

Can anyone add sources to this article? It's still full of unqualified statements and information that isn't really useful in an encyclopedia article

Also, I think there's something wrong with my browser - I'm not going to make any edits until I figure out what's wrong, but I suggest taking a second look at the paragraph describing Lil Kim's reaction to Biggie's death - --Marysunshine 03:32, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Recent edits have really improved this page! Still could benefit from more cited material, and less POV.--Marysunshine 17:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Height
the guy below has 4'12" lol, i think he ment 4'11" The fat article used to claim she was 4'12", however the police photograph clearly shows her as 5'00". I've changed the article to reflect that.  ◄ ИΞШSΜΛЯΞ  ►  05:30, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

That's 5'0 with shoes on. Without shoes its 4'11. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * Yeah, the police let you wear sunglasses, fatsuits and theatrical mustaches when getting your mugshot taken if you ask nicely. I expect they allowed her to lie about her weight too.   ◄  ИΞШSΜΛЯΞ  ►  23:25, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Is it so hard to tell how tall is she in metric units? It shouldnt be let that people post inches and foots without metric units by them. I got lost trying to translate it. Stupid imperial unit... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

"La Bella Mafia" sales

 * Billboard 2005 stats
 * XXL review, cited in article

Li'l/Lil'
In his Li'l Abner comic, Al Capp abbreviated the word "Little" as "Li'l." The was because the double t sound was pronounced with a glottal stop. However, the name "Lil' Kim" misplaces the apostrophe. This is the result of ignorance, carelessness, or illiteracy.Lestrade 17:39, 30 May 2006 (UTC)Lestrade
 * Good point, but you forgot "..or all of the above"! However, there's another possible motive for the spelling. It's the well-known disdain of rappers for "proper English", whatever the latter may be. In other words (no pun intended), rappers will often deliberately go for a spelling which is wrong, ugly or simply new. Which happens to be the way language evolves actually; it evolves by changes that people make to "established" rules and get popular. And language in modern America is influenced by the media and artists of the word. The Gnome 07:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

This Page is a mess

 * This page was a mess. Thank god I cleaned it up. This page seems to be a page where fans just write what they want to write and inflate her album sales on purpose.

NPOV dispute: "fear of EVE"????
This should not be in here unless it is cited, and reworded in a more professional manner. Most likely, I suspect it should be eliminated entirely, as it is opinion. Red pepper 10:07, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Her Album Sales
'''Everyone please stop changing Lil' Kims info please, the info you are giving is inaccurate Lil' Kim has sold over 22 million albums, singles, and DVD's worldwide. That is according to her article from Atlantic Records with Billboard.com. I always put accurate info and I spell correctly and use good grammar. The rest of you make her page sound so ghetto. PLEASE LEAVE IT ALONE!!!!!!!!!! All of my info is correct.'''

Hard Core has sold 2.2 million copies in US and over five million worldwide.

The Notorious KIm hassold 1.5 million units since 2000.

La Bella Mafia has sold 1.3 million units

The Naked Truth has sold almost 400 thousand copies.

You guys are constantly changing the article, my gosh, I don't know what to beleive


 * Where are your souces? You need sources to back up your ridiculous claims.


 * Hardcore & Notorious K.I.M. sold 1.4 million
 * La Bella Mafia sold 1.1 million
 * The Naked Truth sold 326,000 (as of 3/06)
 * Hardcore may have been certified Double Platinum, but it only shipped 2 million.
 * She is not a big seller WW.

LOOK URGRNT MESSAGE
Kims sales in the Us and WW


 * Hardcore:Platinum in 1997, dble. Platinum in 2001, Do you understand that Hardcore in 97 was platinum but in late 2001 it had sold another 800K which makes it DBLe Platinum  2.2 million US, 4.7 million worldwide


 * Notorious KIM:Platinum in 2000 sold 1.5 million US 2.5 million WW


 * La Bella Mafia:Platinum 1.4 million US, 2.2 million worldwide


 * The naked truth: Yet to be certified 364,956 units US, 1.1 million WW


 * Dance Remixes: Sold 24,000 US, 300K WW

All of this information from Nielsen Sounscan.com

PT. II
Look it is because of users like Fallout boy that this article is filled with lies like 17 million albums sold worldwide and HardCore sold 1.l4 million US, Can you stop changing this please, I am a huge Kim fan and I know everything about her sales(soundscan.com) and events that are happening in her life. This is my last warning to you or you will be blocked. Shinemygrillz 01:22, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Was it not enough that I explained in painstaking detail that I haven't been changing her sales info? --Fallout boy 04:49, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I want everyone to know that the birth date of 1975 is correct. Her Inmate Locater was wrong because the facility she was in is not in NY. Which proves that that is the wrong Kimberly Jones. Thank You and I am changing it 1975. Shinemygrillz 16:08, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You need proof before you do that. If you can find a reputable website that says her birth year is 1975, then feel free to change it.  -- JD [ don't talk|email ] 16:10, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * 1974 is the correct year. First of all, "New York CCM" isn't even a facility. It says that because she's still under house arrest. Second, there are no 31-year-old Kimberly Jones who have been federal inmates from 1982 to present. The Kimberly Jones I linked is indeed her, Inmate No 56198-054. --Fallout boy 23:49, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, you got me bought. But where has everywhere else got 1975 from?  Any idea?  -- JD [ don't talk|email ] 00:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * A lot of singers fudge their age by a few years.--Fallout boy 02:41, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Kim's real age
In response to Fallout's last edit summary when he reverted the article, Google says that the information on Kim's age is not from Wikipedia, but is from hiphopgalaxy.com. When I checked earlier, the source was a different website. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that this particular information is not from Wikipedia, and if you know that this information is incorrect, and can back it up, I won't interfere with this article anymore. -- JD [ don't talk|email ] 20:11, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

in regards to her age, the link beside her age in the article is her inmate information. it contains her age at last update, her release in 2006. at the time it is stated as 32, meaning she was born in 1974

Lil' Kim was actually born on July 11, 1976, not 1974. I have the link to her 'Driven" episode on VH1 where her mom states that she was born in 1976. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oonthada (talk • contribs) 02:48, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

The age has been changed on her INFORMATION table where her picture is and states she was born July 11th, 1976- (36 years old). Which is correct BUT it still says she was born in 1974 at the very start of her page which is wrong. Change would be needed there. PROOF- Lil' Kim is only 36 not 38 due to her date of birth mentioned in the VH1 "Behind the music" of Lil' Kim- Her mum says she was born July 11th 1976, not 1974. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.181.156 (talk) 11:13, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

The Brooklyn queen
The brooklyn queen is a DVD released July 18 on queen bee records. It is set to debut at number one in the DVD sales on the billoards already. i took the liberty of creatig a stub-section about it. --40 cal:Lil&#39; Scrappie &#91;I ain&#39;t playin] Talkin it and spittin blood 00:48, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Rumors
Her latest album, The Naked Truth, is rumored to be set for re-release in November 2006, marking the 10th anniversary of Hard Core. The album's first single is said to be "Quiet", featuring The Game. An accompanying video was to be shot for it immediately after Kim was released from house arrest. Reps for Kim said they are expecting to do an Access Granted episode for it on BET. It is possible that the re-release will contain unreleased tracks Kim recorded for The Naked Truth, including "The Game's in Trouble", and duets with Korean singer Bi (aka Rain to Americans), and former rival Faith Evans, though this has yet to be confirmed.

As of August 22 2006, Lil Kim's reps confirmed that she has signed a joint deal with Aftermath Entertainment/ Queen Bee & Interscope Records. Although, reps were unsure of a specific release date for a new album, it was said to be expected sometime summer 2007.

Both of these things have NO SOURCE. There is no talk of an Access Granted and it is rumored that Kim will be on Interscope, not Aftermath. Reps have made NO Comment other than they wish Atlantic will release Kim

Record Label
People are still changing that Kim's label is now Interscope. Kim is NOT on another label as of yet. Discussion are happening, but nothing has changed. Although she has been signed with previous labels she has one of her own titled "queen bee records"

Regular English should be used!
"At the age of nine, her parents divorced, leaving her at home with her father who repeatedly doggied her whilst watching pootie tang. The relationship between Jones and her father was frequently negative and at one point ended when Kim attempted to stab him in the ass with a dildo after a physical fight between father and daughter. Jones was purportedly living on the dick when she met Christopher Wallace a.k.a. rapper The Notorious B.I.G., who was a key figure in her personal and artistic life, particularly when Wallace had gained popularity and influence through his relationship with Bad Boy Records."

^This language is alienating and I for one can't make out what the author is trying to say about Lil' Kim's childhood.

Could someone who understands these coloquialisms please correct this passage? Shaybear♥

This is hard to understand because a lot of it was made up. (<.<;) (>.>;)

^I had a feeling it was made up, but wanted to be sure before I wound up editing something I know nothing about. Ta. :] Shaybear♥

Naked Truth Reissue
There is NO confirmation that TNT will be re-released. To whomever is adding it, please state a source

Surgery

Lil' Kim has got a nose job around 2003 cause she's had an abusive boyfriend who always beat her, also Kim got breast implants because she was jealous cause her boyfriend used to cheat on her with other woman who has big breasts. Www.Wikipedia.com/Lil' Kim Surgery Signed  — Preceding unsigned comment added by TBriz42 (talk • contribs) 18:42, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Surgery
Why doesn't anyone write anything about her plastic surgery (i.e breast, nose)

--because it's rude

But... she looks like a completely different (uglier) person now...

The surgery issue is significant. She always wished she was Caucasian, which is reflected through her fashion choices and she looks COMPLETELY different now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.149.152.23 (talk) 02:43, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

She does look totally different, and her surgery is big news: 'lil kim plastic surgery' has over a hundred thousand Google hits.--TMC1221 (talk) 08:38, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Longshot
The 2000 movie Longshot did not have Lil' Kim in it. I purchased the movie to see her and there was no scene with her in it. I've asked IMDB to remove her name from cast list

The naked truth re-release
I found this article ^. Would somebody please merge the information in it (if any is worth keeping) with The Naked Truth (Lil' Kim album)? There are apparently only a few differences between it and the original. When this is done, prod it (add the following text to the top of the page: all useful information has been added to The Naked Truth (Lil' Kim album) -Freekee 03:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

There has been no official confirmation and Kim nor her employees have not stated there would be a rerelease

So the article needs to be deleted. Everything in there is either untrue or redundant to the actual album article. -Freekee 05:53, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

A year and a day?
Someone added that this was the title of her new cd.. there is no news to support this at all. They also made up track names for it with no proof whatsover.

Regarding her sentence, an attorney for Kim stated, "A year and a day is actually less than a year sentence, because according to federal sentencing guidelines, if there's an extra day, time is credited to you". HUH? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fp cassini (talk • contribs) 23:19, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Mess
This page is more biased than Paris Hilton's!Nukleoptra 20:56, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Mind if I ask in what way? How do you plan to improve it? Acalamari 21:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Never mind. It's improved since I last read.Nukleoptra 13:27, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Though perhaps a critisism section, although there might be that sort of thing in already. I haven't read it thoroughly.Nukleoptra 13:29, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Some defacing?
During the 90's, she became pregnant with Wallace's child but was coerced by him into having an abortion. '''[2]she has given her self a reputation of being a black slut/whore and sells herself with her foel mouth. she has no dignity! hi flick''' Can't say I'm a fan, but that last bit looks a bit dodge.

Someone may also want to edit out the part about her being fat in the "2006–present: Life after prison" section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.29.139.203 (talk) 06:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

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Kim is a God
Can someone provide a source for this? --MathewBrooks 21:49, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Im thinking this entire article needs deleteing it was no sources.Realist2 19:37, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

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Do You Know????
Hi! I was wondering if you guys know which Native American tribe Lil Kim is descent of because I'm doing a project on diversity in America for my school project. I think it's really cool their are so many people who are black and indian which makes me feel less alone because most of my friends say they're only black...But do any of you know? Thank You for your time98.206.116.222 (talk) 22:10, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry but that kind of information is extremely hard to come by since most of the time in interviews people don't ask about heritage they assume it. It was hard just finding that she is part Native American. If she was to tell in an interview that gets documented then we could use that information, but she may not know what tribe she is descedent of which adds to the problem. I hope that was of help to you.Mcelite (talk) 04:37, 16 March 2008 (UTC)mcelite

Trivia
Although some sources like IMDB say Lil' Kim was born 1974, she was really born 1975.

She is only 4"11.

She made an animation appereance on South Park on You Got... (2004) it was the one where they were making fun of [You Got Served] (2004) the movie she stared on.

She has light skin because she is African-American and part Native-American that's very similar to Olivia (Singer) because she is from black and indian descent and thier both from Brooklyn.

Singles Chart Positions
Someone has been editing her chart positions in her favor to where she has multiple #1 singles, when this is not true. I went through and double checked everything with billboard.com and the correct and up-to-date chart positions are now listed. Cg1324 (talk) 01:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank You very much. It's hard keeping track because people want to edit things so much with Lil' Kim. Thank you for your help.Mcelite (talk) 03:48, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Multiple Lies

 * This page is a mess. For instance, she has sold no where near 14 million albums worldwide. Only around 4 million in the U.S. People need accurate facts to back up they're ridiculous claims. And it has been proven that she was born in 1974, not '75.LAUGH90 (talk) 00:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Born 1975 not 1974
I've done some digging and I've talked to some adminastrators. Most sources state she was born 1975 not 1974. NNDB is incorrect. I've done a little digging and some newspaper articles state she was born 1975 not 1974. So please don't change her DOB unless an interview in which she herself says she was born 1974. NNDB doesn't count they at times have worse credibilty than IMDB.Mcelite (talk) 02:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Would you mind providing those sources please. Tiptoety  talk 04:32, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Here are a few sources that provide that she was born in 1975 not 74. See here:, , ,


 * According to when she did time, her federal prison records state that she was born in '74, not '75.LAUGH90 (talk) 23:42, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

An interview with her mother states she was born in 1976. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKT7WFyolLo&feature=related —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.177.139.23 (talk) 02:51, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, Kim's mother said Kim was born in 1976, which is another lie. Her records from when she was in prison stae that she was born in 1974, which would make her 34 years old now.98.114.91.37 (talk) 02:46, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Is that Lil' Kim in the picture???? Wow, make-up makes miracles! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.224.215.41 (talk) 23:50, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Abortion claim seriously needs citation
Seriously. WP:BLP --207.237.223.118 (talk) 21:13, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

What The...?
what happen to all the info on this page? there was heaps about Lil' Kim now there's so little. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.68.49.133 (talk) 12:39, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

The Real Lil' Kim News
'''With Kim being on Season 8 of Dancing With the Stars, the release date of the single, Them Girls w/ Seven will be pushed back to March-April 2009.

Lil Kim's Vintage (The Mixtape) is not official, but can be seen and heard here: http://www.datpiff.com/DJ_Trei_Starzz_Lil_Kim__Vintage_The_Mixtape.m28169.html

Lil Kim's album Vintage will be released July-September 2009

It has been Confirmed that Respirator and Download[Computer Love](feat. T-Pain) will be the 2 singles off her album, Vintage.''' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skydude2 (talk • contribs) 22:37, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Vintage A IS FANMADE TITLE. Kim herself has said that her album is still untitled  —Preceding unsigned comment added by JasonRR (talk • contribs) 12:32, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Article reads like a Lil' Kim Almanac -- MAJOR REWRITE needed
By adopting a chronological format, the article looks like what historians call an annal rather than an encyclopedia article.

Clearly the article needs to be re-written in a truly encyclopedic format and the huge awards table needs to be reduced to prose form; ****, it needs to be truncated, period! Its makes the article ungainly and fanzine-ish. Continually calling her by stage name also adds to the rather gushy tone. (I changed the name back to her stage name in the Dancing with the Stars section because she's called by it throughout the article and the editor failed to change all the other instances where she's called "Kim" instead of by her birth name.)

Also the article is woefully short on footnotes. Thus I completely agree with the "refimprove" tag should probably be added.

Perhaps I;ll get to it, but I'm not a big rap/hip-hop fan (I pretty much tuned out after N.W.A and The Chronic), so it's hardly on my priority list. However the changes need to be made.

Felonies Given that being convicted of three counts of perjury and conspiracy is more than just a passing event to be tucked away into an arbitrarily defined chunk of time, it clearly needed to be given its own section as well as needing to be fleshed out and sourced. Before I edited it, the article failed to mention that the shooter in the radio station incident, Jackson, was Lil' Kim's bodyguard (!) a rather major omission (not that I'm suggesting it was intentional).

PainMan (talk) 21:16, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Additionally, the notice that the page needs work is all the way at the bottom of the page - shouldn't it be at the top? I am unable to edit (semi-locked).--Strmmrgrrl (talk) 01:36, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Prison sentence and release
Regarding her sentence, an attorney for Kim stated, "A year and a day is actually less than a year sentence, because according to federal sentencing guidelines, if there's an extra day, time is credited to you". If this is indeed not a typo or misquote, and it does make sense, it's certainly not intuitive. Please clarify! Fp cassini (talk) 23:22, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

probably time already served is credited but idk — Preceding unsigned comment added by SomeUser5050 (talk • contribs) 00:39, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Superhero Movie
Lil' Kim was never in the film "Superhero Movie." That is false information from IMDB. If you watch the film, you will indeed see that she is nowhere to be found. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.236.202.221 (talk)
 * Yes she did star in that movie. Sources: Variety, Yahoo Movies. They do confirm that she plays "Xavier's daughter". Do you have any evidence her scene was cut, or she did not appear? Andrewlp1991 (talk) 08:41, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

All you have to do is watch the film - you don't need sources when she's obviously not in it - it speaks for itself. That was merely a rumor as she was considered for Regina Hall's role; she was also considered for Regina Hall's role in the original Scary Movie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.236.202.221 (talk) 20:33, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You keep saying "she's not in it...she's obviously not in it". Well, I doubt if "watching the film" is verifiable enough. Andrewlp1991 (talk) 21:22, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, that being the case, you should go ahead and add Scary Movie to her resume as well then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.236.202.221 (talk) 05:27, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Nonsense. None of the Scary Movies have even been listed in her filmography! Andrewlp1991 (talk) 20:33, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Editsemiprotected
Editsemiprotected

Please remove the ==See also== section (the only link is to Creative artists who have served time in prison, which now redirects to Prison). 92.1.93.82 (talk) 10:49, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 13:57, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Li'l/Lil' again
Since many readers of enwiki are not native speakers, there should still be an Etymology section, or the equivalent, which defines the abbreviation Li'l, then clarifies the fact that our girl is an illiterate who has misspelled Li'l as Lil' for whatever reason.

Non-native speakers require this section. So do native speakers who can't spell.

A section of this kind still needs to be somewhere. Didn't the article use to cover this point?

Varlaam (talk) 02:08, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Misspelling? Not even close. "Lil'" is an alternative way to spell it. The content in Lil is evidence of that. — ξ xplicit  02:21, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Lil' Kim
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Lil' Kim's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "amg": From Kanye West:  From Ms. G.O.A.T.:  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:39, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 24.126.52.184, 9 April 2011
24.126.52.184 (talk) 17:52, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Baseball   Watcher  21:34, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

24.126 can you summarize what exactly you want changed? Cutting and pasting the article here again is not specific, and makes it very hard to compare to the main article. Syrthiss (talk) 15:28, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Intro
The article's introduction is far from neutral.  Erpert  Who is this guy? 04:15, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * For the life of me, I can't see what you're objecting to. Could you please provide specific examples, lest I remove the NPOV tag? Thanks. HuskyHuskie (talk) 09:09, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I think four weeks is enough time to fabricate an excuse for your tagging. I'm taking it off, and--since I was courteous enough to leave it in place for all this time--expect that you will NOT replace it until after we discuss the matter and come to an agreement. HuskyHuskie (talk) 02:37, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Lil' Kim's official Website
I think Lil' Kim's Official website on wikipedia should be changed to http://lilkimfanclub.com/

Lil' Kim always acknowledges them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq3ppC-n00Y and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm01wPNIMhs

Also she recently did an radio interview with them where she gave exclusive info only to them ,which made billboard.com, bet.com and other popular websites: http://www.billboard.com/column/the-juice/chart-juice-monica-s-first-single-debuts-1005277632.story#/column/the-juice/chart-juice-monica-s-first-single-debuts-1005277632.story


 * What about http://www.myspace.com/lilkim ?
 * —DIV (138.194.11.244 (talk) 08:33, 4 August 2011 (UTC))

Lil' kim also just posted the lil' kim website (Www.lilkimfanclub.com) on her official facebook page here : http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lil-Kim/32935921265 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilkim fanclub (talk • contribs) 13:15, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Birth Year
Her birth year is 1974, NOT 1975 according to the Federal Bureau of Prisons. The link is right here along with her federal inmate prison number (BOP), which is/was 56198-054. They list her as 37 years old, which means she was born in 1974. It doesn't get more "official" than the Federal Bureau of Prisons. A magazine article is not a more reliable source for her birth year than her record with the Federal Bureau of Prisons. Bastian (talk) 18:51, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Allmusic.com lists her birth year as 1975, though. Your comment was from 2011 (2011-37=1974) so I say that the 1974 year stands. Andrewlp1991 (talk) 06:33, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1535483/lil-kim-released-from-prison.jhtml - states Kim was released 3rd of july 2006, FBP states a kimberly jones was released on the 2nd of august 2006, therefore this is not Kimberly Lil'Kim Jones. Andrewlp1991 (talk) Bastian (talk)

Birth Year II
Lil'Kim CLAIMED she was born in 1975 to the media at the start of her career - this was partly strategic for her a as a female rapper. If she was born in 1975 it would've made her the "youngest female rap artist" to start at her age (she was in tough competition with Foxy Brown at the time, who was her junior). Details of this were found out way later. The Notorious B.I.G. controlled every aspect of her career and his descent to the top of the hip hop world in the 1990's included Lil' Kim, so her image and reputation mattered to him (she is the female version of Biggie Smalls - she raps, rhymes, and her rhythmic style is exactly identical to his). Celebs lie about their age, this is not something new. Her ID's and the Federal Bureau of Prisons of the United States of America certainly don't lie when they say that she was born in 1974. We have no other credible source but that. Her mother "claiming she was born in 1975" is NOT credible. The records and documents of the Federal Bureau of Prisons IS credible. For the longest time everyone thought that rapper Foxy Brown was born in 1979 and some sources even claimed 1980, but her prison record shows it to be 1978. Celebrities lie to the media about their age to make themselves younger - that is very common, probably a lot more than any of us think. She was born in 1974 and that is the end of that! Bastian (talk) 22:42, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 March 2012
Okay this isn't really a good photo of her I think this one would do better. http://geturswurve.com/2012/02/06/get-tfoh-lil-kim-owes-over-1000000-in-back-taxes/

98.169.33.3 (talk) 03:53, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * The bottom of the page says clearly "2011 © GETURSWURVE.COM" and thus copyrighted and not suitable for Wikipedia. Please do the next upload request at WP:FFU. Regards, mabdul 13:59, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 April 2012
According to The Internet Movie Database (IMDB) http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0428591/ Lil' Kim's official Website is Www.LilKimFanClub.com. You can also view Lil' Kim's official Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lil-Kim/32935921265 where she only posts links to Www.Lilkimfanclub.com to keep her fans up to date with the latest News, Photos, videos and Tour dates ect.

Since Lil' Kim's wikipedia page does not have a reliable source posted to keep her fans around the World updated, I simply ask you to list Www.LilKimFanClub.com as her official website on her Wikipedia page. Thanks for your time.

Shyandthecity (talk) 22:29, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done  elektrik SHOOS  (talk) 00:30, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Lil' kim is featured on Total's 1996 hit 'No one else' but it isn't listed under her Hot 100 entries. the song peaked at #87. Can someone please update her page. Here is the link to total's song: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_One_Else_%28Total_song%29 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kashif222005 (talk • contribs) 08:22, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

NIcki Minaj feud
Could probably use a section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.223.85.49 (talk) 15:49, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Not necessary. There is already a page for Hip hop feuds --WWETrishMickiefan (talk) 22:17, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

More on the "Nicki Minaj feud"
I think the "Nicki Minaj feud" section is incomplete. The real reason why it all started is that Kim thinks Minaj kept dissing her in songs since 2003. This is not all about copying styles and looks. There should also be a link to the video "Playtime is over" to explain it. [Link. So far, there are 7 videos.]

Edit request on 15 December 2012
Please change lil kim's date of birth from July 11, 1974(as that is INCORRECT) to July 11, 1976 which is her correct date of birth.

Information SOURCE: the information for the proposed change comes from a lil kim documentary entitled - lil Kim DRIVEN: behind the music (which can be found and viewed on YOUTUBE.com)

Chadchaselane (talk) 06:13, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Could you please put up a link to a reliable source so I can check it. Thanks, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 09:04, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:3 - Looking at the latest revision, I think the user is referring to this video. Unless a unanimous decision has already been decided, perhaps we could add both dates until further clarification. However, I do believe the current source holds more weight than a VH1 documentary. Regards. --WWETrishMickiefan (talk) 01:53, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

WP:UNDUE on Foxy Brown, and the reliability of the sourcing
The Lil Kim/Foxy Brown feud is one of the more notable feuds in hip hop history, there's no question about that, but the big section added recently clearly gives undue weight to the subject. The article is a mess with tabloid sources, and we are dealing with a sensitive WP:BLP here. I did the tag for reliable sourcing for that reason, and I don't have the time to go through every single tabloid source. Secret account 22:58, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 May 2013
Like many others have said Lil' Kim is not 38 years old, she was born Jully 11th 1976- making her 36 turning 37 in July. Evidence: A "Driven Behind The Music" episode on Lil' kim was aired in which her mother states (at 1:54) "Kim was born on July 11th, 1976." A YouTube link of this episode is here- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ATKtR23wE This was provided quite recently to YouTube February 2013 as it was quite hard to find the VH1 episode recorded and online.

2.96.29.80 (talk) 11:01, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. This issue has been discussed repeatedly on this talk page, and there are sources that state she was born in 1974, 1975, and 1976. This issue needs to be discussed and a consensus reached before an edit request can be made. -- El Hef  ( Meep? ) 19:57, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 June 2013
Change her year of birth and age, they are wrong. Lil' Kim is only 36 away to turn 37, she was born Jully 11th, 1976. This is proven in the VH1 episode of "Behind the music- Lil' Kim". I know other people have requested this but still can't understand why it hasn't been changed, it's my understanding the media is trying to portray her in a negative way and we, as fans, want to provide FACT- link to video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ATKtR23wE

89.240.249.214 (talk) 11:31, 9 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. This issue has been discussed repeatedly on this talk page, and there are sources that state she was born in 1974, 1975, and 1976. This issue needs to be discussed and a consensus reached before an edit request can be made. -- El Hef  ( Meep? ) 16:34, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 June 2013
89.242.70.145 (talk) 21:47, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. No request was made. -- El Hef  ( Meep? ) 00:12, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

lil kim real birthday
1:55 lil kim's Mother stated that her birthday is July 11, 1976. You have everyone thinking she's 39. MoniqueP.75.34.202.83 (talk) 02:13, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Allegations of stealing pictures
According to this imgur link, Lil' Kim stole the last picture of this imgur set. This might be worth mentioning under "controversies". Supertanno (talk) 12:37, 12 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, there is still not a single source (yet alone a reliable source) that reports this incident, anything that will be added will violate WP:BLP, I guess it just needs to wait. Nimuaq (talk) 13:05, 12 November 2013 (UTC)


 * How's this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Supertanno (talk • contribs) 19:32, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes there is! More... 85.243.216.60 (talk)


 * It looks like there are at least a couple of reliable sources at this point. I think the question now is whether the story is really notable enough to go on her page. On a side note, I'm confused that I don't see the single in question, "Dead Gal Walking", on any of Kim's Wikipedia pages.&#32;-- Fyrael (talk) 00:45, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Nothing I would call a reliable source is calling it anything more than a rumour at this stage. No need to add it yet.&mdash;Kww(talk) 01:18, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Where She has performed
Lil Kim also performed at Musicalize in London on November 22nd, 2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itsdanielmolyneaux (talk • contribs) 14:12, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

rhythmbox music player
rhythmbox music player fedora 5 doesn´t worke please tel me what can I do ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.222.97.218 (talk) 16:41, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 July 2015
Lil' Kim's date of birth is 11th July 1976, which means she is 39 years old.

EVIDENCE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ATKtR23wE

If you watch the youtube link above and go to the 1:50 mark, her mother states her date of birth.

80.0.21.94 (talk) 12:22, 14 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Sources differ on this, with the most reliable sources (various government records) stating that her birth year is 1974, but many journalistic sources stating 1975. It's quite possible that the artist is deliberately obscuring her age to appear younger. Given the situation, a direct quote from her mother is not worth including a third possible birth date/age in the article. See previous talk discussion at the top of this page and in the archives. If anyone disagrees, feel free to discuss here. Thanks for making the edit request, though, it was definitely worth bringing up. ~ RobTalk 13:08, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Genre
Under Genre, it says Hip-Hop, but she frequently records music in other genres as well. Specifically R&B and Reggae. Should it be updated since other rappers have multiple genres written on their pages too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.126.12 (talk) 16:20, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Don't Undo Kim's age
They lied about her during her career because she was under-age. her mom was keeping the lie going.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ATKtR23wE her mother confirms her age at the 1:55 mark. She is 39 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frost412 (talk • contribs) 22:20, 18 November 2015 (UTC)


 * That's one source, and family may not always tell the truth. The same issue came up at Mariah Carey, where documented sources like a driver's license and a high school transcript give a different year than what Carey's mother gives. Celebrities fudge their ages all the time. I've restored the article to what the RS citations say, so per WP:BRD, the next step is to discuss the issue on the talk page and reach a consensus for change. It generally starts informally and can go to a formal WP:RfC. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:12, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=lil+kim+identity+theft&view=detailv2&&id=B38329EAAF9D6654922E433E12F3B356125026A2&selectedIndex=0&ccid=vRlrWYoy&simid=608046509559580940&thid=OIP.Mbd196b598a32883f4a577cc5ef8f234co0&ajaxhist=0== PLEASE CORRECT HER DAMN AGE FOR ONCE AND FOR ALL JULY 11, 1979 ==

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjHduk0JrlA

DURING HER INTERVIEW WITH BOOM BASH THIS MONTH, SHE STATED THAT SHE WAS AROUND THE AGE OF 17 WHEN SHE WAS IN THE JUNIOR MAFIA'S PLAYERS ANTHEM VIDEO, RELEASED IN 1995. WHICH MAKES HER 36 NOW NOT 40 NOR 41. IT IS DISREPECTFUL TO HER AND HER FANS TO CONTINOUSLY POST FALSE INFO AND MAKING HER OLDER THAN WHAT SHE IS. STOP RELYING ON OTHER ARTICLES, WRITTEN BY PEOPLE, AND TAKEN KIM'S WORD. SHE WAS BORN JULY 11,1979 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nique79 (talk • contribs) 23:53, 18 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Sources ranging from the federal government to such respected music periodicals as Billboard say completely otherwise. Examine the cited sources in the article.--Tenebrae (talk) 20:22, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Profile Picture
Can we update the profile picture to be from the 2015 BET awards? She looked better than ever that night. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.199.104.168 (talk) 18:16, 29 June 2015 (UTC)


 * That would be fantastic. Mryear3000ify (talk) 20:13, 9 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Image needs to have unambiguous copyright clearance.

Lil Kim
I wish whoever did this make adjustments or let me do it. Lil Kim was born in 1976 her mother has stated this, her dad didnt kick her out she left the house because they would fight, he was very strict. Lil Kim has taken so many good pictures this year please take what i have said in consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KyKy92 (talk • contribs) 00:23, 23 December 2015 (UTC)


 * See 19 December 2015 comment directly above.--Tenebrae (talk) 21:55, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Plastic surgery
...isn't mentioned anywhere in the article. Really? Are we pretending this hasn't happened???? --RThompson82 (talk) 22:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

It's just as easy to add content to an article, as it is to add content to a talk page. Feel free to add whatever you want about her change of appearance (ie. she has become caucasian). It should be easy, there are currently reliable sources all over the net about this. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 11:05, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2016
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 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Blank request —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 03:16, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Hard Core
please change ((Hard Core)) to ((Hard Core (Lil' Kim album)|Hard Core)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:541:4305:c70:b464:2c6:9e5e:1603 (talk) 13:42, 15 May 2016
 * ✅ —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 19:27, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

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Birth year is 1974
After having looked through the sources and footnotes in the article (many of which are now dead links), I feel it's safe to list her birthdate as July 11, 1974. The Federal Bureau of Prisons Inmate Locater lists her at 42 years of age (her # is 56198-054, and her release date is listed as August 2, 2006, which coincides with her sentence). I also did a search on familysearch.org, which lists her D.O.B. as July 11, 1974, as well as multiple New York and New Jersey addresses; her parents, Linwood L. Jones and Ruby M. Jones are listed as relatives. These are public records, and trump any bio pages from VH1 or other fluff sources that list 1975. --Drown Soda (talk) 02:09, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2016
Lil' Kim was born on July 11th 1976. This was confirmed by her mother on her VH1 TV show called 'Driven'. You will be able to find the video on YouTube.141.92.129.43 (talk) 15:13, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * As discussed above, this is not a reliable source. There are too many contradictions. Karst (talk) 15:21, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Controversies
Can someone clean up the typos in those paragraphs? There are some spaces & quotation marks missing. 63.92.248.121 (talk) 03:32, 27 August 2016 (UTC) Darwin
 * I did two reverts that inserted a lot of unverified material into that section. I would be good to have a discussion on what has merit with reliable sources there and what would be trivial. Karst (talk) 11:14, 27 August 2016 (UTC)