Talk:Lillooet Cattle Trail

Map soon
I promise, though trying to find a nice basemap so I can mark different sections/locations well (instead of the heavy-topo/geog maps used on, say Garibaldi Ranges).Skookum1 04:52, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

skook, er mesachie one, yer gots der date wrong on this one. sfs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.81.76.183 (talk) 22:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You sure you're not thinking of the Lillooet Trail, aka the Douglas Road aka the Lakes Route? The cattle trail is a different thing for it and I do have a source for 1887 (Edwards), which is also when you'll find it in the provincial hansard debates.....Skookum1 (talk) 22:57, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Nopes I'z iz thinkin' about the Lillooet trail, Coach House to Clinton, bane of Carson of Pavilion, finished the same year as the Russo Turkish war. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.81.76.183 (talk) 01:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1878 was teh Russo-Turkish War and yeah Carson was involved; the project was begun/commissioned in 1877 I guess; I'll quote from Edwards; the contract as I heard about it didn't have Clinton in it - by "Coach House" do you maybe mean what's now called the Hat Creek Ranch at Carquile, where 99 meets 97? Or do you mean over Pavilion Mountain, with the Pavilion Store, or something in that area (Martley's place?) the "Coach House"?  Maybe there were two different trail conctracts/legislations, with Carson involved in both.....I'm moving right now will try and find quotes for you later.Skookum1 (talk) 01:38, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I think the trail ran from Lillooet to Pemberton, to Alta Lake, Squamish, Loch Lomand, Seymour, and lo, the Coach House on Lillooet Rd, NVan. The Coach house was the late lamented strip bar on Lillooet Rd. (Thank heavens we still have the Lynnwood Pub, now that the Avalon has perished.) There was a nifty plinth on Lillooet Rd for years till Hwys decided to buggerfy the area. Plaque now across Fwy in Bridgeman Park. You can walk from the sanitized site of the Coach House, the Best Western, past the grassy verge where the plinth stood, along the road under the glistening peak of Mt. Bell, the trash dump, under the Orange bridge, and under the green Keith Rd bridge into Bridgeman Pk. Watch for dog poop and snotty skate punks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.81.76.183 (talk) 03:53, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

"Hey! - what might you know about the Bering Sea Arbitration/Crisis and the old North Pacific sealing industry? Came to mind just now because there were diplomatic-strategic considerations relative to the Great Eastern Crisis (the Russo-Turkish War et al.) about how it came out or what Britain had to step cloesly over, with the emergence of the erstwhile Russo-American alliance (which had really begun decades before, long before the Purchase).  This ties into a lot of other articles I'v got stewing in my head or in a sandbox, more about that another time; just thought you might have some knowledge of the other stuff that was caught out here other than fish; likewise the old Northwest whaling industry; which further ties us to Russian shores huh?  We always hear about the links to Asia, but the reality of that is that BC had many interconnections with the Russian Far East, strategically especially; and lots of consequences in the way the Russians signed off their old turf to the Yanks, and the way the Yanks took the sale; the basis of that problem has the same roots as the 1870s sealing crisis (which, for a change, we won - with compensation - a rare exception to the usual rule), which is an Ukase from 1821 and subsequent Russo-British dealings which included the badly-worded treaty which saw BC lose most of what it thought was its already, until suddenly inundated with American military and settlers - about 2/3 of the Panhandle, in fact...anyway what do you know about the old North Pacific sealing fleet (well, Bering Sea actually); it's interesting because I just worked on a scene for Seawolf (film) from the Jack London book; the hiring hall for sealers is in San Francisco, even farther from the Bering Sea than Vancouver or Victoria - around the Gulf of Alaska into the Bering in January, no thanks, but it hit me how far it was, in terms of something of economic importance for these shores; a big part of the provincial economy for a while.....mind you, in some parts, so was big-game hunting....Skookum1 (talk) 04:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Sealing. It was big here from 1880-1900 till the Pelagic crop crashed then the treaty came in. It was an annual event from Victoria when all the vessels headed off to the St. Lawrence Isles in the strait to bash seals. It was one of Victoria's big boosters till they found tourism. Met an old guy born in Victoria at the time, and he said it was the biggest thing to hit town, till the tram hit the Gorge beach. There is a hull, the Sandheads #4, which is still around and slowly sinking, which is the last sealer from that era. Russia got all moody with England after Crimea, (the UK bombed Petrapovolosk on Sakahlin as a show of neighbourlyness) and at one point wanted to invade all of BC.  But the Czar was broke so he sold Alaska for 6 million so America was off and he had to content himself with the wastes of Siberia (see my Ob, Amur, and Volga articles?) but he did munch on Manchuria for a bit. The Pacific Sealing Commission was set up and the seal trade died. And now we have the same thing with the Salmon. The Seawolf captain war originally a canadian, apparently, a real sob. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.81.76.183 (talk) 16:52, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Captain Alex Maclean, and the ship Thomas Banyard —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.81.76.183 (talk) 17:09, 30 August 2008 (UTC)