Talk:Lillian Randolph

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Who in the hell voiced over Lillian Randolph's voice in all of the Tom and Jerry cartoons played by the cartoon network? Who gave the cartoon network permission to take Lillian's voice out?
 * June Foray did the voiceover; as to who gave them permission, I'd guess whoever owned the copyright at the time, probably Ted Turner. See http://www.tomandjerryonline.com/censoredtnj.cfm for a list of cuts over the years. Although apparently they sometimes screwed up and mistakenly used Foray's voice over Randolph's image, or vice versa...Shalom S. (talk) 05:19, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Timeline
Messy Thinking 22:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC) 1898-12-14 - 1980-09-12 would put her age of death at 81.

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Marriage to a "Frank Baskett"
Removed the below husband and citation from page. There is no evidence this "Lillie" (no last name) is the same person. Perhaps a marriage certificate or other source could confirm this?
 * Frank Baskett (1919–c. 1930). Source =

Birth year
There have been accounts and IPs trying to insert an 1898 birth year for Ms. Randolph. These accounts use no reference, and that date is at odds with multiple references in the article. Please do not reinsert that date until it can be shown that a more reliable source establishes that this Lillian Randolph was born on that date. --Nat Gertler (talk) 02:02, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for posting your comment. I wonder where dates of birth originated when they appear in articles without citations. I appreciate your support of the change that I made earlier today. Eddie Blick (talk) 02:23, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * And now one of the editors is trying to change where she died as well. The Methodist Hospital is in Arcadia, as the New York Times notes. (It had been in L.A., but moved in 1957.) --Nat Gertler (talk) 13:54, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, good point! Eddie Blick (talk) 15:00, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Lots of actresses changed their birth years late in life. If you're going to go by what's on grave stones, her father died six or seven years before she was born. George B. Parous (talk) 03:49, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
 * If you're going by what Find A Grave says is her father's gravestone, be aware that that site is not considered a reliable source, per WP:RSNP. --Nat Gertler (talk) 12:44, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Then why use her headstone as the source of her birth year? 1898 is much more likely - look at her later works, such as the third episode of "Sanford and Son" (1972) - she is clearly a woman in her 70's, not 50's - and she died 8 years later. George B. Parous (talk) 18:21, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
 * We're not using her headstone (if we were, we'd have a precise date and year); we're using a New York Times obituary. --Nat Gertler (talk) 21:01, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

According to her Social Security Death Record and other documents available on Ancestry.com, the 1898 birth year is correct, but if you prefer an agent repeating what was probably a year she felt more comfortable with, you're free to do so, but frequently people will try to point out inaccuracies and not provide citations because they link to "pay sites" such as Ancestry - a wealth of facts in black and white, but useless unless everyone clicking the citation has a subscription. But sometimes common sense factors in, as in, as I said, looking at her in her final roles and deciding if you're looking at someone younger than 65. George B. Parous (talk) 23:20, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
 * So far, absolutely no one cited Ancestry.com - or any other source - when trying to add the 1898 birth year. It would run into a problem that we prefer secondary sources over WP:PRIMARY ones, which is one of the reasons that Ancestry is not considered a reliable source. And I am a poor judge of age, as to me Abe Vigoda in Barney Miller looks to be in his seventies, but he started the role in his mid-fifties. Guessing people's age based on looks would be poor sourcing. --[[User:NatGertler|Nat Gertler (talk) 02:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Secondary sources over WP:PRIMARY ones and Abe Vigoda aside, she was born in 1898, not 1914/15, and in its efforts to contain misinformation, Wikipedia, by considering a source of actual documentation records "not reliable," sometimes is accomplishing the opposite. George B. Parous (talk) 20:21, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Born 1898 not 1914
According to her gravestone, actress Lillian Randolph was born on December 14, 1898. Source: Find a Grave. 107.77.223.58 (talk) 19:10, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

She was born in 1914 per her grave. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/4188/lillian-randolph — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.245.38.44 (talk) 10:57, 14 July 2022 (UTC)