Talk:Limp Bizkit/Archive 1

Limp Bizkit is a very shitty band than can't play guitar. I think the page about limp bizkit should be deleted and the band members should try other careers rather than embarrassing themselves and the country they are from. It's because of bands like limp bizkit people think than heavy metal sucks. Limp Bizkit is piece of shit compared to bands like Megadeath, Children of Bodom, Dream Theater, to name a few. There are millions of shredders across the globe who play billions of times better than Limp Bizkit yet they can't get the fame they deserve while these fucking nu metal losers like Limp Bizkit feeding your ears this garbage whitenoise they call music and make millions on selling their retarded crapcore records. And all you guys who maintain this site about limp bizkit have no tste in music and you must be ashamed of yourselves. I feel sorry for you. -NuMetalIsForLosers

This is a very negitive article about Limp Bizkit. Not all of Limp Bizkit's history is bad. Do you hate them Yayza? Jeez! You should edit this page and put some good things in.

I meant to say I re-worked the entire Early years section, not the entire history. - Yayza

Reading this page was hilarious for some reason. I gotta admit that it may be written with a slight negative view point (or perhaps its the blunt truth and the facts speak for themselves)

i believe limp bizkit has gone back to their original styling, haven't they?

Can't we have more in this article than about 90% of it being about a single incident in Sydney? And has there been a decision since January? -- Zoe

I just removed the line indicating that the song Hot Dog earned a record for the most number of times the word "fuck" was used in a song. This is not true, "Y'all Want a Single" by KoЯn has that word used about 85 times. -- Guest

I've added that one of Limp Bizkit's genres is Heavy Metal, please DON'T change it as they ARE considered a heavy metal band. I thought it would've been obvious to anyone whose heard their music that they are heavy, and have some elements of metal. Thanks.

Isn't it just a bit silly to consider Limp Bizkit Heavy Metal, when they are usually considered Nu-Metal and Rapcore which would distance them from Heavy Metal? --Wildnox

It doesnt seem silly to me. It might not be their primary style but surely it doesnt mean that its not one of their musical categories, and because they are rapcore or nu metal bears no evidence of them distancing themselves from heavy metal. I won't edit any further because too many people turn a blind eye to the fact that they can be considered heavy metal fair and square.

The thing is even though they are nu-metal, and therefore have some roots and influence from heavy metal, they lack many of the main characteristics expected in Heavy Metal. This mainly is directed towards their style of vocals and rhythm patterns. Just because style A is derived from style B does not neccesarily mean all bands in Style B are also Style A. Example: Rock. Rock has it roots in many styles, such as Jazz and Blues to name a few, but all rock bands are not also jazz or blues bands, though there are bands that happen to be both. On a side note... Don't read too much into the word "Heavy" it's definitions are broad and vague, just being heavy and some form of metal does not make one Heavy Metal. --Wildnox

This section needs serious work:


 * On March 7, 2003 Limp Bizkit would perform their first new material in two years live at WWE's Wrestlemania 1. Not only that, Limp Bizkit had signed up for some live tours, despite lacking a guitarist. On March 26, Durst wrote in a post on the official website: "We are playing wrestlemania this weekend. on the guitars will be head from KoЯn and mike smith from SNOT. we've been working with mike for a while. he's dope." Two days later, Durst confirmed via the band&#8217;s official website that Mike Smith would be the official guitarist.

1) It wasn't Wrestlemania 1. 2) March 26 is after March 7; does it mean WM was on March 27? --Golbez 09:45, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)

Name
Hey, well, the Insane Clown Posse song "fuck the world" says fuck 93 times

I see no evidence that the correct name of the band is lower case. Amazon, MTV, et al. spell the band's name as Limp Bizkit. I suspect someone read the band's official website, noted major passages which avoided mixed case, and simply assumed this meant the band's name is all lowercase.

With the exception of e.e. cummings, very few proper nouns in English are in lowercase. Xmas Ghost 15:48, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

-HDS the band changed there spelling on the album covers as limpbizkit only when wes left.. it was used to show a change in the band.. the official name stays however as Limp Bizkit

Copyediting Needed
The typographical errors throughout this article are in serious need of fixing. I've gotten some of them corrected but there are most likely more.

Regardless of the band's status, the article should not have been littered with that many mistakes. 65.145.212.38 18:23, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Name
Does anyone know what Limp Bizkit's name means? I have an idea of what it is. AllStarZ 03:56, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Bizkit probably referring to fred's privates. LIMP bizkit. Get the drift ? - Raki-holic 10:41, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Its based on a friends description of Fred being high. He said he was like a limp biscut.

Edits
Well, the message on the page said this site needed major edits, so I've revised the whole thing. Hope you like it! Musikxpert 04:23, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

"Jessica was announced clinically dead when she was pulled out of the pit by security guards, but regained consciousness after having air pumped into her lungs as well as an epinephrine shot to her heart from paramedics backstage. She was immediately rushed to Sydney's Concorde Hospital where she died a few hours later."

however many of the articles released after the fans death state that she died on wednesday, wich was 5 days later not several hours later.

Genres
Please discuss things here in the talk page first before any further actions are taken regarding genres. Things are starting to get a little ridiculous. We don't need an edit war. --Yayza 23:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't see why some of you fail to grasp this simple concept. Stop changing the genres. Discuss the issue here first. I'll bring the issue up with an admin if I have to. --Yayza 14:48, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Limp Bizkit is a rapcore group. This is not nu metal. Nu metal is ...Korn, Deftones etc. Hans Schwarc 19:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Limp Bizkit is nu metal / rapcore. Have you even listened to any of their albums? Not all of their songs sound like 'Nookie' or 'Rollin'. If you don't have knowledge on a subject you really shouldn't be editing it on Wikipedia. --Yayza 20:53, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Limp Bizkit (all songs, all albums) = rapcore (many songs) + nu metal (straggle). PS. Rapcore this is rap + "hardcore" (punk, rock or metal) however Nu metal is punk, rock or metal + elements hip hop (or fairly). Limp Bizkit is rapcore, but have nu metal songs. There is dissent rapcore: Limp Bizkit  etc between nu metal: Deftones, Slipknot, Korn, Static-X. LUCPOL 21:23, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I think you're not really looking at the broad scheme of things. It wasn't until Significant Other that the band really had a large hip-hop influence, which continued on Chocolate Starfish, although it was pulled back a bit. On Results May Vary and The Unquestionable Truth, there isn't really very much rapcore present at all. On their first album, Three Dollar Bill, the band also had a very different sound. So, while you may be correct to a point, the band has really diversified themselves over the years, and their later releases definitely fit more into nu metal than rapcore, especially using your definition. --Yayza 22:08, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Congrats, this edit war is now in the list of Lamest edit wars. --Wildnox 04:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * One thing that could help to resolve this issue is if reliable sources could be provided to verify the claim that Limp Bizkit is either a rapcore or nu metal band. Someplaces to start looking for such references are the band's home page, profile pages from sources such as MTV or VH1, or from music press sources such as Rolling Stone.   Appropriate citations will also help prevent this revert war from restarting after a resolution is determined. --Allen3 talk 15:34, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The edit war wasn't over as much the band's genre but the order in which the genres are listed.. Though the bands genre may be the core of the problem. From the computer I am at I don't have the resources to find RSs for the genre. If the band is both genres the listing should be alphabetical in my opinion. --Wildnox 16:16, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually this page looks like it is just part of a bigger edit war involving Rapcore (protected since August 4) and threatening to spread to Fred Durst. With a little luck, a source search will provide a clear definition to use for the genre and help avoid escalating this dispute to the next step in the dispute resolution process.  Even getting involved parties to start talking instead of simply reverting will be a step in the right direction. --Allen3 talk 17:17, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * And that edit war hasnt gone anywhere either sadly. I haven't looked around much but I did find two links from a single source, it's not much, but it is something. --Wildnox 19:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Another nu-metal citation . Also I think the order should just be alphabetical in this situation, not based on the POV of either editor. --Wildnox 15:16, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * And even another nu-metal citation. I haven't found a rapcore one yet. --Wildnox 23:00, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Article protected
As a review of the edit history shows that a revert war has been brewing over the genre of this band, the article has been protected to allow interested parties to come back to the talk page to discuss the issue. When a consensus is reached on the order of the two descriptive terms, the protection can be removed either by placing a request for unprotection at Requests for page protection or by dropping me a note. --Allen3 talk 01:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Could anyone make a seprate page about tours such as "Ladies Night In Cambodia." "1999 MTV New Year" or "2001 Germany tour" "Gorilla tour" on a rooftop for MTV. Or at least mention it in the article. I know "Ladies Night In Cambodia" is already in the article.TG 50 00:09, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * With some recent results at Requests for checkuser now available, there appear to be other options to handling the edit war that do not require full protection of the article. As a result, I have removed the protection from the article and will be monitoring activity in case a few blocks become needed (I suspect more than one admins will be monitoring this article for a while). --Allen3 talk 02:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion for compromise
I would like to suggest a compromise for this article. I recently removed the genre entirely from Fred Durst, and that seems to have cooled off the situation in that article. Ultimately we're debating labels here and trying to classify a band without a full consensus among our editors. This little fight has gotten in the way of useful information additions and we shouldn't let it. So, because of this, I say that as a stopgap solution we remove the genre entirely and leave any discussion of genre in talk until we reach a consensus among editors. Please discuss. - Stick Fig 16:38, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I personally don't even care what the genre is, or if one is even stated. I just thought it was absurd that some users (won't mention any names) seemed to be fixated on changing them to what was right in their opinion, even though their opinion was obviously the minority. Honestly, if it will make everybody happy, get rid of the genres. --Yayza 09:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't removing the genres completely be a bit far? Removing the genres makes no sense as far as coming to a compromise, as the article is already protected, just work out the compromise before unprotection. Personally, I think we should just default to alphabetical for the listing in the infobox, and remove the mention of both rapcore and nu-metal from the intro, especially since having two genres there reads awkwardly. --Wildnox 21:01, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


 * That's the thing, though -- all the arguing and debate about this comparatively meaningless little bit of text is getting in the way of people adding actual useful information here, and as long as it's blocked, they can't add the information. My personal feeling is that LUPCOL would likely find a problem with even doing this in alphabetical order at this point (and may actually claim that the alphabetical argument is a way to further POV), so we may as well just kill the reason for the argument entirely for now and work on making Limp Bizkit the best article possible. That seems like a valid compromise to me. Like I said, Fred Durst has been quiet over the last few days, especially since I removed the genre, so there is precedent for this working. - Stick Fig 22:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Removing any mention of genre completely from an article about a band seems a bit overboard. I would assume that the burden of proof for any order would be on the one who wants to change it. Just because one editor does not agree with something and is willing to edit war and use sockpuppets to achieve his goal does not mean we should bend to accomodate his aggressive tactics. Has either user edited Fred Durst since then or attempted to come to a real compromise? The answer is no. The problem is that this is a far reaching POV edit war between two users, so far neither has backed up their edits with anything other than Original Research. Neither of them seem to care nearly as much about improving the article as much as having their POV shine through. If my suggested end to this happens to coincide with Egr's POV so be it, if it fits in with LUCPOL's POV, so be it. I just don't like the idea of complete removing anything just because two users couldn't agree on the order of TWO WORDS. LUCPOL's claim seems to be that Limp Bizkit is more Rapcore than Nu-metal and egr claims the reverse. Unless either of the users has a way to back up their claims other than original research I see no reason to change anything. --Wildnox 00:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I am for removal kind so as this it is in article Fred Durst. LUCPOL 23:44, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Maybe as a more serious compromise, we try to find a way to present the genres on equal footing? Just a thought, I'm not sure how do-able this is. --Wildnox 18:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

started the nu metal genre?
Without getting into metal history geekery talking about Helmet, etc, this article clearly says that Korn were around before Limp Bizkit, making it pretty clear that while Limp Bizkit played a big role in widening the popularity of nu metal, they're far from having started it.

Any thoughts? Wanted to see if someone knows something about the history of this before I edit it.

The article says Limp Bizkit is "often credited" with starting it, which is true, regardless of whether they actually did start it or not. --Yayza 14:28, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, this is true, but "often credited" and "often innacurately credited" are both true, and the second statement is a more complete one.

I mean really, if they didn't start the genre, then reporting that they are often credited with starting it in this article simply propagates the misconception. No matter how popular a misconception is, I doubt Wikipedia is meant to spread it around.


 * Also, has anyone heard the term Sports Metal, or perhaps Sportz Metal? because when they first came out I remember some interview with them or a news report or something saying they were being called this, absolutely ages ago and I can't find any reference to it. Maybe I dreamt it? Triangl 16:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)