Talk:Lil Tay/Archive 1

Capitalization
It seems that the draft for the correct capitalization, Draft:Lil Tay has been indefinitely set to requiring administrator privileges to create. Due to the recent news, should this be lifted to allow for this page to be moved to its correct capitalization? Is this page allowed to be created at all, or is it considered a bypass of the administrator lock? Hopefully an administrator can look into this ASAP and see what can be done from here. B3251 (talk) 20:42, 9 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Looks like it has been fixed. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 23:34, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2023
she was born 29th july 2009 Lishiluvs (talk) 14:24, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you provide a source? Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 14:39, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2023 (2)
As of 2023, August, Lil Tay is no longer alive AngelicaMayflower127 (talk) 15:57, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  16:31, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2023 (4)
71.121.187.113 (talk) 18:44, 10 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ❌: provide a reliable source to support your request. Rejoy2003(talk) 18:47, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2023 (3)
real name is Claire Tian, not Tay Tian 71.121.187.113 18:41, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ❌: provide a reliable source to support your request. Rejoy2003(talk) 18:48, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2023 (5)
Please add this page to Category:Living people. 87.115.236.31 (talk) 21:51, 10 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ Rejoy2003(talk) 22:06, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Add that she has partial Chinese Ancestry
Add that she has partial Chinese ancestry 2600:8805:C07:600:3157:1B87:B51F:6D57 (talk) 20:43, 10 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Provide a reliable source to support your statement. Rejoy2003(talk) 20:54, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/where-lil-tay-live-ethnicity-nationality-explored-wake-death-news-claim 2600:8805:C07:600:3157:1B87:B51F:6D57 (talk) 21:10, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That's not a reliable source. Sportskeeda is marked as unreliable per WP:RSP. Black Kite (talk) 21:13, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm still new so this might be wrong, I've checked WP:RSP and it seems like 'The Cut' is reliable. It mentions here that her mother is Chinese, so would that not make her of Chinese descent/have Chinese Ancestry?
 * https://www.thecut.com/article/who-was-lil-tay.html Lyeuhm (talk) 22:25, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2023
Her name is Claire Eileen Qi Hope 173.183.40.38 (talk) 03:46, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ❌: provide a reliable source to support your request. <b style="color:#000;">Rejoy</b>2003(<b style="color:#060;">talk</b>) 04:36, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2023 (2)
Remove the section claiming she died August 2023, as her “death” was a hoax. 139.216.212.85 (talk) 10:27, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ❌: Why this should be removed when it was actually reported that she died? <b style="color:#000;">Rejoy</b>2003(<b style="color:#060;">talk</b>) 12:11, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Disputed Legal Name
Multiple sources, including this one, have stated another name as her "real" name, which, while possibly not her currently legal name, may have been her birth name, as her parents are estranged: Claire Eileen Qi Hope https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/lil-tay-dead-rapper-influencer-1235559981

I fact, in 2020, an Instagram account with the user name @claireeileenqihope claiming to be a then-12-year-old "Lil Tay" apologized for her behavior in 2017, explaining that she had changed her ways to focus on school, something her father had reportedly advocated for. Tay's more recent claim that her real last name is Tian may have been influenced by her mother becoming her primary caregiver during the ongoing, years-long custody battle. https://www.instagram.com/claireileenqihope

WP:RSP

Wikchard (talk) 12:57, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Date of Birth / Age
July 29, 2007 (Making her 16 as of August 11, 2023, and 10 in 2017 when she/her brother was claiming that she was 9) - This adds important context & necessitates a format change for inline & info box age references.

This article also contains a lot of other detailed information, & appears to be one of the most researched. https://www.thecut.com/article/who-was-lil-tay.html

Based on this information, Tay's / Tay's brother's claim that she was 9 appears to have been false.

(The Cut is a subsidiary of The New Yorker.)

WP:RSP Wikchard (talk) 12:47, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * That's her brother who was aged 16, see Jason, Lil Tay’s half-brother, is the genius behind the curtain. also see for better clarification But because Jason was only 16 and Tay only 9, Battle needed more than Jason’s admiration. <b style="color:#000;">Rejoy</b>2003(<b style="color:#060;">talk</b>) 13:55, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * To clarify, her brother was 16 in 2017 while she was, according to her date of birth, 10, claiming to be 9. Wikchard (talk) 14:08, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm adding this statement for editors referring to this source. Although the birth name is disputed, the article states that, Claire Eileen Qi Hope’s origin story: She was born to a Chinese mother and a Canadian father on July 29, 2007. <b style="color:#000;">Rejoy</b>2003(<b style="color:#060;">talk</b>) 14:20, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2023 (3)
Remove that her death was Aug 2023, this was confirmed to be a hoax. She is not dead. 2601:197:A7F:F4C0:2D07:2BF1:B30E:81D4 (talk) 12:40, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  12:43, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Here's a source re it being a hoax: https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/us-celebrity-news/breaking-lil-tay-brother-confirmed-30669405 Kheto (talk) 13:13, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Sources definitely currently support that she's alive and the death was a hoax and sources originally reporting her death have retracted/updated their reporting —that's just from grabbing the first three sources already in the article.
 * At the same time, it's not clear to me what change is being requested here; nothing in the article right now states that she died, just that her death was reported. The last sentence of the lede could be improved IMHO, but there's not a clear change request here. Dylnuge  (Talk • Edits) 16:25, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Date Template Change Request
As mentioned elsewhere, according to a reliable source, Tay was born on July 29, 2007. 3 places in the article use the "age on this date" template to calculate the year Tay was born. I am not familiar enough with templates to change this. Would another editor please look into this?

This article states that "Claire Eileen Qi Hope... was born to a Chinese mother and a Canadian father on July 29, 2007."

https://www.thecut.com/article/who-was-lil-tay.html

Update: Disregard - Looks like this request was granted without my knowledge around the same time that I was typing it.

Wikchard (talk) 01:22, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 August 2023
Add real, legal name of Tay Tian to the beginning of the article. Cite: https://variety.com/2023/music/news/lil-tay-alive-internet-rapper-death-hoax-1235693206/ Keteague (talk) 22:08, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: see footnote a - "There are conflicting reports of her legal name being "Claire Eileen Qi Hope" or "Tay Tian"" Cannolis (talk) 23:18, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Manager refutes her alleged death
Media reports have not provided evidence yet, while her old manager has said that the source of the information is not to be trusted. Sebschuth (talk) 23:40, 9 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Can you link the source of this for me? Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 00:37, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * https://www.insider.com/lil-tay-dead-child-rapper-influencer-claire-hope-instagram-2023-8?amp
 * About half way down the page, former managers name is Harry Tsang(sp) Lyeuhm (talk) 01:22, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll note it. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 14:40, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

It seems early to be jumping to the conclusion that she is dead, agreed
The author of the Time magazine article headlines that her family announces her death, but has no more evidence than a post on her account, which combined with multiple reports of her father denying any knowledge of this - rather more specific than "her family", - is consistent with the hypothesis, for example, that her ig account could have been hacked, say. Certainly at least there's no strong evidence that she's dead and strong evidence that she may not be... ELSchissel (talk) 00:47, 10 August 2023 (UTC)


 * That is pretty suspicious, im not gonna lie ShallowC (talk) 03:21, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The article from CTV News Vancouver said that they’ve contacted the police departments in the Vancouver area, with no reports of any deaths with Tay’s name. If that’s the case, it’s either she died somewhere else or she didn’t die at all. Either way, it seems very suspicious. CommanderJänsen (talk) 05:51, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yep. Even Tay's father's representative said this "Given the complexities of the current circumstances, I am at a point where I cannot definitively confirm or dismiss the legitimacy of the statement issued by the family.” - Harry Tsang source Kiwiz1338 (talk) 08:49, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It is definitely too early. The only source we have is an Instagram post, far from a reliable source. I'm honestly shocked at how many media outlets have pronounced her dead just off this information alone, especially as there's been no reports from the Vancouver Police Department about her death or an investigation into it. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:11, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The report turned out to be fake. Lil Tay’s family says she’s alive, claims account was hacked: Report - ABC News (go.com) Cwater1 (talk) 22:53, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * CTV, an otherwise considered by many to be a reputable & reliable media company owned by Bell Canada, which eventually did update the story, is among the news organizations that initially took the post as fact & reported her death as real news. Disappointing. Wikchard (talk) 13:32, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * she's alive 2607:FB91:1098:9F41:AD2:2E57:81D5:5082 (talk) 14:04, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Insane what hackers can do. Cwater1 (talk) 16:31, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Snopes issues correction
Well, it seems even Snopes jumped the gun on this. While researching this topic yesterday, I encountered their article titled "Yes, Child Rapper Lil Tay Has Died", though I chose not to include this information due to the previous reports of false allegations and hoax reports. It seems that Snopes issued a correction today, placing a new title; "Child Rapper Lil Tay Has Died, According to an Instagram Post". Happy to see that they were prompt with their correction, though it shows that even fact-checking websites can get caught in the media frenzy as well.--WMrapids (talk) 17:46, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Misleading article
Who is the moron that changed the page to say that Variety received a phone call from the manager? The article they cited does not state this anywhere, and beyond the instagram post, there is NO confirmation. For a locked page you'd think someone could actually list some accurate information. 66.67.41.102 (talk) 11:26, 10 August 2023 (UTC)


 * It's the first sentence in the article Kheto (talk) 12:20, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The variety article just quotes the instagram. Secretlondon (talk) 13:35, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Conflicting birth dates
In the top of the article, Tay's date of birth is listed as July 29, 2009, however, in both her infobox and the early life segment her birth is listed as May 29, 2009. Could these conflicting dates be fixed? Colino164 (talk) 04:58, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅: reverted disruptive editing by IP editors. <b style="color:#000;">Rejoy</b>2003(<b style="color:#060;">talk</b>) 05:21, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Tay's real name
At this point, it's pretty obvious that Tay's real name is Tay Tian. It's been said by Tay herself and her lawyers. It's in many reliable sources. See here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and in many other sources.

The name is already in the article, just in a footnote. It should be moved out of this note, and Tay should be referred to as "Tian" throughout the article, as with other articles about people. Strugglehouse (talk) 20:52, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Legal Name
More recent articles seem to be using Tay Tian as her legal name https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/lil-tay-returns-social-media-195106905.html https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/lol-tay-social-media-death-hoax-father-music-video-1234836082/ https://www.complex.com/music/a/markelibert/lil-tay-accuses-father-and-his-wife-of-abuse-sexual-behavior and that’s the name listed in the credits of her new song. While that may not necessarily be her birth name it’s definitely her legal name now. CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 14:36, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Query DOB
Hi all,

Conflicting reports on the DOB of this person. Multiple online outlets showing DOB is 2 years older than reported on this page. Any verification on DOB before change made? NorthernSystems (talk) 22:10, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I've had a quick look. I can't find any RS with an actual DOB. All there's are the current references. It might be one of those cases where there isn't an accurate DOB, just the year. Knitsey (talk) 22:22, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Source for the 2007 birth year can be found here. Confirmed by The Cut and her former manager.
 * https://www.eonline.com/news/1382790/who-is-lil-tay-everything-to-know-about-the-teen-rapper-at-center-of-death-hoax 2603:6080:7C03:A27E:38A6:BEF2:2750:618E (talk) 23:05, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I can't see anything about eonline and reliability so it might be ok as a source. As there are quite a few sources contradicting this, I would suggest it would need more sources but I would rather wait to see if anyone more experienced than me has views on that source and whether more sources are needed. Knitsey (talk) 23:12, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Complex also lists 16 https://www.complex.com/music/a/markelibert/lil-tay-accuses-father-and-his-wife-of-abuse-sexual-behavior CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 14:37, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * They are also not on Reliable sources/Perennial sources Ethoori (talk) 22:01, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * There’s a court case about her which does mention the year of her birth, but not the date. The details, timing, and initials of the case match up. Take a look: https://canlii.ca/t/jg1r8 Rashidstory (talk) 09:49, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * eonline is E! News and owned by NBC. There aren't any media bias checks so I have sent it to MBFC. Ethoori (talk) 22:01, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * This was my concern as well. With the current sources, it seems that she was lying about her age, which to me, seems unlikely. According to many sources, she was 14 in September. The Guardian even says she's 15. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/aug/12/lil-tay-death-hoax-kids-viral-fame Ethoori (talk) 21:52, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Age is incorrect
Lil tay said herself she was 9 in 2018 meaning she is either 15 or 14, but she is likely 14 Ilovechildren456 (talk) 22:47, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly, there was at least one site or video that claimed that Lil Tay has since denied that she really had been 9 at the time. And that the 2007 birthdate is correct. ― C.Syde  ( talk  |  contribs ) 23:21, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2023
The age of Lil Tay is incorrect as it states on wiki she is 16, which is incorrect as her real age is 14 as she stated herself in an Instagram live video last week and I quote "I was 9, five years ago" which would make her 14 today not 16, other than this Lil Tay has never publicly stated her birthday or age online. Aura1847 (talk) 16:02, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Multiple reliable sources are cited for her age. Those sources also note that she has incorrectly stated her age in videos. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 16:48, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly, there was at least one site or video that claimed that Lil Tay has since denied that she really had been 9 at the time. And that the 16 age is correct. ― C.Syde  ( talk  |  contribs ) 02:08, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Lil Tay's correct age is 14 years old
Lil Tay age has been confirmed by reputable sources such as Rolling Stone & New York Post. Lil Tay's confirmed age is 14. Article link and reference below.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/lol-tay-social-media-death-hoax-father-music-video-1234836082/ https://nypost.com/2023/08/09/lil-tay-dead-at-14-star-and-brothers-sudden-death-under-investigation/ Redcarpetnest (talk) 18:11, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ❌ See the above section. Black Kite (talk) 18:13, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly, there was at least one site or video that claimed that Lil Tay has since denied that she really had been 9 in 2007–2008. And that the 16 age is correct. ― C.Syde  ( talk  |  contribs ) 02:08, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 October 2023
Lil Tay is 14, not 16 2601:1C2:97F:9E20:3483:A143:6560:FF4B (talk) 12:14, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ❌ See the above sections. Black Kite (talk) 12:24, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly, there was at least one site or video that claimed that Lil Tay has since denied that she really had been 9 in 2007–2008. And that the 16 age is correct. ― C.Syde  ( talk  |  contribs ) 02:08, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 October 2023
Birth year is 2009 Kuroisbroken (talk) 21:38, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. See the several previous discussion about this above.  RudolfRed (talk) 23:19, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly, there was at least one site or video that claimed that Lil Tay has since denied that she really had been 9 in 2007–2008. And that the 2007 birthyear is correct. ― C.Syde  ( talk  |  contribs ) 02:08, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

References regarding birth location?
Is there any credible proof regarding Lil Tay being born in or having even lived in Atlanta, Georgia? I am aware that she stated moving bricks in Atlanta, but she also claimed to have been a Harvard student before dropping out, so I'm wondering if there is any evidence for this claim or if it should be removed. Rashidstory (talk) 00:01, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


 * The Time article says Tian, who is originally from Atlanta, Ga., and later moved to Vancouver, British Columbia. Is there any actual reason to believe that's wrong? If the reliable sources report that Tay was from Atlanta, then so does Wikipedia unless we have a reason not to. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 15:02, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The article in question also implies that Lil Tay was 9 years old in 2018, which implies she was born in 2009 which has been throughly contested by multiple sources. Time is generally reliable for news, but articles should still be looked at for credibility. In this case, the author in question typically writes about celebrity gossip and internet trends and doesn’t seem to be an authoritative expert.
 * According to Wikipedia:Reliable Sources, “Whether a specific news story is reliable for a fact or statement should be examined on a case-by-case basis”, and the fact that the age was reported without verifying puts the statement about where she is from into question, especially as the statement of where she is from isn’t the primary focus of the article and the article itself didn’t link or cite anything supporting it. Rashidstory (talk) 19:57, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Year of Birth
It's being highly debated whether she was born in 2007 or 2009. As some sources state that she claimed to be 9 in 2017―2018 when in reality she was 11. However, there are other sources that state that it was Lil Tay's father who made the claim that she was 2 years older than she actually is. A Discord Server which appears to be owned by Lil Tay states that she is currently 14 years old. And that the 2007 year of birth is incorrect. And apparently her TikTok account supports the 2009 year of birth as well. Assuming that's actually her account.

I don't use TikTok myself. So I don't know how reliable or unreliable accounts in TikTok are. I know that Wikipedia likely won't accept social media sites like Discord or TikTok as proof that she was born in 2009. Which is why I suggest that we review the sources that support the 2007 year of birth. And the ones that support the 2009 year of birth. So we can hopefully resolve the debate regarding her official year of birth. I would also strongly recommend that anyone who has contact with Lil Tay comes forward with reliable information that can debunk whichever claims are incorrect. ― C.Syde  ( talk  |  contribs ) 11:44, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * There is little debate about the date; there are at least three reliable sources confirming 2007, as well as a court document. The only sources reporting that she was born in 2009 are those taking the subject's own word for it (or extrapolating from the fact she claimed to be 9 years old in 2018).  The Discord server etc. are not reliable sources, because Lil Tay is not a reliable source for her own birth date, as has already been proved. Black Kite (talk) 12:11, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. At this point I'm not entirely sure what to believe. Other than that it's probably best to go with the sources that support the 2007 year of birth. I predicted that the Discord Server would not be considered a reliable source. But I thought I'd check, given how persistent some people are in believing the 2009 year of birth. Which is most likely the year that the Lil Tay character was born, as opposed to the actual person portraying her. I can't read what the first source says. Since I'm not a member of that site. So I can't read what it says about her age. ― C.Syde  ( talk  |  contribs ) 12:31, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Where/how has is been proven that Lil Tay is not a reliable source for her own birth date? DLeeWiki (talk) 19:38, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Because the age that she claimed to be conflicts with reliable sources (including a court document containing her birth date). However, in general no person is taken to be a reliable source about their own personal details (because, sometimes, people don't tell the truth and this is not uncommon when it concerns their ages) which is why we rely on secondary sources. Black Kite (talk) 20:20, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Tays Age
Lil Tay is actually not 16 she's 14 as confirmed by her on Twitter https://x.com/liltaybepoppin/status/1744550669854363921?s=61 75.131.12.254 (talk) 02:51, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Twitter is not considered a reliable source. And neither is Discord. Lil Tay herself is also not considered a reliable source. Because not everyone tells the truth about their age. Which is why Wikipedia relies on secondary sources over primary ones when regarding people's ages. On top of that, there are multiple reliable sources which support the 2007 year of birth. As well as a court document which also supports the 2007 year of birth. ― C.Syde  ( talk  |  contribs ) 11:03, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2024
Lil tay has stated multiple times that shes 14 meaning shes born on July 29th 2009 NOT 2007 Tesywesy (talk) 20:22, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 21:34, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 March 2024
Lil Tay has confirmed that she is 14 years old, on the X account that she has endorsed on her Instagram. Please change her birth date from July 2007 to July 2009.

https://x.com/liltaybepoppin/status/1763311031617474731?s=46&t=1NGGfBkwsS5YENLCgK1dIw Wavkay (talk) 04:50, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Not done, see Talk:Lil Tay/Archive 1. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 21:19, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Tay's Parents
Information from The Cut about Tay's parents was removed at some point during the edit war on August 10. Should this information be added back?

https://www.thecut.com/article/who-was-lil-tay.html#:~:text=Claire%20Eileen%20Qi%20Hope%E2%80%99s,Tay%20was%20the%20vehicle. 2601:18E:C37C:3D00:CC0F:832A:4382:F6CF (talk) 11:59, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2024
Lil tay was actually born in 2009, and she is currently 14 turning 15 later this year. 2600:6C4A:65F0:EF0:B504:5556:A50C:B001 (talk) 16:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Multiple reliable sources are cited for her age. The sources state she incorrectly stated her age in the videos. Also see Talk:Lil Tay/Archive 1 for when this question was brought up earlier Wiiformii (talk) 22:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)