Talk:Limbo of the Lost

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Fair Use
Having said that, if the controversy is correct then the developers are going to be having trouble showing fair use too. Bamboo marimba (talk) 14:26, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I usually don't add to non-sequetor type comments, but well played. LeilaniLad (talk) 15:16, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It would be epically ironic if they sued Wikipedia for the use of those images. Manic-pedant (talk) 20:10, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha, I don't think they will get to see a computer ever again —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.132.205 (talk) 19:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

MEME
seeing as this is what this game is swiftly becoming shall we mention the meme qualities of it? there is one website even holding a competition to make the best background. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.185.60 (talk) 12:27, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I think we should. Its all part of the reaction to the event, and at least some mention of it is deserved. I don't know how much detail to go into though. Perhaps a brief mention is best, and we should wait and see what happens. 92.21.149.32 (talk) 15:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Hoax / Viral marketing
There is plenty of murmuring that this may all be a hoax / viral marketing. As of this writing, no person partaking in forum discussions on this saga has received a copy of the game. The publisher issuing statements and webstores de-listing the game could be seen as evidence against the idea that this is all a hoax. Regardless, the search for further sources appears to have become something of a passtime for many. ZeBoxx (talk) 15:17, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, there is now a claim by someone in the neogaf.com forum thread that a copy has been delivered in the post. Fcw (talk) 19:18, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Gamespot seems to be down right now (!?!) - but this is the quote they published from the dev team at Majestic:


 * "In response to the shocking notification that some alleged unauthorized copyrighted materials submitted by sources external to the development team have been found within the PC game Limbo of the Lost, we (the development team) have given our consent and full cooperation to both publishers who are recalling all units from all territories immediately.


 * Please be assured that we do not condone in anyway the use of unauthorized copyrighted materials and if we had been made aware earlier, we would of course have ceased development of the product and rectified the issue prior to the publication process.


 * To the best of our knowledge no one at Majestic, [European publisher] G2Games or [North American publisher Tri Synergy, Inc.] knew about this infringement and knowingly played any part in it.


 * We can only apologise to all regarding this issue, as a team we are shocked and mortified regarding these events and we continue to work with said publishers in order to rectify the issue."


 * So who are they saying did it? "sources external to the development team" ?   I guess they are saying that they outsourced the painting of the 240 background shots...it's possible, they are a very small team.


 * Incidentally - you can download all 240 background shots from the game here: http://files.filefront.com/Limbo+of+the+Lost+Backgrosrar/;10729116;/fileinfo.html


 * SteveBaker (talk) 14:01, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Is it worth mentioning the following from JA interview with Bovis?


 * "Tim Croucher (UK) - Researcher and assistant vocalist, game designer/playtester.
 * I met Tim right at the beginning of the project, we were both adventure game fans and decided to make an adventure game of our own – Limbo of the Lost was born. 


 * ''Laurence Francis (UK) – Puzzles, Lead vocalist and assistant game designer/Musician.
 * Laurence joined the team when we were starting the Amiga version and has been a strong member ever since. Laurence is the voice of the main character – Benjamin Spooner Briggs as well as other characters in LIMBO.


 * Marko "Gravehill" Hautamäki (Germany) – Level-Atmosphere Musician.
 * I got to know Marko from a forum I was on and he was looking to work on a game project. I heard some of his work and was suitably impressed. To date he has done more than 13 musical pieces for the game. Marko is the newest team member.


 * Lisa Highsted (UK) – Contracts and Support
 * Lisa sorts out contract negotiations / publishers, she joined the team on the PC version of the game. She also play-tests and reviews content on a regular basis.


 * Heather Banks (UK) – Playtester & Support
 * Heather helps out on playtesting the game, general development feedback and development support. She too joined the team on the PC version


 * Myself - Steve Bovis (UK) -  Creative/Project Director
 * That then leaves me, my job is to put the game together and create all the visuals, coding, sounds, models, marketing and basically make the game flow and work. As well as manage and try to motivate the team. A job that is hard enough at the best of times!


 * As you can see we are a small team and with that comes pluses and minuses, the plus is that development costs are low and we have 100% creative decision. The negative is the time it takes to create game content with such a small team."


 * There doesn't seem to be any mention of outsourcing. --Paramnesia (talk) 17:59, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Indeed - it seems rather unlikely. Bovis has repeatedly claimed that he did most of the actual work ("my job is to [...] create all the visuals, coding, sounds, models").  It's also unlikely that the same outsourcer would have been doing background art AND audio AND character animation - and we know that all three of those things were plagiarised so at least some degree.  (Note that there have been claims that the character animation came from the demo package of the tools software Magestic have been using).  So it's rather hard to believe Bovis' story.  However, I don't think it's appropriate to start making claims of this sort in the article itself while there are lawsuits about to be flung around.  Wikipedia's restrictions on writing articles about living persons is pretty strict. SteveBaker (talk) 20:34, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

wat
"Other scenes appear to be taken from live action films"... Since when are movies shot LIVE? --84.250.188.136 (talk) 18:10, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * See: Live Action for an explanation of why it's called "Live Action films". That said, it's likely that a large portion of the actual shots -were- in fact mostly computer-generated (unless there's a tunnel to hell somewhere that I missed).  All the same, as long as the majority of the movie is "Live Action" then a given shot or segment from that movie is still a shot or segment from a live action movie. ZeBoxx (talk) 19:18, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Also see Misnomer. If this isn't in the "Older name retained" section (another example, we still use "steamrollers" although they haven't been steam-powered for decades), it should be added. -- 92.40.119.100 (talk) 21:52, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

List of games needs more sources
The list of games that Limbo apparently stole from needs more sourcing than it currently has. Especially when you consider that this is an ongoing issue. I can see some problems arising if we allow people to randomly include a game without further support for what was stolen. Don't know what sources are available beyond the major gaming news outlets...but I think unless there are sources the list needs to be removed (and replaced with a simple description of the overall issue with links to appropriate sources). -- TRTX T / C 12:34, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

New Enclave Plagarism
I was the one who added Enclave as a game it took from, but submitted no proof. That's because my antivirus wont let me start the game (thinks the copy protection is a virus) so I cant get screenshots.

If anyone is interested, here are the Limbo shots in question:

http://ft.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/b1/b141ade5bb20e85d76fd89bca67a4f5365268684.png#via=salr

Pause this video at 4:33: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt6vXZ8WUjg&feature=related

That's example #1

Another one: http://waffleimages.nwpshost.com/files/c2/c2125dc0ad8166e4e816bb7d4062485cc968df64.png#via=salr

This part of Limbo is taken exactly from the level "The Great Wall" in Enclave, it's the room above the gate to the town. If anyone has the game they can get a shot of that room for a comparison —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuffums (talk • contribs) 20:12, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry but unless a reliable source discovers that, that's original research and we cannot accept it. ViperSnake151 20:12, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Book plagiarism ?
Sorry to put only this fact (and for my language, not my natural language, I' m french) but for what I've understood of the plot of this game, the story tells about 2 anthropomorphic divinities "fighting" some sort of cosmic game in which mortal are peons : the "Fate" and the "Destiny". Quite disturbing I first thought, fate and destiny being quite synonymous to me. But then it made me remember of the Terry Pratchett's "Discworld" universe and specially of the first book "the colour of magic" in which 2 anthropomorphic divinities fight in a game in which mortal are peons : "the Lady" ("goddess" of the statistically improbable and almost impossible") and "the Fate" ("god" of the inevitability). I' ve not played the game yet, but for what I' ve understood, the game plot is quite similar to the book story (also in the scene background and finality, 2 entities in a room standing over a boardgame representing a smaller version of the world whith all the details, arguing about fatality and free will and watching event in which they interfere from far away) so I would like to ask you what you think ? Could the developpers have plagiarized some books too ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.113.152.50 (talk) 06:15, 4 January 2012 (UTC)


 * What you've described (mortal life being a game played by the gods) is a fairly common image in storytelling. Pratchett's version is by far the best-known one, but it's hardly the only one. --Carnildo (talk) 09:22, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Was this plagiarism "controversial"?
User:124.191.139.167 believes that the plagiarism in LotL was "controversial" - and therefore re-cats the article from Category:Plagiarism to Category:Plagiarism controversies (which I have more than once reverted). I don't see why this was a "controversy" - nobody doubted that it was plagiarism. Wiktionary says that the word "controversy" means "a debate or discussion of opposing opinions". So for a plagiarism incident to be "controversial", there would have to be a bunch of people saying that it's not plagiarism and a bunch saying that it is. Since absolutely everyone agreed that the plagiarism was self-evident, and not one person denied it - there is no evidence of such controversy - it does not belong in that category. Since plagiarism (once exposed) is typically hard to deny - it's only very rarely controversial. SteveBaker (talk) 19:54, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Most blatant plagiarism in a game ever. Not a controversy at all. Jarkeld (talk) 20:43, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

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Possible code plagiarism?
In the development section an interview with Bovis cited which claims he learned how code. However if you look at his over 400 posts on the Winter Mute forum you can clearly see that he didn't even understand the basics. He repeatedly asks how write basic code, practically relying on the goodwill of the community to get the game coded. Is this worth mentioning somehow?

http://forum.dead-code.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=baedd9b7e0dc9304e57b028a07b74322&action=profile;area=showposts;u=157 61.12.248.187 (talk) 03:51, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

North American release date source?
The article states that the North American version came out on June 2nd, but I can't find the source of this information. Is there a credible source? 185.218.158.34 (talk) 10:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)