Talk:Lilburn Boggs

Name - Lilliburn W. Boggs
Isn't his name 'Lilliburn W. Boggs'? I have seen more references to that name than the one currently posted. Jgardner 20:56, 2004 Oct 18 (UTC)


 * You have? Where? The History of the Church and D. Michael Quinn (Origins of Power) use this spelling. If you're refering to this link, that's clearly a typo. saintswithouthalos has 7 other pages with this spelling in it. According to google, there are over 1800 examples of Lilburn W. Boggs online, but only two Lilliburn. It is a common-enough typo to merit redirect though. Cool Hand Luke (Communicate!)  21:14, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

There are two Lilburn Boggs. One is Gov. Lilburn Wycliff Boggs and the other is his Great Grandson, Lilburn F. Boggs, born to one of the son's of William Montgomery and Sonora Hicklin in Sonoma, California. Dr. Thomas Jefferson Boggs was the only brother of Gov. Lilburn Wycliff Boggs. Dr. Thomas Jefferson Boggs was my Great, Great Grandfather. Gov. Boggs and Panthea Grant Boone had 10 children, 7 boys and 3 girls. Panthea Grant Boone was the Granddaughter of Daniel and Rebecca Bryan Boone. Daniel Boones son Jesse Bryan Boone is the father of Panthea Grant Boone. This information is from family history I have aquired. DRCook, West Jordan, Utah.


 * Actually, there were at least five Lilburn Boggses -- the governor and three grandsons (by three different sons, distinguished from one another by their middle names), and the great grandson mentioned. Several sources give Boggs' middle name as Williams, not Wycliff. Does anybody have a good 19th century source to verify what the W really stood for? --Reader


 * A recent anon is asserting that Williams is the appropriate name, citing his gravestone as documentation. I have nothing personally invested in Wycliffe, as it was used here before I began editing the page.  All but one secondary source that I personally have to hand simply uses W., the other uses Wycliffe.  But as Wikipedia practice encourages the documentation of significant changes to a page (Verifiability), whether from a written source or an online link, other sources would be important before such a change is made.  I will not revert again right away, but would like to see source material in the near future.  Perhaps one that refers to a primary document from Boggs' time?  WBardwin 06:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Why not just leave it at "Lilburn W. Boggs" until somebody can offer definitive proof one way or the other? I haven't seen any documentation whatsoever that it was "Wycliffe," but I have seen photos of the gravestone with "Williams."


 * Photo of Boggs' grave with "Williams" clearly visible at http://www.jwha.info/mmff/boggs.htm

That headstone was erected more than 50 years after Boggs' death by a local association that perhaps did perform due diligence. Wycliff is the name in the Boggs' family bible, letters, etc (my grandfather was the Governor's direct great-great-great grandson) someone changed Wycliff to Williams a few years ago on Wikipedia (it formally said Wycliff) and it spread like a virus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RKboggs (talk • contribs) 12:56, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

'Legal to "exterminate" Mormons in Missouri'
This language is absurd, paranoid, PoV, and inflammatory:
 * For over 130 years it was legal to "exterminate" Mormons in Missouri until ...

On the other hand, --Jerzy•t 21:20, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * If it is verifiable that that is what Mormons are taught, we should state that.
 * If that's what Bond said in his apology, we should state that.
 * And no doubt there were anti-Mormon Missourians who thot an executive order could suspend the homicide laws (perhaps despite, besides before, the "due process" amendments). If any of them can be verified to have acted upon that belief those could even be events worthy not only of mention here but of individual articles. But even instances of such a belief or defense would have to be distinguished from crimes committed in the atmosphere that at least the decade or so that included such an order would stem from and perpetuate; probably many (and perhaps most) went unpunished because of something entirely different from it being legal, or even being believed legal. For example, false claims of self-defense or of accidental deaths, that produced reasonable doubt or jury nullification, may be an aspect of the religion-based parallel of genocide ( [wink] credocide, 2 of about 7? credicide, 37 of about 320? ), but they are not instances of acts of "extermination" being legal.

Thank you, Jerzy, for injecting a note of reason!

Boggs bullet comes out in meeting
I recall in History class hearing that one of the BB's from assassination attempt came through Boggs nose while he was speaking before the State Senate, to which he replied something along the lines of "I told you there were a few things loose" Can anyone verify this  71.213.75.114 00:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC) Ok, I'm not an authority on guns but - a revolver that fires buckshot?! This seems pretty fanciful to me. More likely he was shot with a shotgun. Only response to the above post - buckshot wouldn't be BB's. Buckshot is pretty nice size, like a small ball bearing.Eggerst 22:11, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I just did a quick Google search and came up with Buckshot revolvers hits. It appears they did exist. 92.20.17.31 (talk) 23:40, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned Image
I posted the official portrait of Boggs. The image below has an attribution issue but I don't want to be the one who orphans or deletes it. Americasroof 01:38, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Pro-Mormom 'spin'?
At first reading this article strikes me as having some WP:POV and neutrality issues. It seems very "pro-Mormon" if you will, with some rather inflamatory language. I'm not anti-Mormon at all, so don't jump down my pie hole, I'm just "pro-Neutrality". How about a rewrite using more sources not associated with the LDS point of view? Think I'll add this to my growing list of Mo. Governor projects to work on, but it may be awhile. Anyone else want to take a crack at it first be my guest. Have a great Wiki kinda day! Sector001 (talk) 16:09, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Assassination attempt, don't believe there was an actual trial
The info in the article has a reference or two claiming that there was a trial of Porter Rockwell and that he was acquitted (while some other articles say he was convicted.) But, various other things I've read indicate that instead the grand jury did not find enough evidence to issue an indictment for murder. Therefore, there was no trial for murder. The Porter Rockwell article does indicate an indictment and conviction for Rockwell's jail break while under arrest, but that is a separate matter. Why the discrepancy? Is there a definitive well researched account that has all of the particulars? Red Harvest (talk) 01:24, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

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Citation Not Needed?
A Citation Needed flag is affixed to "although most of Boggs' contemporaries remained convinced of his guilt." It seems to me this phrase constitutes OR and is not neutral. As such, it should require no citation, only deletion. In addition, "cotemporaries" is ambiguous. If a citation could be found, the wording would first require a definition of who is meant by "contemporaries." Finally, Boggs remained convinced of Porter's guilt but we know of no evidence or reason for his belief. So if others shared this belief, it is of value to know it as relevant to the scene but not mistake it as adding legitimacy to the belief. I would not be too surprised to find out that in fact, someone like Porter did pull the trigger but this article should reflect the fact that we have no evidence or reason to indict Porter. But this does not mean that Boggs had no reason, we just do not know if he did have. 2601:545:4400:4CB0:227E:9BD5:EA23:44AB (talk) 18:04, 20 January 2022 (UTC)