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Fifth album title
Per the discussion here, there's been no official confirmation on the title of Lil' Kim's fifth album. There have been rumors, but nothing concrete. The only people who have stated that the album is called Black Widow are either specifically saying that Wikipedia has this listed or they were written long after the information was added to the article, meaning that they're clearly pulling from us as a source. Until we have official confirmation from the performer or her official representatives, the album should be considered untitled. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  10:35, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Analysis
There seems to be a lot of debate on Lil'Kim's real age and personal life. Their claims are most likely biased towards things people have heard, so can the references really be reliable unless they come straight from Lil'Kim or someone in her family? --Janinemalahoff (talk) 22:03, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

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Legacy Section
Its time for Lil' Kim to have "Legacy" section in her Wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Godneybjs (talk • contribs) 09:06, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Question about the opening header paragraph
"Her following albums, The Notorious K.I.M. (2000) and La Bella Mafia (2003), were certified Platinum, making her the only female rapper besides Missy Elliott to have at least 3 Platinum albums." Maybe this should be changed to "only solo female rapper" because Salt-N-Pepa also have 3 platinum albums. Horizonlove (talk) 23:04, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2018

 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Press releases aren't inherently inappropriate reference sources. The press release was used to source a claim that isn't controversial, hence that source is fine. Cite press release exists because press releases are often used as sources. feminist (talk) 13:19, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

PRweb link
Press releases aren't appropriate reference sources. TaxAct2018 (talk) 10:23, 8 February 2018 (UTC) TaxAct2018 (talk) 10:23, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2018
Change Lil' Kims birthdate 1975 or 1976 to 1974. Source: Icons of Hip Hop: an Encyclopedia of the Movement, Music, and Culture. Volume 2: p. 441 (Kimberly Jones was born in Brooklyn, New York, on July 11, 1974.) Author of the article: Aine McGlynn. 5.179.20.66 (talk) 08:37, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2019
"March of 2019" = "March 2019" 2605:E000:9149:8300:8C39:927C:54DA:93BC (talk) 01:57, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
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Getting article to Good Article Status
Is she a singer-songwriter? Could we get an update on her album and singles sales please. It's 2019.--A21sauce (talk) 23:40, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

BLP edit-warring
On his talk page, I have asked User:Lilkim.xl not to edit-war but to follow WP:BRD and discuss his WP:BLP violations here on the article talk page. --Tenebrae (talk) 05:52, 29 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I’m not trying to be in a “edit war” I’m just placing down the real,accurate things about “Lil’Kim”

I am a fan of hers so how are you gonna tell me what’s her real age ? Lilkim.xl (talk) 05:59, 29 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm not. I'm telling you what multiple RS sources cited in the footnotes say — including an entire VH1 article devotes specifically to discussing her varied birthdate claims. Please read the footnotes, which include music sites, books, encyclopedias and a US government source.--Tenebrae (talk) 06:02, 29 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Also, claims of personal wealth is a personal-life claim about a living person and requires an extremely WP:RS citation.--Tenebrae (talk) 06:09, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

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Untitled
Lil kim was born in 1974 and is now currently in the year of 2020 bout to be 46 years old There is, in fact, an entire VH1 article here specifically saying that journalistic sources disagree on her age. ("How Old Is Lil’ Kim, Exactly?" by Bené Viera, July 11, 2012). An excerpt (with reliable sources boldfaced): "Her bios on Billboard, TV Guide, Yahoo Movies and Starpulse corroborate Wikipedia’s 1975 birth [at the time the article was written] On the other hand, AOL Music’s bio page for the BK rapper is in line with IMDB’s 1974. In 2005, MSNBC wrote, “Lil’ Kim, who turns 30 next week…” which would again make this a happy 37th birthday. And People.com in 2003 referred to her as a then 28-year-old making her 37 today [and not 39 until July 11, 2014]."

The best example of how to approach this is Mariah Carey. Choosing one RS over another is POV unless we have definitive evidence such as a birth record. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:02, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

NJ Voter Registration has her as born in 1974. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.12.88.237 (talk) 17:08, 11 April 2014 (UTC)


 * That would be a great footnote. Do you have a link for that citation? --Tenebrae (talk) 22:57, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, I am able to find her in the Federal Bureau of Prisoners inmate locator (http://www.bop.gov/inmateloc/). Her BOP register number is 56198-054. Melonkelon (talk) 06:07, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Her drivers license says she was born July 11, 1979. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nilablack (talk • contribs) 01:39, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

There was considerable publicity around the release of her baby's photo on what was said to be her fortieth birthday, 11 July 2014. 31.55.60.218 (talk) 10:42, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

On Lil Kim's episode of Driven Behind The Music, Jones' mother says she was born July 11, 1976. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:832E:6870:DC4A:32BC:9030:52A8 (talk) 03:16, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

The BBC bio has taken it's info from wikipedia and can therefore not be considered as a source. TvGuide doesn't give any date at all.DrKilleMoff (talk) 13:18, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


 * As DrKilleMoff said, the BBC bio explicitly cites Wikipedia as its source, and the TV Guide link (at least as of now) includes no age/birthdate info. I'll remove both links. The other two links supporting the July 11 1975 birth date, All Music and Billboard, are word-for-word identical, and the content is licensed from TiVo Corporation, which acquired it from a company called Rovi Corporation, neither of which have a reputation for accuracy or fact-checking, to my knowledge. I'll remove those links as well, on that basis. (At the bottom of the Billboard bio, it lists the source as Rovi, and AllMusic's submission guide says to mail info to TiVo Corporation.) While Billboard's news publication may arguably be a reliable source, their website simply licenses TiVo's database of biographical content. The NY Times and LA Times also license dubious third party data for their website-only bios, which aren't vetted by the news organizations' fact-checkers and editors.


 * The July 11 1974 date is consistent with the age reported in these articles: 2005 New York Times, 2014 LA Times/2014 Chicago Tribune (identical article; author worked for both papers), 2016 Washington Post, 2014 The Independent.


 * The July 11 1975 date is consistent with the age reported in these articles: 2000 LA Times (it credits a NY Daily News staff writer, so perhaps that was a reprinted Daily News article), 2000 Washington Post, 2004 Rolling Stone, 2005 Chicago Tribune, 1997 The Independent, 1998 The Independent.


 * All the above news sources before her March 17 2005 perjury conviction are consistent with the 1975 date, and all after that are consistent with the 1974 date. This is PURE personal speculation, but I'd guess that for some reason she falsely gave 1975 as her birth year until either the conviction changed her attitude toward lying, or maybe the July 2005 New York Times article's fact checker(s) accessed her Brooklyn birth certificate showing 1974, and she decided to use 1974 after that.


 * The Daily Mail, which is not a reliable source, had three relatively recent articles where her age was consistent with the 1974 date, and one article where her age was 3 years younger than that...a good illustration of why it's not considered a reliable source.


 * Some sources listing July 11 1974 specifically:
 * · 2016 Gazette Review article (I'm unfamiliar with this website/publication).
 * · 2014 Toronto Sun article (but the article was licensed from a third party called wenn.com, with which I'm unfamiliar).
 * · Icons of Hip Hop: An Encyclopedia of the Movement, Music, and Culture, Volume 2 (2007 book)


 * Some sources listing July 11 1975 specifically:
 * · Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock & Roll: Rolling Stone, page 566, (2001 book)
 * · Encyclopedia of African American Actresses in Film and Television (2009 book)
 * · This Day in Music: An Every Day Record of Musical Feats and Facts (2010 book)


 * While I'm guessing the 3 books saying 1975 are wrong, they seem to me to meet the criteria for reliable sources, so I'll add those in lieu of the current four references I'm removing.


 * Agyle (talk) 01:14, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Lil Kim is actually Born In 1979 ArrogantBoii (talk) 16:24, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Her birth year is showing incorrectly. She was born in 1976. Her mom stated this information in a biography about her. Cchicob27 (talk) 06:52, 4 August 2019 (UTC)


 * And multiple, highly WP:RS cited sources say otherwise. It's hardly unusual for actors, singers or their families to fudge entertainers' ages. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:39, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Her birthday year is wrong it’s 1976 she’s 43 Cchicob27 (talk) 02:25, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

infobox image
Personally not keen on the infobox image that's been on there since March 25. It's from over 20 years ago, when she was in her mid-20s, and she looks to be wearing some large hat (or some other object is in the way) which obscures her hair, whereas the previous one is from less than ten years ago and I believe better represents her now, in middle-age. Not a huge fan of that one either to be honest but I find it better than the new one. Thoughts? The brave celery (talk) 04:35, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 2 July 2021
He daughter is a barb🦄 75.170.53.234 (talk) 02:31, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2022
Lil kim is not 48 u can pull up her driven episode on on YouTube where her mother states kim was nor July 12th 1976 I don't know where yall got 74 from cause I'm sure none if you are fans and know anything about her besides he say she say. 2603:8000:1C01:8FBB:35C9:C644:7D61:6C24 (talk) 14:46, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * ❌. Because she served one year for perjury, she was inmate number 56198-054 which you can find at the Federal Bureau of Prisons Inmate Locator. That website confirms her age as 48, which puts her birth year at 1974. Binksternet (talk) 15:14, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2022
In the "Early life, family and education" section, first paragraph, last sentence, the "Jones" is unnecessary as the subject is already established. Jawnmays (talk) 09:01, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Have also done some further rewording as none of the cited sources in that section directly say her father "kicked her out", just that she left. Perhaps the preceding sentence could be elaborated on to better provide context - I'm not sure "tumultuous relationship" adequately captures what the two sources we cite describe: "According to Kim he became increasingly verbally abusive and their relationship took a violent turn — Kim once stabbed him with a pair of scissors." and "Fights between father and daughter became more frequent--and violent, she says. On at least one occasion, Kim remembers, her morning wake-up call was a fist crashing into her face." I'm not sure if we should go ahead and describe this or not. Cannolis (talk) 19:11, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Lil'kim was not born 1974
Kim was born July 11th 1976 her mother has stated this can someone please correct this. Aresgodofwar83 (talk) 19:17, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 March 2023
Aresgodofwar83 (talk) 19:38, 8 March 2023 (UTC) Lil kim was born July 11,1976 not 74 she will be turning 47. Her mother has confirmed this on tv. Kim has a song called identity theft the cover shows a driver license with her birthday July 11,1976 aswell you guys need to change this, this why people say wiki is not a reliable source to begin with.

Yes Aresgodofwar83 (talk) 19:39, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2023
TheBeehive1999 (talk) 04:11, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Lil’Kim is currently 46 going on 48 years old. It’s been said by many she lied about being older to sign her record deal. However Lil’Kim was born June 11th, 1976 in Brooklyn NYC.
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Influences
Lil' Kim has mentioned Janet Jackson as one of her biggest influences. Multiple interviews as well as through her music, where she mentions Janet's name multiple times. Why has Janet's name not been included? 122.161.50.131 (talk) 19:10, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Hip Hop 50
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