Talk:Lincoln (automobile)/Archive 1

The last Continental in '02?
I don't ever remember the "Continental" name being dropped, and the 2002 (the last model year) was called the Continental IIRC. Anyone know the whole story?

Also, there are pretty reliable leaks that a new continental is coming out sometime around 2006 that will have a v12 (with +400hp), "suicide doors", and I can only presume situated above the Town Car in their lineup. -- stewacide 00:36 6 Jul 2003 (UTC)


 * The last Lincoln Continental in the US was built in the 2002 model year, and was dropped as part of the post-Ford 2000 restructuring, due to slowing sales and low profitability. That front wheel drive luxury sedan was based on the Ford Taurus platform, and became a showcase of electronic dashboard instruments and high tech gadgetry.  When it was introduced in 1988, the FWD Continental was fairly popular, due to the increased rear legroom, high tech feel, and the public perception that FWD cars were more fuel efficient.  The car used a 150 hp 3.8L V6 for most of the producton run, due to the FWD platform geometry, but Ford was finally able to fit a 250 hp 4.6L DOHC V8, adapted from the Lincoln Mark VIII, in 1995.  That engine power improvement boosted sales somewhat, but ultimately the public just didn't "get" a powerful V8 driving the front wheels in a large American sedan, and the car was dropped.


 * It might not be too unreasonable at this time to speculate that a high tech feature laden mid-large size car, perhaps based on the Lincoln MKS concept vehicle, could be a replacement for the Continental class of vehicles in or around the 2008 time frame. No production plans for MKS-based vehicles have been announced as yet - although Ford is certainly not exactly downplaying the significance of the MKS .  Meanwhile the Lincoln Town Car is expected to continue as the brand's "flagship" for the time being, and to serve as the platform for luxury taxis and limousines ... -- T-dot 14:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, 02 was the last Connie. Consumer Reports has the lowdown on the last generation. The suicide-door prototype is no more than that, so far, I believe.

Presidential Limos
Also, it might be worth mentioning that a Lincoln was the official car of every US President from Franklin Roosevelt (in the 30's) to George Bush (the first), but that that distinction has since fallen to Cadillac. I can't figure out how to work that little tidbit in tho' (...maybe as a sign of Lincoln's recent troubles?). -- stewacide

If you need presidential limo info, there's a good page here.

Is this brand name in any way related to Abraham Lincoln ? Jay 10:30, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Yes, Lincoln is named after the president. Henry Martyn Leland, founder of Lincoln (and Cadillac) cast his first ballot in the 1860 presidential election. Leland should be more famous!

RivGuySC 22:16, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks RivGuySC for the Abraham Lincoln info, I've added that in the article. Jay 04:24, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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"Prestige vehicles"
Should this article be categorized under Category:Prestige vehicles? Shawnc 12:17, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

No since no other car companies article is categorized this way. Gerdbrendel 16:39, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Userbox
I ahve taken the liberty of creating a new Lincoln afficianado userbox. The mark-up is "User Lincoln fan." See the userbox below.

Thank you. Regards,  Signature brendel  02:51, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Who
Built the SS100X, was it Ford or Hess and Eisenhardt? I understand that Ford built the stretch at its research garage, and Hess and Eisenhardt did the uoholstery and final detailing, is this the case?152.163.101.11 01:01, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

How About
Some focus on the Quality and performance of the Suicide door Lincolns? I owned a 63 and the only thing that could maintane any distance at high speed was an Imperial.152.163.101.11 01:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * There is no need to mention such a trivial minor attribute of the Continental. After all this is not consuner reports or Readers Digest, but an encyclopedia article. There simply is no reasonable justification to mention the quality of each attribute of each vehicle ever made. Such a comment might however be correctly placed on the Lincoln Continental article, under the appropriate generation's section. Thank you. Regards,  Signature brendel  01:36, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Pardon me, I thought this was a talk page. I thought your article was fine as it was, thats why I used the talk page.


 * Yes, this is the talk page and the correct place to discuss such a proposition. I merely stated that the addition of any commentary regarding problems with the classic Continental's suicide doors would be misplaced here and thus somewhat unapropsite. Thank you. Regards,  Signature brendel  04:39, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Where
Did Oliver Stone get the copy of the SS100X he used in J.F.K.? randazzo56 01:28, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Another Concept Car
Lincoln made another notable concept car using the "edge design" concept, but I don't recall its name. If anyone remembers it, it would probably be worth adding under the Concept Cars list, as it was a neat idea.
 * The Lincoln Sentinel is the car in question; added it to the list. (See http://www.21stcentury.co.uk/cars/ford_lincoln_sentinel.asp.)

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LuciferMorgan 01:03, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

$10000 question
The article says the Mk2 listed at US$10K; Wise, in WoA, sez not. Who's right?

BTW, what was the last Lincoln to use a V12? Trekphiler 20:39, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

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There are way too many pictures of Lincolns on grass. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.58.149.18 (talk) 21:16, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Willi Münzenberg's Lincoln
Willi Münzenberg was a leading propagandist for the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) during the Weimar Era. His style was not completely proletarian, he made his voyages in a huge Linclon driven by his chauffeur Emil Berger. In early March 1933 he had to flee to Paris, the Lincoln became a bit outplaced for him as a refugee. So the car was shipped to the USSR and given to the Workers International Relief in Moscow. Is there any possibility to find out, whether the car was given to a museum?92.229.255.191 (talk) 20:29, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Continental Marque
Some more facts to support my changes done today. I´m still learning to enter facts on Wikipedia so I havn´t yet done any changes on other Lincoln articles.

There has always been a confusion between the make Continental and the model Continental from Lincoln, especially since 1968 when Ford built them side by side at Wixom and sold them in the same dealerships. Continental was first used on a Lincoln-Zephyr (at this point still a separate make from Lincoln) in 1940, from 1941-48 it was a model under Lincoln. When the Mark II was released in october 1955 Ford had upgraded the modelname to a Make with its own Division. The Division existed between October 16 1954 and July 18 1956, it was closed down due to poor sales and the Make Continental became part of Lincoln Division. Lincoln Division produced the remaining Mark II´s until May 13 1957 and used the Make Continental on their 1958-59 Mark III and IV. From 1960 the Continental line again becomes a Lincoln model, and the 1960 Lincoln Continental Mark V is the only Lincoln Mark with Continental in the name. Since the 1958-60 models were only upgraded Lincolns and had none of the styling features of the original Continentals, they are not mentioned in later Ford publicity material over Marks, like in this 1977 Mark V catalogue: http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Lincoln/1977_Lincoln/1977_Continental_Mark_V_Brochure/1977%20Continental%20Mark%20V-02.html, hence the expression "The forgotten Marks". When Lee Iacocca revitalized the car lines of Lincoln-Mercury in the mid-late sixties he wanted to use the styling of the first Continental built for Edsel Ford and the Mark II, this was done on the platform of the 4-door Thunderbird and completed with a Rolls-Royce inspired grille. It was named Mark III since it in style was a worthy successor to the Mark II and the Make Continental was also reintroduced. This is visible in the catalogues, when the Lincoln Continental and the Continental Marks are portrayed in the same catalogues there´s always a distinction between them. And from 1976-81 they´re portrayed in separate catalogues. On the back of the cover the Make and Model is written in capital letters like all cars from Ford Motor Company these years. Continental is not an exception.

Some samples of 1979 catalogues from Ford Motor Company: http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Lincoln/1979%20Lincoln/1979_Lincoln_Continental_Brochure/dirindex.html http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Lincoln/1979%20Lincoln/1979%20Continental%20Mark%20V%20Brochure/dirindex.html http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Mercury/1979%20Mercury/1979_Mercury_Monarch_Brochure/dirindex.html http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Ford/1979_Ford/1979_Ford_LTD_Brochure/dirindex.html

1977 Continental Products Facts Book, Continental Mark V AND Lincoln Continental: http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Lincoln/1977_Lincoln/1977_Continental_Product_Facts_Book/dirindex.html

Effective with 1981 modelyear all manufacturers use a 17 character VIN-code: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_Identification_Number The first 3 digits gives the make of the car, between 1981-85 Continental has a separate code 1MR instead of Lincolns 1LN.

From Fords 1982 VIN-decoder: http://www.geting.se/viewimage/image/299326-VIN_Decode_1_1.jpg

Continental was a separate Make until 1985 modelyear, and for 1986 the two remaining models became Lincolns. The mid-size Continental Sedan became Lincoln Continental and the Continental Mark VII became Lincoln Mark VII. So pre 1986 there were no Lincoln Marks except the 1960 Continental Mark V.

Most of the facts come from these books: The Cars of Lincoln-Mercury, George H Dammann & James K Wagner, Crestline Publishings 1987. ISBN 0-912612-26-2

Iacocca: An Autobiography. Lee Iacocca with William Novak, Bantam Books 1984. ISBN 0-533-05067-2

For the moment all these Continentals are hidden on Wikipedia under different Lincoln pages, and I believe there has to be a separate page for Continental to make it comprehensible. As it is now it only adds to the confusion between the two makes.

Slimbrow (talk) 14:23, 23 April 2011 (UTC)