Talk:Lily Allen/Archive 1

Elton John dustup
I just saw something on yahoo news, it seems she got wasted doing an award show, insulted Elton John her cohost, was visibly intoxicated, and revealed the secret engagement of her brother to one of the winners. If anyone knows more that probably should be on there... if she did all that in one night that's noteworthy. Most celebs take years to do that many gaffes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.217.72.152 (talk) 17:36, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Non-Album Tracks in Lily Allen's Discogrpaphy
I haven't been a member long enough to add it myself, but can someone add in the non album tracks section, Lil Allen's cover of Don't Get Me Wrong by The Pretenders. It appears on the Radio 1 Established 1967 compilation album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spider23000 (talk • contribs) 16:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Website/Myspace
how about a link to her offical myspace (http://www.myspace.com/lilymusic) cause i couldn't find it on myspace till i went on her website and got it. 59.167.217.201
 * Her myspace page is already linked to in the external links section. C777 14:28, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Background Information
May 02, 1985 (age 21) - but looks older--- POV?
 * "but looks older" was obviously inserted by a vandal. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.1.150.252 (talk) 19:23, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

When it says about her family it says Sarah is her sister. She's her half sister. Sarah has a different father to Lily. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.30.145.4 (talk) 12:20, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Caravan Club
Perhaps a reference could be given for the "caravan club" comment..? 86.133.97.4 14:05, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I've deleted it, as it was almost certainly inserted as a joke - it's highly unlikely that comments about Lily Allen's face would be appearing in a magazine about caravanning. 217.155.20.163 15:40, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Object
I too object to the impartiality of this article - but in the regard that it seems to be thinly veiled in it's ANTI Lily Allen stance. I agree with the lower post that her childhood was a MIX of social strata, and IF it is deemed relevant to this article (as it is in most biographies), then it should be reported honestly and in an unbiased fashion. Which it is not at present - instead sounding rather snarky. Including a sentence on Lily's detractors IN THE THIRD PERSON is not unaccepatble, but for an encyclopaedic article to speak with such current bias is ridiculous. Sort it out. 219.88.182.95 01:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC) I object strongly to this article which is hardly impartial and just advertises her music. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.5.10.8 (talk • contribs). Shes so hot though. and has an awesome voice. If shes blowing up, making it in the music scene. why cant wiki say shes doing well in a neutral way, such as its written now.. how is that bias? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.98.5.46 (talk • contribs). There is nothing wrong with this at all —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.130.185.254 (talk • contribs). Doesn't mention anything about any of her unneccassary slaggings of countless other musicians - a notable reasonable example would be kylie minogue/glastonbury festival, both of whom received a less than gracious putting down because one booked the other, and apparently the all knowing Miss Allen reckons it's sad that a festival like Glastonbury are putting on a singer like Kylie. In the first place, I reckon that god knows how many thousands of festival goers packing in the field to watch her would suggest that she's in a minority, but more importantly, it's pretty sick slagging off someone who's in the process of coming back from cancer! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.8.252.194 (talk • contribs).
 * The comment being referred to is in an interview in the 15 July 2006 issue of the NME if anyone's interested. I think the above characterization is taking it a bit out of context:
 * NME: "So, is 'Smile' going to be this year's festival anthem?" Lily: "No, it's not a festival anthem, it's a pop song! Festivals are about rock music. It's like, to me Kylie playing Glastonbury would be the ultimate insult to it. I don't think that's what festivals are about. It should be about new, interesting music, not mainstream pop."
 * However, it would be fair to say that Lily's commenting about other musicians and famous people is a notable part of her time in the public eye so far (it seems to come up a lot in interviews) so it would probably be fair for the article to mention it along with an example or two, as long as the sources are cited. -- JJC1138 02:20, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Fine - the kylie comments are now explained in full. Doesn't change the fact that Kylie IS recovering from cancer, and that Allen WAS pretty unpleasant in her comments - a word of advice for miss allen - be nice to and about people on your way up, as you will meet them on your way back down. I no Kylie is recoverin from brest cancr bt Lily's music is still better than Kylie's Kylie don't hav attitude and is well old A very big thankyou to the idiot chav-scum who wrote that last very well articulated comment! My god I thought I was in an episode of little britain "Yer but, no but Kylie got cancer and I can't believe you just said that you slag she got no attitude like Lily Allan and is well old, shutup!!!" Anyway she is pretty good. --LeakeyJee 10:15, 22 July 2006 (UTC) Yeah but i bet Lily cud b3t Kylie in a fite cos she got more attitude is yungr and Kylie is recoverin from kemo there both not v big tho. U dont no how to spel "Allen" ithr but i hope Kylie is ok. Lilyfan87 22:45, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Funny you should mention spelling...You don't know how to spell: could, fight, because, younger, recovering, they're, though, you, don't, know, spell, either oh and also: I is upper case. 212.74.13.202 11:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I was very disappointed to read in the paper this weekend that she is actually a posh bird wiv a fake Norf Lundun accent ... she went to Bedales for God's sake ! Street cred totally blown, though I do still like Smile (won't be adding to her trust fund by actually buying it though...) QUOTE (from above): "Yeah but i bet Lily cud b3t Kylie in a fit.....blah blah blah..." If this was a joke, hilarious! If not, ouch! (And learn to spell!) --LeakeyJee 10:54, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Upbringing
I removed an edit which said
 * "Contrary to her "street" image, Allen actually enjoyed a privileged upbringing, attending private schools and hob-nobbing from an early age with some of London's better known comedians and celebrities."

As you can see in a number of articles, including this BBC article, her upbringing was a unusual mixed bag of council flats and film premieres so I don't think simply calling it "privileged" tells the whole story. --JJC1138 14:08, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I think its someone tryin to discredit her cos their jealous cos she got talent and they ain't. Lilyfan87 15:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah that's it, jealousy. That's always the answer. It can't be the fact that Lilly, like most in the entertainment industry, is a fake and a phoney and as made up as any hollywood fiction. Regarding her upbringing, that BBC article only says that her upbringing was a "mixture of privilege and provocation" not priviliedge and poverty or economic hardship. She was, after all, the daughter of wealthy parents. This article suggests that while times may have been tough when her father left, she wasn't part of lower class society struggling to make ends meet. It seems that whatever hardships or economic struggles she may have undergone they have been more caused by her behavior rather than her class status. She was, after all, kicked out of private schools, she was a drug addict and dealer, and she was a runaway.

It shouldn't matter whether we like this person or not or whether we believe her to be talented, the point is to be objective, so, I ask this; is there any proof that she was indeed expelled? The footnote says nothing about here being expelled, the only reference I've read is the one above, but i don't know how credible it is. Liamdavies 16:55, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[User:liamdavies]

LDN
How can she be known for a song that's not released yet? -- Mikeblas 19:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think she's known predominantly for the fact that:
 * She's Keith Allen's :#She's already had a UK number one single Smile
 * and LDN is getting A-list airplay in the UK and has been for some time. Budgiekiller 19:49, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

LDN was acctually her first single, but it was released as limited edition. Smile was the first "official" single. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.159.86.122 (talk • contribs). LDN was originally suppose to be Lily on a bike going around London, which she thought was better than some light travelling behind her making things from lovely to horrible. Personally, I prefer the second video than the first. --81.159.205.187 14:03, 1 January 2007 (UTC) Well, I'm no huge Lily Allen fan, but I know "LDN". So it's a fair assumption that most people know her for it as well (that and "Smile", of course). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.146.181.154 (talk) 19:05, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

The lead
The lead section should be a summary of the article, thus it need not contain references since they should be in the main body of the article. As things currently stand the first few words, including the bolded term, of this article are interrupted by note markers. This is not good. So, lets get these details moved out into the main section if they're not already there. Useful guidelines: Thanks/wangi 23:18, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * WP:MOSBIO
 * WP:LEAD

Clean up
I felt compelled to remove the three bullets about her 'views' towards other celebrities. I am completely fed up with hearing this runt trying to stir controversy to sell records... please can we keep this nonsense away from Wikipedia, it does nothing for the article or the person. 81.86.107.17 20:09, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Contradiction
First the article says "Smile" was her official debut single, then it says "LDN" was her debut single. So unless "official" in this context means "deliberately misrepresented as", there's a contradiction here. --88.109.230.44 21:31, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorted. --Q4 16:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

more precise reference in myspace
Good article! Is it possible for the reference to Lily's comments about Bob Geldof to be more precise ? I can't find it in the myspace profile PeterGrecian 15:52, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I for one would prefer for that sort of nonsense to be kept out of Wikipedia. She is a singer and therefore we don't need yet more of her quotations. 88.111.107.62 21:14, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not the most important thing in the article, but I think it is noteablePeterGrecian 09:12, 26 September 2006 (UTC).
 * You're partly right. But I have to correct you - it isn't important at ALL. We don't need yet more of her unoriginal and 'controversial' comments clogging up this article even more. Personally, I cannot stand the brat or her songs. But regardless, even if I was a Lily Allen zealot I could see through her "ihatecelebritiestosellrecords" facade. 88.110.19.136 20:59, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Genre
Does anyone else think the genre is Soca rather than Alternative/Pop/Ska? PeterGrecian 09:16, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope. 71.171.255.19 04:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Style
Should something be mentioned about Allen's tendency to pair smart dresses with trainers? Normally I wouldn't, but she's sort of made it a trademark. Opinions? http://www.fashionstyleandclothes.co.uk/celeb-fashion-articles.asp?art=9 (scroll down a bit)

GA failing
The article in general is very good written but there is too information missing for being yet a Good Article. Mainly how has she been critizised or her music and how did she got, for example, her first record deal. We also don't need too much information about her brothers but information about her early life. Follow the template to remove and merge the trivia into the article to avoid loss of information. Remember Wikipedia is not paper and it can contains far more information than a paper one but also Wikipedia is not a collection of irrelevant facts. I'm not saying the article itself contains irrelevant facts but is a good way to avoid possible future ones. This is an article on its way to become a Good one. Take a look to some Good Articles, for example, Arctic Monkeys to give you an idea of how this must be. But it's on its way so don't worry...--Fluence 00:22, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think some of that trivia is pointless. Who cares if she covered a Squeeze song, for example, I'm sure lots of artists have done that. --Awiseman 21:40, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there's a fair bit of unsourced material here.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 11:53, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Controversies
Is this really a notable controversy? " She then upset Chris's sidekick 'Comedy Dave' by saying his voice didn't match his face, prompting him later to give her a low 4/10 interview score. She was seen leaving the Radio 1 building in tears" --AW 15:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say any swipe at Radio 1 by a celebrity is notable. The Kinslayer 11:01, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Selling ecstasy should be added to controversies "... and running away to Ibiza to sell ecstasy." as seen here http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/2006-10-05/music_feature3.php. i don't know how to source properly otherwise I would do it. 1dsm3 04:10, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Added and sourced/cited/referenced Malbolge 22:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

POV
"Evidently she wasn't happy with being voted the third coolest person of the year, ahead of the likes of Gerard Way (eigth) and Jarvis Cocker (fourth).[2]" - Erm, POV? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.142.205.14 (talk • contribs). Jarvis Cocker? The 4th coolest person? Blimey...I've gone through a timewarp. Its 1995 again..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.75.166 (talk) 23:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Released in US?
Does anyone know when the CD will be out in the US? If so, that should be added --AW 18:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC) - according to amazon: This title will be released on January 30, 2007
 * Thanks --AW 15:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Tattoos
She has 3 tattoos on her right hand wrist: a Star of David (the symbol of Judaism), a pyramid, and a crescent moon (the symbol of Islam). (Unclear of the symbolism of the pyramid.) DarAlHarb 07:07, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Alfie Music
Hi, I just wanted to ask everyone a question. The music that's played in the song "Alfie," what genre would you mostly consider that type of song? It has sort of a 1950's cartoon vibe but I'm trying to figure out what the genre would actually be called. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Misteeqfan3 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

Merge from Maggie May (dog)
Please merge any relevant content from [ Maggie May (dog)] per Articles for deletion/Maggie May (dog). Thanks. —Quarl (talk) 2007-02-09 09:21Z 

Bagpipe
She plays the bagpipe? I'm presuming this is vandalism? Stu  ’Bout ye!  15:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I facted it; and will remove in after a while if nobody provides a WP:RS. If you know it's false, I'd go ahead and remove it.  —   pd_THOR  undefined | 15:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I don't know for sure. But I'll be amazed if she does. And very impressed for that matter. Stu   ’Bout ye!  16:28, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it was probably slang btw Hakluyt bean 00:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Worst Dressed Celebrity
Lily Allen was recently the winner of the 'Worst Dressed Celebrity' award at the 2007 Shockwaves NME awards. I'll add something to the (Brit) awards section at some point... but will drop the 'Brit' from it, so its just awards and accolades, rather than being 'Brit awards' only. I'm unsure if 'Brit' makes it refer specifically to the Brit Awards only, or not, but it is ambiguous. I don't figure there should be a section specifically for her Brit award (nominations) but a section on awards and accolades makes sense. Malbolge 15:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC) she's definitely not the worst dressed celebrity. she has style.

The Sims 2 Seasons
Lily had her sim made in a music video recorded in Simlish for 'Smile'.Nukleoptra 19:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * We know. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 23:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Lily Allen Podcast Interview
In this interview she gives info not in the article. She says success was unexpected all she expected was to be a "kooky pop project in London". Cites her influences as Debroah Harry,Patty Smith,Elle Fitzgerald and many others, says her plans are to put out three more albums get married and have children and talks about how women and men are treated differently in the music industry. Unfortunatly this is a youtube video which is a Wikipedia no no. If anybody can find a non you tube version of this or other interviews when she talks about these topics it would hwlp the article. Edkollin 06:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Wanna Be
YO YO YO HOMIES Just shouting out that lilly is on the new dizzie rasscal album on a song called wanna be it is "so you wanna be a boxer?" from bugsy malone. I can;t be arsed to edit the page but maybe some geek will bye byeJimmy93211 22:58, 2 June 2007 (UTC) YO YO YO It would have been less effort to edit the page than leave this comment, judging by your contributions you're the geekiest homie here. Don't be ashamed, it's okay.BennyFromCrossroads 15:56, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Productions
"On 29th June 2007, Lily Allen posted a song ...." -huh? it isn't June 29th anywhere in the world yet! 71.7.174.221 18:24, 27 June 2007 (UTC)HFX
 * I've removed it. Aside from the fact that it's not 29 June yet, it doesn't look like the song has even been released if she's only put it on MySpace.  ShadowHalo 18:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Removed content
I've removed a fair bit of rubbish from this talk page &mdash; please remember that this page a) must adhere to Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons and b) is for discussing the article, not the subject (i.e. asking a question about whether or not she smokes, 'just out of curiosity', is not acceptable). Angus Lepper(T, C, D) 18:31, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hopefully that question won't come up again anyway. It's now in the article that she was expelled for smoking (and properly attributed to a source).  Thanks for removing the irrelevant discussions.  ShadowHalo 18:34, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Third Nipple
She has a third nipple, genuinely, on the UK show Friday Night Project on 29/06/07 she showed it. Worth mentioning? 172.159.138.9 22:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC) Lily Allen's third nipple is probably not worth mentioning here as it's trivia but it's mentioned on the supernumerary nipple article, where I have added a citation. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 22:21, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that it's not worth mentioning here. It has nothing to do with her career since it's highly unlikely that she's writing songs about it, and it's not a controversy.  ShadowHalo 22:26, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If it's not a controversy then why did you feel the need to inform 195.137.91.221 on their talk page not to post unreferenced controversial information despite the person posting a reference and, as you said yourself, it is not controversial? 82.35.184.139 11:51, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The text itself comes from uw-biog2. In this case, controversial is referring to Biographies of living persons.  For example, if someone were to say that she was dating [insert name], it wouldn't be a controversy at all, but it could be contentious if untrue (and would need to be removed were there no source).  We need to include high-quality references when addressing potentially libelous information about a living person, and I'm pretty sure a previous broadcast that cannot be retrieved and verified would not considered high quality.  ShadowHalo 16:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The thrid nipple is another proof that she suffers from Warkany-Syndrome 2, also known as Trisomy 8 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.188.83.98 (talk) 12:18, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

it's on youtube now. so i think it should stay. Cm619 20:52, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

You guys got three days to remove 99% of the controversy section.
People since when was it bad to express yourself? Seriously you're telling me that if I was a celeb, and if a person asked me if I liked paris hilton or not. and I responded with "I think her music is garbage" it would be a controversy? Jesus Chrsit this is pathetic, look dude its' not controversial express yourself, as long as it does not go agains the general community's opinion, right? And music is nothing but subjective. Pie76 04:20, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The section doesn't say it's bad to express onesself. It's (supposed to be) detailing how her career has been...followed with a creepy level of interest...by paparazzi and tabloids.  Unfortunately, that's a significant part of how she's gotten her fame.  17Drew 04:31, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * As there are nine cites to support what has been added to that section, removal of those without further rationalisation would be either editing to make a point or vandalism.--Alf melmac 08:27, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Anybody saying "you got three days or else" or something similar for any Wikipedia article for whatever reason good or not should be immediately removed as a user Edkollin 02:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes. It's a threat. ~Crowstar~ crow calls 19:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC) Can I say what I think about her vocal abilities???? She cant sing! Its just karaoke standard!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.94.60.111 (talk) 07:18, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Britain's Costliest Public Schools vs Working Class
i'm happy for minor edits to the bit i've put in about her claims of being from a working-class background are wholly at odds with the fact she was once educated at a school that Prince Charles also attended, but please stop removing it completely. It is inarguably notable that a contemporary popular singer, noted for her working-class cockney accent in-fact attended some of the costliest schools in the country. Petepetepetepete 09:12, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * i agree. it seems like somebody keeps removing anything that portrays lily allen in a not so positive light.  is it her publicist perhaps?  or just crazy fans. i remember her famous quote about how "poor kids parents just didn't work as hard as her parents" used to be in the article, but i guess that got removed too.  it would be cool if someone would put it back.  129.170.124.203 (talk) 21:38, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

ban
She is not ban for the U.S.A. check imdb Check www.lilyallenmusic.com, the U.S revoked her Visa and she cannot come to the States currently. Read her newest blog about it. 67.184.223.232 —The preceding  signed but undated.

Cover Songs?
As you may know, Lily has done a few cover songs, one of them being Everybody's Changing. Does anyone have any idea of when they'll be available in the U.S? Unintended Disaster —The preceding  signed but undated.
 * Wikipedia is not a forum. If you want this question answered, I suggest going to a fan site or related forum. Unless you were asking this question to put the information in the aritlce. :) Then you have my sincerest apologies. :P -- Isis 4563  21:54, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Myspace success
Lily Allen herself has said that she in fact did not have a myspace until well after the release of her album. She has denied most of the media stories surrounding her success through myspace.

I don't have any sources at the momment, but I thought I'd mention it here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.210.29.236 (talk) 05:47, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Her MySpace had been around for eight months when the album was released. Maybe you're thinking of the fact that she started her MySpace after she signed to Regal.  17Drew 06:38, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

interviews
Moving the interview links here, per WP:EL. MahangaTalk 01:04, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Interview with musicOMH.com
 * Interview with SquirrelFood
 * Interview with Slam X Hype
 * Interview in NPR's All Songs Considered
 * Lily Allen on 'The Hour'
 * See Lilly Allen on AOL Sessions Exclusive behind the scenes footage and interview
 * Lily Allen on Sound Opinions
 * Lily Allen on Loveline
 * Lily Allen on Loveline

External Wiki
Added link to external wiki, Lily Allen Wiki, per WP:EL. This has been active since May 11, 2007 and has 119 registered members at this time. Therefore, it satisfies the exception for linking to an external wiki. Keptani 13:36, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * 119 users isn't really a substantial number of users, nor is five months a substantial history. That said, at least it's not a fan site. Chris Cunningham 16:28, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

External Wiki
You should write under Personal life, that she has a hard time quitting smoking, even though she is now pregnant.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.164.16.116 (talk) 18:41, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I saw the Daily Mirror reference but was not comfortable enough with reliability to put it in the article. Edkollin (talk) 07:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Lived in leixlip ireland
she lived in leixlip ireland in a council house for a good while and attended st.marys which is a kip so maybe they lost there money around then —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.197.141 (talk) 20:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Miscarriage
In January of 2008, Lily Allen suffered a miscarriage. Proof is here: and here:. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.177.98 (talk) 01:46, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The Sun and Perez Hilton aren't the best sources, but they'll do to verify this fact - although when I added that tabloids reported that Jade Goody had a miscarriage, I got my edits reverted without explanation, and to this day her miscarriage is not mentioned in the article.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 14:51, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added a BBC ref in place of the perez hilton one. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It could be added that, on "The Big Fat Quiz of the Year 2007"(which is filmed in late December) she mentioned the possibility of being pregnant, but discounted it as a possibility because she had been engaging in anal sex. http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=T_MZtW0n4o0&feature=related she mentions it about 3:20 in.

Gordon Browns?
Please change to Gordon Brown DragonLord56 (talk) 15:24, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * See WP:BOLD. You can do it yourself.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 13:20, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually I can't, this page is semi-protected and I haven't been a member long enough. Done now anyway.DragonLord56 (talk) 18:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Next single & Album
There has been rumored cover single called"Mr.Blue Sky" It has also been rumored to be on the next album If you look on Youtube you will here the song with the possible cover. The next album has been rumored to be called"Just Lilly" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.118.238 (talk) 11:07, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You need a reliable cite for this. You can not use YouTube as a Wikipedia cite because of copyright issues. Quick research says that this was or was supposed to be used in a commercial for the French Mobile Phone Company SFR. See Mr. Blue Sky Edkollin (talk) 01:45, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Can i add this link please
Can i add this link now http://lilyallenvideoslyrics.blogspot.com/


 * I'm afraid not, it doesn't meet our guidelines on external links. Gwernol 22:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

record label interest
surely that reference to George Lamb saving lily from several assailants is a ridiculously retarded misunderstanding of the quoted source: she said that Lamb "managed the audio bullies" at the time they met. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.6.158.15 (talk) 14:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There are two references to that sentence The first one a b c d e Sawyer, Miranda. "Pictures of lily". The Observer. May 21, 2006. Retrieved from Guardian Unlimited June 23, 2007 that backs up that sentence. "She met her first manager when he rescued her from some dodgy blokes in Ibiza: 'They pushed me up against a wall and tried to get all frisky with me.' Eventually he stole her mobile phone, called her mum and put her on a plane home" Edkollin (talk) 06:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Trivia and jargon
This article has plenty of irrelevant trivia and unidentifiable jargon. For example, are the following trivia items really notable events in anyone's life:
 * On 28 December 2007 Allen opened the annual Harrods winter sale arriving in a green horse-drawn carriage
 * Allen wrote a song for the 2008 Shockwaves Awards entitled From Barry To Billericay about comedien James Corden
 * In April 2008 Allen changed her hair colour to blonde. London Hairdresser of the Year Karine Jackson remarked that 'When you're in the spotlight like Lily it's very brave to go from dark to light.' 
 * Trivia: I will take out the Harrods it is trivia at this point. A song that she wrote and will be performed is her music therefore a part of her career. My first reaction on upon seeing the hair colour change article was the same as yours and I was not going to put it in the article. But we do have a public persona section and an expert source thought it important in that regard. I felt not putting it in would be making an editorial decision based on my very fashion illiterate POV. Edkollin (talk) 08:28, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

And what do the following mean: Astronaut (talk) 08:57, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * OMM (Observer Music Monthly, I think - but only because the Observer is mentioned a couple of lines above)
 * F!D luxe (maybe it's a magazine - because whatever it is, it has an editor)

Lily Topless, jumping cliffs
Their was a recent post on egotastic with some pictures of lily allen topless, I think this should be put forward into the recent activity area. Here is the link to the source http://www.egotastic.com/entertainment/celebrities/lily-allen/lily-allen-topless-cliff-jumper-003573 Dirtyharry1994 (talk) 10:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No way ever. How in the world would egotastic be considered a reliable source?. If she went topless on her TV show it or put this on her my space page it should be article although most Wikipedia editors might disagree with even that. But her private activities that were violated by the paparazzi is never encyclopedic. Edkollin (talk) 06:25, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops scratch that. There is a reliable source where she comments that she was not offended by it . And the photos are in Maria Clair. She has been very public aboout her body image and female body image in general so the comments MIGHT be article worthy in the Public Persona section. Still no way the pictures should go in. We are not Penthouse or The Sun Edkollin (talk) 06:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

... I told you this should be included. Of course the explicit pictures should not be included, but the fact that she isn't bothered by the pictures is quite intriguing. Dirtyharry1994 (talk) 10:34, 19 May 2008 (UTC) ..
 * Yeah but at that time you had just egotastic (whatever the hell that is) pictures. Pictures are easily doctored. Now we have reliable sources not only The Telegraph but now the The Times thinking this is important. Still most Wikipedia editors probably would not put this in. Usually I am the editor most other editors think is way to inclusive but in this article I am the opposite. I am putting it in public persona Edkollin (talk) 06:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * She has gone into more detail about this in other tabloid matters in her blog. I put it in and moved it to the personal life section Edkollin (talk) 00:20, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Discography
The Lily Allen discography makes her wiki look really cluttered. Can anyone move it onto a separate page? So the page doesn't look that messy. If no one is bothered I will do it then. 202.156.139.241 (talk) 08:45, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Airport Detention revertions
1. I did not use her blog as a cite in this case but as a reason to shorten the paragraph. When this was written last August it read she was detained and questioned at the airport and that it was reported (Times of London Article) that her visa was revoked but her manager had disputed the visa revoking. In her blog she said she had went through immigration this time with little trouble. Which means it is likely that the manager was correct and that the visa was never revoked. But even if the manager was wrong I felt that now that she had gotten through immigration the visa “dispute” does not have enough weight at this point in time to merit article inclusion. I felt her being detained at that time still merits article inclusion so I erased all visa related stuff but left the airport detention with the Times article as a cite in. 2. Why would her blog not be treated the same as a quote by her in a newspaper? that makes no sense at all its her words either way. Not to use her blogs would cripple this article because she is noted as an innovator in using her blog rather then traditional media Edkollin (talk) 08:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Since I wrote the above there have been several stories done on her rentry to America and they do claim that her visa was revoked. There is an story from a tabloid by an unnamed source that she was under major drug investigation by U.S. immigration that included regular drug and urine testing.I did add to the August 2007 detention that she was let in with little trouble now (plus other more musical activities). If you must I will not delete edits saying that it has been "reported" that her visa was revoked. But I would wait. She is in the U.S. so she will probably interviewed and asked about these matters so that would clear all of this up. Edkollin (talk) 09:28, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
The article needs to be restricted to users only due to vandalism and repeated changes and reversions by non users to uncited material.
 * We need this more then ever. Material will be lost as editors repeatably try to revert the constant vandalism Edkollin (talk) 07:23, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Street dustup Article Worthy?
She had a rough night it appears.. MTV is slightly above a tabloid source and there are some pictures but unless there is any legal ramifications or Allen comments on this I do not think it is article worthy Edkollin (talk) 01:05, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Not really notable unless major legal action ensues. Calebrw (talk) 17:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Echoing Caleb. It's a totally one off thing as of this moment. We could mention a million things about Allen--she's in the news every day for just checking her mail box practically. rootology  ( T ) 01:44, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Knife Aid
Recently there has been an edit war over this section that I started and wrote. The truth is I had been thinking of deleting it myself since there has been no new information for a month we are now in the month the supposed concert is to take place. That said I would wait until the end of this month and if there there continues to be no new information I would favor deleting this section Edkollin (talk) 16:58, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I took out the speculation about the concert bring held in September since it is the 17th and there has been no announcement Edkollin (talk) 04:36, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Since this has not happened and we are coming up on winter I am taking this out of the summary deleting the subsection and leaving just a line or two. If does happen we can always put it back. Edkollin (talk) 08:15, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Public persona clean up
This page needs quite a bit of work to uphold WP:BLP. In particular, the "Public Persona" category needs to be cleaned up. It's a section that appears to exists for the sole reason of posting any small remarks Lily Allen has made about anyone else. Although these can sometimes be relavent to a subject's notability, the section needs to include reliable, third party sources. Anything deemed a controversy needs to be sourced -- links from Lily Allen's blog are not adequate in this case. I'm going to start by removing any obvious violations -- in particular, statements which use Lily Allen's blog as a source -- and go from there. Mcoogan75 (talk) 03:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * A lot of the criticisms of others could be shortened into a summary paragraph. It is now mostly a thing of the past anyway. Blog remarks by Allen should not be an automatic disqualification. Allen's notoriety comes from in part her communicating through her MySpace page. If Allen in her blog makes a blanket statement that 9/11 was an inside job that should not go into the article (unless she actively lobby's for the 9/11 truth movement). Allen's blog is the most reliable source for her opinions and for future plans. How is using even the most reliable third party source that uses her quotes from her blog more reliable then her actual blog?. Allen blog should be used to cite her opinions in important musical industry matters like how Radiohead marketed their last album. Blogs can also be used if they are from an entertainment journalist from a reliable publication. You do not say where you are from but a couple of deletions you made at first glance seem to indicate lack of understanding of UK media. I temporally put one of your deletions back that used NME as a cite before I noticed this was a talk page issue. Although I did not put it back you deleted an external link from The Guardian which is possibly the second most respected publication in the UK after The Times of London.


 * Like I said the idea you have is a good one but although you do not have to it is a good practice to leave a reason when deleting things. I came to some conclusions about why you deleted things that may have been way off base because you did not explain them. Another option is to propose a revised paragraph here Edkollin (talk) 06:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I get where you're coming from. I'll make sure to talk all the edits. Generally though, this page needs a TON of cutting. It's longer than Bruce Springsteen's and very little of it is encyclopedic information. The notability of the source does not necessarily assure notability of the fact and in the case of turning down a maternity line, we'd be in a lot of trouble if every article included the things that the subject didn't do. This article might be your baby so I'm sorry if this is a sensitive issue but I figure it's a lot easier to just do the work than brand the article with ugly tags until it's all up to par. This page has too much trivia and unfortunately, Wikipedia is not the place to document every happening of Allen's career. The sources point people in that direction already. Mcoogan75 (talk) 16:37, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's also not fair to Allen as a controversial figure because the style allows people to present minority views as majority ones. On any other artist's page, these things wouldn't get a mention and here they get paragraphs.Mcoogan75 (talk) 16:43, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The section "Recent Activity" needs to go. I would move some of it to existing sections. Some of it could go to a section centered around fashion. Some to a touring section if we can't find a place an "Other Pursuits" section could be set up. Fairness to Allen herself should not be an issue. This is 2008 and the notion of privacy seems to have went away. The "Marcia Brady" actress was Amy Winehouse like in her drug use and eating disorders but nobody reported it was considered an off work private matter. Now it goes directly to YouTube. That makes it tough to edit "celebrity" articles but we do have to keep in mind that that everything has changed. That does not mean we have to like it. Edkollin (talk) 19:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I did some work in this regard Edkollin (talk) 06:55, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That section is gone. Other things have been moved and sections renamed. Hope you like it Edkollin (talk) 07:16, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

-I didn't think devoting two to three sentences about her comments about Kylie Minogue et al were warranted, so I shortened it to a brief mention for each one. This is especially true because I could really only find one source or so on the subject, therefore negating anything higher than a "minor controversy." -Completely got rid of the stupid comment where she mentioned that she'd celebrate her debut single with cocaine. Out of context, and just completely ridiculous. -Didn't mention anything about Bush, because everyone criticizes him, therefore no notability. -Got rid of the Radiohead thing. Didn't seem like that big of a deal. Maybe could go on Radiohead's page, but shouldn't be on Lily Allen's. -Got rid of the Perez Hilton controversy. No outside press, no third-party sources, and it wasn't even mentioned on Perez Hilton's page. -Got rid of just about everything else, mainly because the things weren't notable and are only mentioned on her page because there's so much shitty menutia on there already. Mcoogan75 (talk) 02:54, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Her comments about Radiohead should be put back in because she is commenting on an important issue affecting her profession. As for Perez Hilton the links I have do go to his blogs on the subject. What I feel is important and the reason I put it in was that Allen agreed with him that her public image was that of a trainwreck. There was some third party sourcing at that time but if his and her webpages agreed there was this catfight that is reliable enough to say there was a catfight. Edkollin (talk) 08:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

In trouble for covering "Womanizer"
Lily covered Britney Spears' Womanizer (song) and now Lily's label isn't too happy about it. http://www.nme.com/news/lily-allen/41702. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 23:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * This is in the article in the Other Music section Edkollin (talk) 07:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 15:15, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Godfather
It is innaccurate to say Joe Strummer was her Godfather - he was not  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whisky2 (talk • contribs) 21:19, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Rolling Stone Biography Edkollin (talk) 07:12, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The Telegraph says "Godfather" was a nickname not literally true. So will change article

Lily-related article up for deletion
Just incase anybody is interested - [Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lily Allen's 10 Best of British]. Dalejenkins | 22:57, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Music tour with Natalie Portman's Shaved Head
As many probably know, in Lily Allen's upcoming tour in April, she will be bringing along a band from Seattle "Natalie Portman's Shaved Head" the current wikipedia article shows a link to "Natalie Portman" which doesn't relate to the topic at all. This needs to be fixed to show a link to "Natalie Portman's Shaved Head" not just "Natalie Portman". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.64.225 (talk) 02:23, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Cheers, LindsayHi 06:21, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Record label
I'm pretty sure she is signed with Parlophone, not Regal.

Am I right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.0.95.132 (talk) 21:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

What does this mean?
In the childhood section:
 * While not literally true, Strummer was close to and mentored Allen.

Umm, what? Cheers, Ben (talk) 11:57, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The late Clash guitarist Joe Strummer is also referred to as a godparent. While not literally true, Strummer was close to and mentored Allen.


 * Joe Strummer was not Allen's legal Godfather. Allen however called him that because Strummer was close to and mentored Allen. Mentoring refers to a more experienced person guiding or helping a less experienced person on a somewhat continual basis about professional matter mixed in with some element of personal mattes. The cite details how Strummer “mentored” Allen with her music.


 * I understand why Allen would call Strummer her “Godfather”. When I was a kid my parents were very close friends with another couple. The families visited each other weekly. I referred to them as “Uncle” and “Aunt” and their children as "cousins" even though they were not literally members of my family. I have heard of other people doing this. I have no idea how widespread this custom is. I can see why people who have not done this would find the concept incomprehensible. Edkollin (talk) 07:06, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, that is a really bad place for a full stop then. As it is, the sentence is saying that Allen and Strummer were not close. Perhaps we should say:
 * The late Clash guitarist Joe Strummer was close to and mentored Allen (for how long or during what period?), and although Strummer is not officially a godparent of Allen, she (anyone else?) also refers to him as a godparent.
 * Or something similar? Cheers, Ben (talk) 12:27, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Here is what the cite said.
 * Behind her, leaning against a wall by the kitchen sink, is a black-and-white photograph of Joe Strummer. Strummer is often referred to as her godfather – this wasn’t literally true but she has fond memories of him, particularly of the week and a half they would spend together each year at Glastonbury as part of a regular collective centred on Strummer and her father. She says that his musical past only really came into focus for her after he died. 'He was just great. I remember once when I was 14 or 15 I said I wanted to go up and meet some friends of mine in the travellers field and he said, “I’ll walk up there with you”, and we stayed up there for two days, just me and him. He was the person that would bring the sound system with all the good music and he’d put all the flags up, and get the hay bales in. He had a thing about him where he could be really out of his mind but still really cool… I don’t actually like going to Glastonbury now that he’s gone, because he’s actually the one thing that held all of that stuff together and made it nice. Rather than just a bunch of drug addicts.’ Edkollin (talk) 05:55, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Her comments on her Wikipedia article
In a NYTimes interview, she commented on some inaccuracies in her Wikipedia biography. I think these have now been addressed. -- B figura (talk) 17:08, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I expect Jimbo must have a big smile on his face. I know when I was reading the NY Times article, I thought, hooboy, another Wikipedia BLP is gonna be shown to be completely full of crap.  She seems to have thought the article was mostly accurate except at the end.  --C S (talk) 11:06, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Interestingly enough Allen's official webpage has a link to this article Edkollin (talk) 04:48, 11 March 2009 (UTC)