Talk:Lilith's Brood

References section
What does this reference section refer to? There aren't citations within the article. Pnkrockr 00:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Page move
I would like to move the page to "Lilith's Brood" since this is the current title of the collection. The introduction can state that it was originally published as "Xenogenesis." -Classicfilms 16:27, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The page has been moved to "Lilith's Brood." -Classicfilms 03:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

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"Brings a sense of completeness" sounds like an opinion
"Imago brings a sense of completeness to the three books" sounds a bit as a opinion, especially since reception section of the article claims the opposite.

Tijmen Wil (talk) 21:43, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Information about the trilogy that originally appeared in Butler's bio
Here is what Butler said about the origins of the trilogy. I plan to find more information to write a background section. --DrX (talk) 23:20, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


 * In an interview with Joshunda Sanders, Butler commented on the space race and its influence on her work. She noted, "I think of the space race as a way of having a nuclear war without having one." She claimed that Ronald Reagan believed a nuclear war against the Soviet Union was winnable. Butler admitted to being very confused by this idea, and said that it contributed to her idea for the Xenogenesis books. She said "there must be something basic, something really genetically wrong with us if we're falling for this stuff." Butler then commented on how she felt a real fear about nuclear war during the Cold War and that these ideas had a real influence on some of her early works.

Student Project - Proposed Bibliography
Hi everyone! I will be working on this page for a student project and wanted to post some sources I am planning to study and assess for potential reference in this article.


 * Bowden. (2016). Octavia’s brood: Riding the ox home. ProQuest Dissertations Publishing.
 * Dissertation describing a dance concert inspired by Butler/Lilith's Brood. May be useful for themes and symbology, as well as representative of the philosophies emerging from Octavia's work, particularly Lilith's Brood. (I am also open to realizing that this is not applicable once I have read it in full.)
 * Dunkley, Kitty (2018): Becoming-Posthuman: The Sexualized, Racialized and Naturalized Others of Octavia Butler’s Lilith’s Brood. Open Access Te Herenga Waka-Victoria University of Wellington. Thesis. https://doi.org/10.26686/wgtn.17072657.v1
 * Dissertation applying a post-human theoretical framework to Lilith's Brood
 * Imarisha, Brown, A. M., & Thomas, S. R. (2015). Octavia’s brood : science fiction stories from social justice movements. AK Press.
 * Book of sci-fi stories based on Lilith's Brood - may not be a source in itself, but I'd like to read the introduction. I think there's space to mention the philosophies emerging out of Lilith's Brood in this article, and this book is a good example.
 * Johns. (2010). Becoming Medusa: Octavia Butler’s “Lilith’s Brood” and Sociobiology. Science-Fiction Studies, 37(3), 382–400.
 * Explores the use of sociobiology in the Lilith's brood series
 * Nanda. (2013). POWER, POLITICS, AND DOMESTIC DESIRE IN OCTAVIA BUTLER’S “LILITH’S BROOD.” Callaloo, 36(3), 773–788. https://doi.org/10.1353/cal.2013.0164
 * Discusses Butler's engagement with colonial dynamics in depth, and touches on the Cold War background for these books

There is also a wealth of sources in the additional reading section that I plan to look into, but I wanted to do some initial research on my own as well.

I welcome any thoughts you might have on these!

Ajlehrer (talk) 16:45, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It looks like some of these are just papers by non-notable authors, not published in any notable academic journals. As such, ideas and suggestions in them may constitute undue emphasis on non-notable ideas, and could tempt you to commit original research and synthesis, which is not welcomed in Wikipedia articles. But I still miss Octavia (getting to talk to her was always a highlight of WisCon every year), and am glad that people are paying attention to her work. (And I still prefer the title Xenogenesis.) -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  20:23, 28 February 2022 (UTC)