Talk:Lima bean

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Name origin
Any connection with Lima, Peru? — Lenoxus 01:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism/Pointless Links
Somebody had added that the Lima bean is of Indonesian origin along with its Mesoamerican origin, but it's not. Also I deleted the external link that went to the song, which does not contribute any information about the plant or food, and I deleted the link to the Spanish website, as this is the English section of Wikipedia.

==Butter Beans vs. Lima Beans The FDA has determined that "butter peas", commonly grown in the south, are Lima beans (http://www.ams.usda.gov/fv/ppbweb/manuals/frozenlimabeans.pdf). There seem to be a few varieties of Lima beans (http://ag.udel.edu/enwc/faculty/dmcaron/Pollination/limabeans.html). Here in the South, butter beans have subtly but distinctly different taste, color and texture than Lima (and baby Lima) beans. See this article for a more verbose explanation (http://sarasota.extension.ufl.edu/FCS/FlaFoodFare/Butter_Beans.htm)

Sunonomo 15:04, 12 July 2007 (UTC)SunonomoSunonomo 15:04, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

lima beans are green —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.215.147.230 (talk) 22:15, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Cyanide content
Doesn't this bean contain cyanide compounds? Badagnani 21:34, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually as we know in Peru the color of the lima beans which we call PALLAR, is white as the snow and it was already used by some pre inkan cultures such as the Moches who used to paint on them a sort of language. rudychalco@gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.42.111.60 (talk) 12:24, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Blanking of lunatus species synonym
The removal of the lunatus species synonym in this edit is not a good idea. Badagnani (talk) 01:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Somebody seems to be up to no good. I found the listing on the taxobox showing "Limensis" (capitalized!) as the species, and P. lunatus/limensis as the binomial. I restored it to lunatus, and added limensis as a synonym. There is absolutely no reason why an article titled "Phaseolus lunatus" should have anything else in the taxobox. If there is a good reason to prefer the name P. limensis, then that should be it's own article (with this merged into it?). However, TROPICOS shows no sources citing P. limensis as an accepted. IPNI has it as "?=P. lunatus". Absent a source treating P. limensis as a good species, it should not have an article, and it absolutely should not replace P. lunatus as the name in this article (priority principle goes with P. lunatus).192.104.39.2 (talk) 18:04, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Haba bean
As far as I know the Haba bean is Vicia faba, which only looks like a green Lima bean (when mature and dry, Lima beans are white this is the most common way in which they are eaten and sold in Peru where the bean has been grown and eaten fro centuries) (Asinthior (talk) 22:17, 19 November 2010 (UTC))

I agree - the haba bean is actually the Fava bean in English, made famous in Silence of the Lambs. In English, they are also known as broad beans. Lima beans are known as pallares, or Pallar beans. http://www.wordreference.com/definicion/haba Kelly @ Mylifeinperu.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.222.252.29 (talk) 15:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Cultivation
It strikes me that when describing food plants in general, that some information on its cultivation would be of value. For example, Where can it be grown? what is its growing season? what is its tolerance to drought? does it grow well in soil lacking nitrogen?
 * Article currently mentions only one location, Oaxaca, Mexico, under Cultivation. Seems strange to only list one location. Lima bean are grown across the globe. n2xjk (talk) 23:24, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Misleading Lima Beans Picture
In my personal experience mature Lima beans are much bigger and creamy white in color. I am not even sure those are Lima beans, they look more like Edamame beans to me. Asinthior (talk) 15:56, 29 April 2011 (UTC) I went ahead and changed the picture to one from a scientific institution, just to be on the safe side. Asinthior (talk) 16:18, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Rare or not rare?
Something needs to be done with this paragraph:

Many people of European ancestry are allergic to Lima Beans due to a genetic mutation that occurred around the time the bean was introduced to that area of the world. In some European countries, 9 out of 10 people are allergic to the bean. This type of allergy is rare and serious reactions are very rare. The body's immune system produces immunoglobulin E (IgE - an antibody) and histamine in response to contact with the allergen.

Even if regional, "Many people" and "9 out of 10 people" does not equate to "This type of allergy is rare..." n2xjk (talk) 16:37, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

After a quick literature search, the "9 out of 10 people allergic" looks to be FUD. I'd imagine if the entire country of, say, Latvia was allergic to lima beans SOMEONE would have written an article about it. Additionally, the sentence "The body's immune system produces immunoglobulin E (IgE - an antibody) and histamine in response to contact with the allergen." just describes a general allergic reaction. If lima bean allergies are very rare, I don't really see how they're noteworthy enough to include in a section on the origin and uses of the bean. I'm deleting the whole discussion. Lbarquist (talk) 08:49, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Possibly they were thinking of fava beans....raw.... Speciate (talk) 10:10, 2 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Looks good. In this case, less is better. n2xjk (talk) 19:50, 2 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I've certainly never heard of anybody being allergic to butter/lima beans in the UK, and if there was a problem the media would certainly cover it, as these beans are widely eaten. --Ef80 (talk) 17:16, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Nutritional Value
The nutritional value section is in a sad state regarding citations, and looks like it has been for years now. A whole lot of claims, not a single supporting citation. I'm not necessarily doubting the validity of the entire section, but it might need to be pruned until someone can provide some references. --Genya Avocado (talk) 04:41, 15 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I think the lack of citations is moot. The nutritional section should not be used to convince the reader on the healthfulness of it, it should simply report on the content. It is enough to say it is good source of fiber and magnesium, the reader can read about the nutritional merits of fiber and magnesium under those entries, those details (accurate or cited or not) shouldn't be here. If some study specifically linked lima bean consumption to some health effect, that would be appropriate. --Ericjs (talk) 03:22, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Pronunciation.
I have always heard the name pronounced as if the first syllable rhymed with lime. Obviously, this is not how Lima, Peru is pronounced, so perhaps we should mention the difference, and how it came about, if any data is available on this. Cheers! bd2412 T 16:19, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Spelling (English varieties)
A couple instances of "fibre" were just changed to "fiber". The article seems to be otherwise pretty consistently written in UK English. The first substantial edits to the article occurred on 5 February 2005 (see this version), and appear to use US English ("meter" not "metre"), although there were several spelling errors in that version. Per WP:ENGVAR, WP:RETAIN, I think perhaps this article should be tagged for US English, although it has been stable with UK English for some time now. Plantdrew (talk) 17:19, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Butter bean=lima bean?
According to http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-butter-beans.htm most horticulturists argue that butter beans are not the same as lima beans. Mcljlm (talk) 23:20, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 27 October 2017

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 01:26, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Phaseolus lunatus → Lima bean – Per WP:COMMONNAME, this article should be titled "Lima bean". Compare Google books search results for "Phaseolus lunatus" at 43,400 and for "Lima bean" at 129,000. Michipedian (talk) 16:36, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Support move per nom.  ONR  (talk) 22:25, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Support. We're only use binomials for botany articles for species without a dominant common name (that is actually common, not just a recorded vernacular that no one uses, nor one of numerous conflicting regional common names without one being common throughout English).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ &gt;ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ&lt;  04:37, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: Those who support this move may also want to chime in on my request to move Vigna mungo to Black gram. &mdash;Michipedian (talk) 04:46, 28 October 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

More info to be added
Some more topics to include on the Lima Bean include more information on nutrition (and some anti-nutrition compounds are also found in the bean), pathogens and disease commonly affecting the plant, information on selective fertilization. The predators/hosts of this plant can also be added including how it interacts with it (how extra floral nectaries are affected). More info on cultivation can also be added (as mentioned in talk page)- where its grown, growing seasons/what month it germinates, etc. Information on pollination might also be added.

Possible Bibliography: Going to add more information on this topic. Any suggestions on this?

1.Cultivation: growing season, where its grown

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Heil, M. 2004. Induction of two indirect defenses benefits Lima bean (Phaseolus lunatus, Fabaceae) in nature. Journal of Ecology, 92: 527–536.

2. Pathogens/Disease: Phytophthora phaseoli

Kunjeti, S. G., N. M. Donofrio, A. G. Marsh, B. C. Meyers, & T. A. Evans. 2010. Phytophthora phaseoli; destroyer of lima bean production. Phytopathology, 100(6): 1.

3 Pathogen/Disease: Didymella Gorny, A. M., J. R. Kikkert, R. G, Shivas, & S. J. Pethybridge. 2016. First report of Didymella americana on baby lima bean ( Phaseolus lunatus ). Canadian Journal Of Plant Pathology, 38(3): 389-394.

4. Predators/Hosts (herbivores):

Choh, Y., R. Ozawa, & J. Takabayashi. 2013. Do plants use airborne cues to recognize herbivores on their neighbours? Experimental & Applied Acarology, 59(3): 263-73.

5. Predator/Host

Choh, Y., & J. Takabayashi. 2007. Predator avoidance in phytophagous mites: Response to present danger depends on alternative host quality. Oecologia, 151(2): 262-7.

6. Nutrition/Cooking/Anti-Nutrition

Aletor, V. A., & O. I. Ojo. 1989. Changes in differently processed soya bean (glycine max.) and lima bean (phaseolus lunatus) with particular reference to their chemical composition and their mineral and some inherent anti-nutritional constituents. Die Nahrung, 33(10): 1009-1016.

7.Nutrition/Cooking

Jayalaxmi, B., D. Vijayalakshmi, R. Usha, M. L. Revanna, R. Chandru, & P. H. Ramanjini Gowda. 2016. Effect of different processing methods on proximate, mineral and antinutrient content of lima bean (Phaseolus lunatus) seeds. Legume Research: An International Journal, 39(4): 543-549.

8. Nutrition/Cooking/Vitamin B6

Ekanayake Kanayake, A, & P. E. Nelson. 1990. Effect of Thermal Processing on Lima Bean Vitamin B-6 Availability. Journal Of Food Science, 55(1): 154-157.

9. Selective fertilization Bemis, W P (July 1959). "Selective Fertilization in Lima Beans". Genetics (Austin). 44: 555 – via EBSCOhost EJS.

10. Defenses (Extra floral nectaries/volatiles)/Toxins

11. Defenses:

Ballhorn, D. J., S. Kautz, M. Heil, & A. D. Hegeman. 2009. Cyanogenesis of Wild Lima Bean (Phaseolus lunatus L.) Is an Efficient Direct Defence in Nature. Plos ONE, 4(5): 1-7.

12. Evolution and Domestication

Serrano-Serrano, M. L., R. H. Andueza-Noh, J. Martinez-Castillo, D. G. Debouck, & M. I. S. Chacín. 2012. Evolution and Domestication of Lima Bean in Mexico: Evidence from Ribosomal DNA. Crop Science, 52(4): 1698-1712.

List of Cited References:

Heil, Martin (2004-06-01). "Induction of two indirect defences benefits Lima bean (Phaseolus lunatus, Fabaceae) in nature". Journal of Ecology. 92 (3): 527–536. doi:10.1111/j.0022-0477.2004.00890.x. ISSN 1365-2745. "First report of Didymella americana on baby lima bean ( Phaseolus lunatus ): EBSCOhost". eds.b.ebscohost.com. Retrieved 2018-02-28. "Effect of different processing methods on proximate, mineral and antinutrie...: EBSCOhost". eds.b.ebscohost.com. Retrieved 2018-02-28. "Effect of Thermal Processing on Lima Bean Vitamin B-6 Availability: EBSCOhost". eds.b.ebscohost.com. Retrieved 2018-02-28. Bemis, W P (July 1959). "Selective Fertilization in Lima Beans". Genetics (Austin). 44: 555 – via EBSCOhost EJS. "Increased availability of extrafloral nectar reduces herbivory in Lima bean plants (Phaseolus lunatus, Fabaceae)". Basic and Applied Ecology. 6 (3): 237–248. 2005-06-01. doi:10.1016/j.baae.2004.11.002. ISSN 1439-1791. "Cyanogenesis of Wild Lima Bean (Phaseolus lunatus L.) Is an Efficient Direc...: EBSCOhost". eds.b.ebscohost.com. Retrieved 2018-02-28. "Evolution and Domestication of Lima Bean in Mexico: Evidence from Ribosomal...: EBSCOhost". eds.b.ebscohost.com. Retrieved 2018-02-28.

TanishaNair (talk) 20:11, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Snow bean
I recently bought a bag of 'snow beans' in a local UK Chinese supermarket. These look and taste remarkably like butter/lima beans. Can anyone with a Chinese background confirm that 'snow bean' is just a literal translation of the Chinese name? Ef80 (talk) 19:49, 17 November 2023 (UTC)