Talk:Lincoln, Nebraska/Archive 2

Politics
Is there any way to neutrally discuss the political and social leanings of a city's or county's population? As in red-state-blue-state, or what percentage of residents support intelligent-design vs evolution, or in terms of church membership... as a guide to folks who would preliminarily be glancing through Wikipedia trying to decide on a place to retire to, or to set up a business in? Not taking sides, here, and someone "searching" could go either way with that... Xenophonix (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 16:13, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Fortunately or unfortunately, mentioning any political leanings can be a contentious topic... not to mention that any topic within can be seen in many different ways by different individuals. Best to stay out of those murky waters.  Hanyou23 (talk) 04:31, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

History Section
The history section is in dire need of expanding. Volunteers needed! Hanyou23 (talk) 04:34, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Removed "Omaha interests attempted to derail the move by having Lancaster renamed after the recently assassinated President Abraham Lincoln. Many of the people south of the river had been sympathetic to the Confederate cause in the recently concluded Civil War, and it was assumed that the legislature would not pass the measure if the future capital were named after Abraham Lincoln. The choice to name the capital city "Lincoln" caused quite a stir among the constituents, whose sentiments were mixed regarding who should have won the Civil War." The text is unsupported by a verifiable source, the previous source is a dead link.  Feel free to include this back into the article should a source be found.  Gmcbjames (talk) 02:35, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Improvement of the Article
There are a few areas which may be addressed to improve this article.
 * In the section Demographics', remove sub-section 2000 census and text as it is unnecessary since the 2010 census data has been included. ✅
 * In the section Arts and culture sub-section Annual cultural events, either remove or move text to a new list article. Lists are better in list articles.  In the criticism for GA review it was noted there are too many lists in this article. ✅
 * In the section Tourism, either integrate the text into the text of the article or move the information to a list article. In the case of the Nebraska State Capital, there is already an article on Wikipedia, and information has/can be integrated into the History section.  Again, the less lists the better. ✅
 * Continue to expand the History section. The bare bones are there from edits I have made and it can be fleshed out.  So far it has been expanded to around 1930 and should be expanded to present day.✅  Articles History of Lincoln, Nebraska and Timeline of Lincoln, Nebraska history created.
 * Include in the article history and information regarding the tribes in Lincoln, including their relationship with settlers of Lincoln and their current relationship with the city.✅
 * Move images to more appropriate sections of the article.✅
 * Don't worry about wiki-links as duplicate wiki-links can be easily removed by AWB.✅
 * Parks and recreation section needs to be rewritten.✅
 * There are other minor suggestions in the GA review for improvement and these can be easily addressed.

These are just some suggestions to consider and discuss - and if there are no objections, I propose to move forward with these suggestions to improve this article to GA standing. Since you have interest in this article being a GA article, I look forward to your comments Hanyou23 Cheers Gmcbjames (talk) 02:07, 1 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you Gmcbjames for all your help and recommendations! All of the above sounds great and I think they should be moved on as far forward as possible... especially the annual events (this section has been a problem for quite a while).  It seems like recently, there has been some less interest from other users to help flesh out the article... but as far as some of your recommendations go, they can be edited over pretty quickly and then as for the rest, we'll see where we can get from there.  Then hopefully onto the GA!  Thanks so much again!!! Hanyou23 (talk) 02:36, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hanyou23 and other editors - don't worry about every detail in the major edit of the article - nothing is lost and everything can be fixed - that is what bots and AWB are for. Having separate list articles will make the article less cumbersome. If you feel something moved or deleted should be placed back into the article, please discuss on this talk page.  Feel free to make suggestions for improvement. Please read Talk: Lincoln, Nebraska and help make this article GA. Cheers Gmcbjames (talk) 03:56, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Gmcbjames - What would you say is the best way to selectively place photos throughout an article??? This is always something I've had trouble with - I had always thought "The more photos, the better" (as long as they relate) but I know this is not it (I still haven't figured out the magic recipe).  Hanyou23 (talk) 04:42, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hanyou23 for guidelines see WP:PIC. To include more images than the text supports,  image galleries may be used - see WP:Gallery, however many editors deplore image galleries.  On a subject such as a city, I think an image gallery is appropriate as to not clutter the article with images. On a GA and FA review I have noticed a split opinion, however if the images support the article added an image gallery is appropriate. I will add more history and probably split the History section into sub-sections so maybe some of the images can be appropriately placed there. Gmcbjames (talk) 18:31, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Gmcbjames, sounds great and thanks so much for both the link and the above! I'm going to keep on shifting around some stuff before going after images - it may look a little clunky at first but at the same time would be counterproductive to constantly do both.  My ultimate next focus will be to get the annual cultural events section to a new list article and refine previous text under the attractions section to sound more neutral at the end... it was getting to late last night to finish the attractions section completely.  Hanyou23 (talk) 21:40, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Gmcbjames, the list-article that I had spun off of the main article (Annual Cultural Events in Lincoln, Nebraska) has been "patrolled" by editor DGG and suggests that the list be merged back onto the main article, which is the opposite of what we're trying to do. So... what to do (my first time with this issue so sorry if I'm going about this the wrong way - the talk for it was redirected here)???  Hanyou23 (talk) 10:57, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Major improvements have been made over the last year - as noted by above - all editors are encouraged to continue to improve the article. Gmcbjames (talk) 17:24, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Personally, I am not in favor of the merger because we are trying to get lists off of the main article (as mentioned in the GA review) in order to move this article towards final GA. At the same time, I would hope to keep the information that is in the Annual Cultural Events in Lincoln, Nebraska list-article for reference by anyone who would need it. These are my thoughts - not in favor of merger. Hanyou23 (talk) 16:03, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Since no formal merge proposal was made per WP:MERGE, the merge Annual Cultural Events in Lincoln, Nebraska to Lincoln, Nebraska tags were removed. The discussion on this talk page has focused on the improvement of Lincoln article by moving the lists into separate articles allowing for the Lincoln article to be expanded in a more encyclopedic way. Lists belong in list articles.  Consensus was made to move the list of annual cultural events in Lincoln from Lincoln, Nebraska to a new article Annual Cultural Events in Lincoln, Nebraska.  Cheers Gmcbjames (talk) 18:00, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Hartley and Belmont neighborhoods
In the section Neighborhoods , all former cities annexed by Lincoln now have the date of annexation included except for the neighborhoods of Hartley and Belmont. I have not heard of the Hartley neighborhood being an incorporated city, and Belmont may have never incorporated. There is also - so not be confused - the ghost town of Belmont in Dawes County. Any assistance is appreciated and I will keep looking as well. Cheers Gmcbjames (talk) 21:08, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


 * It looks like Belmont was given a land grant for a Baptist community but it never took form. Hartley has always been a neighborhood, as far as I know.  I found this interesting website:
 * http://www.llcgs.info/cpage.php?pt=52
 * ...this website somewhat answers the question at hand... it's a little hard finding any information about these places. Oh well, at least it's a start!  Hanyou23 (talk) 01:01, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * From the source book The Prairie Capital (see article), Belmont was a community and a development but never an incorporated city - so this is confirmed. Seems there was also Normal, which was not incorporated, however the land was annexed in 1919 which may also be added to the article.  The website you found is a good source! Cheers Gmcbjames (talk) 01:22, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * S. 48th and Normal, if I remember right, is where the community of Normal was. There are several others that come to mind... not sure if they were ever incorporated, but I did see them on old maps (I'm a map collector).  West Lincoln, just west of Belmont and east of I-80, was once on the maps (West Lincoln Elementary is there and there is a peculiarly-named road in that area named "Main Street").  There were two or three dots on the map, just on the south side of downtown (on the real old maps), where today there are what you would call old storefronts (S. 11th, south of "H" is one place).  One name that comes to mind is South Lincoln (...signs there say "Klein's Corner, 1928"???... maybe not, then~).  Over on S. 17th St., at Garfield, there's a row of storefronts called "The 17th Street Shops" or something like that... but when I was a kid, it had a different name but can't think of it right now.  Randolph... at S. 27th and Randolph, could have been it's own town (I forget if it's listed in the article or not... just thinking of places off the top of my head now).  Not sure about Piedmont... pretty sure it was a development.  I remember reading an article in the late '90's about Lincoln swallowing up something like 21 towns in it's history, but that's a distant memory unfortunately.


 * Oh well, anyways, we'll see what else we can be dug up here..... Hanyou23 (talk) 04:59, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Capital vs. capitol usage
Lincoln is the capital of Nebraska. The state capitol building is in Lincoln. See capital vs. capitol usage - Cheers Gmcbjames (talk) 05:03, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Roger that. Was there a spot where the two were accidentally mixed up?  Hanyou23 (talk) 01:12, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * All have been fixed as far as I know - mostly for edits made by myself until learning this fact. Cheers Gmcbjames (talk) 01:25, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hahah, it's one that I forgot from elementary school until months back... yikes! Hanyou23 (talk) 01:55, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Suggested history
Some few things I think should be included, or at least mentioned, in the history section are: State Fair Park, Charles Starkweather, the Detroit-Lincoln-Denver Highway, Haymarket Square... I'm forgetting one other. Anyone else think we should include anything? Hanyou23 (talk) 04:39, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Gmcbjames OrbitHawk and other editors - consolidated list of things that have been proposed to be covered in the history section (in no order):
 * Former State Fair Park/Innovation Campus Add to History of Lincoln, Nebraska✅
 * Charles Starkweather Add to History of Lincoln, Nebraska ✅
 * Haymarket Square (minor) Add to History of Lincoln, Nebraska, and summarize in article ✅
 * Helen Boosalis ✅
 * Former trollies of Lincoln Add to History of Lincoln, Nebraska ✅
 * 1970/80s downtown business mass exodus ✅
 * The Centrum ✅
 * Kaneko sculpture/Civic Plaza downtown ✅ Image added to History section.
 * Cool Crest and area around N. 48th/"O" (minor) Add to History of Lincoln, Nebraska
 * 1997 Snow Storm (200-year snow storm) Add to History of Lincoln, Nebraska ✅
 * 2015 Flood (possibly a 100+ -year flood) Add to History of Lincoln, Nebraska ✅
 * Antelope Valley Project Add to History of Lincoln, Nebraska ✅
 * Historic/West Haymarket development Add to History of Lincoln, Nebraska ✅
 * 1894 Rock Island train wreck Add to History of Lincoln, Nebraska ✅
 * Haymarket fire (apx. 1930's) Add to History of Lincoln, Nebraska ✅
 * Southpointe Pavilions (proposed because Gateway is extensively covered) ✅
 * Post-Vietnam Vietnamese refuges ✅
 * Please Discuss! Hanyou23 (talk) 06:09, 23 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I have indicated by a check mark items I will expand into the article. After the topic has been added I will mark as completed. If I think of other topics, I will add them to the list. Cheers Gmcbjames (talk) 03:58, 25 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Although topics have been marked ✅, feel free to expand or edit. Cheers Gmcbjames (talk) 18:22, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

The above list has been copied to History of Lincoln, Nebraska's talk page. Cheers Gmcbjames (talk) 22:20, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

History stand-alone
Gmcbjames has mentioned that the current size of the history section has reached the point to where it now can is possibly maybe should be it's own stand-alone article. This is a proposal... so please discuss! Hanyou23 (talk) 06:09, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The article is at about 96K, where 100K (roughly 20,000 words) is at the upper limit for an article. Whether to create a daughter article - the redirect History of Lincoln, Nebraska would be the target - depends on whether there will be a major expansion of the history section or if the history section will be edited down.  Another possibility, if an editor has an interest in a specific topic in the history section, is to create a daughter article for the specific topic - and then edit the text down in this article. Cheers Gmcbjames (talk) 04:11, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Personally I think that since we're in construction mode, we should still hold off just a little but longer until we're satisfied with what we have for the history section... then spin it off. There are several other sections needing some fixing up - like the sections for annual cultural events and tourism (yikes!), both need new photos (hopefully some of which I can think of taking somewhere...).  If we moved the history section right now, it would look pretty lame... plus it's better advertisement - more editors needed!


 * As for the length of the history section... I think expanding is the way until we see what we end up with (mix 'n match), then we can begin creating daughter or combined daughter articles. Does any of this make any sense???  Hanyou23 (talk) 05:11, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

✅ Since expansion of the history section overwhelmed the article Lincoln, Nebraska, the history section was moved to create the article History of Lincoln, Nebraska. The former history section was summarized in the article Lincoln, Nebraska. The article Timeline of Lincoln, Nebraska history was also created. Historical events in the article Lincoln, Nebraska are to be summaries of major events making Lincoln - Lincoln. Historical events can be expanded and included in the article History of Lincoln, Nebraska. Historical events may also be added to the article Timeline of Lincoln, Nebraska history in short summary statements. Feel free to expand the article History of Lincoln, Nebraska and add notable historical events to the Timeline of Lincoln, Nebraska. Cheers Gmcbjames (talk) 20:02, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Images
Image placement in this article is based on Wikipedia Picture tutorial which seems to conflict with MOS:IMAGELOCATION. Rather than stacking images on the right side as outlined in the MOS, the article is more interesting and appealing using suggestions in the picture tutorial. Cheers Gmcbjames (talk) 17:17, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

New images are being added as they become available - some images are placeholders at this time and may be replaced. The priority has been to expand text - the history section in particular at this time, so some images in sections may seem misplaced as they await text being added. Cheers Gmcbjames (talk) 18:00, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Both sections Geography and Transportation have street maps - since the Geography section has text trapped between images maybe remove the map from Geography and use the best map image for the transit section?
 * ✅ added multiple image template for possible solution - see what you think. Gmcbjames (talk) 23:59, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Alternate text can be added to images if not present for the visually impaired see WP:PIC. Cheers Gmcbjames (talk) 20:33, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ added |alt=refer to caption| to all images for visually impaired. Gmcbjames (talk) 21:07, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Infrastructure
One of these days it'd be great to be able to add hospital facilities under the infrastructure section... have been thinking about it since before the newest marathon to GA. Just a note for potential further improvement to the article (smiley-wink with a cheers!). Hanyou23 (talk) 05:56, 13 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, I agree, the section according to WP:USCITIES would be Health Care and under the section of Infrastructure. Cheers Gmcbjames (talk) 20:38, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ Gmcbjames (talk) 01:00, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

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Silicon Prairie... where???
Hi all! So, I've run into a bit of an conundrum (ooh, big word >o< ~). In the past, when people referred to the "Silicon Prairie" (the name was not set in stone a few years ago), they were referring to Omaha, Lincoln, the surrounding areas and the like. In the past couple of years, though, more and more publications have been referring to the Silicon Prairie as being exclusively Lincoln. Thoughts? Hanyou23 (talk) 15:25, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

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