Talk:Lindsey Stirling/Archive 2

Reorganization proposal
Since we have articles for both albums and the discography now, perhaps a reorganization to make room for new accomplishments?
 * Instead of posting the entire thing here, you should have done it in a user-space subpage, or as a draft. Alex &#124; The &#124; Whovian  05:04, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I did that with the discography posted above, it sat for a couple year and somebody else did the discography from scratch. I just got around to moving the infobox over today.
 * The talk page is generally where changes are discussed, I think this will be the easiest place to remember where the discussion is occurring. We can always archive this page when we are done. --Cheers-- 009o9 (talk) 05:19, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, discuss it here, but create the proposed article in a sandbox or userspace subpage. Such a large content dump is not required here, you can easily link elsewhere while keeping the discussion itself here. I recommend that you take this course of action immediately. Alex &#124; The &#124; Whovian  05:38, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * How's this Mr. immediately? 009o9 (talk) 06:01, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, that works. Alex &#124; The &#124; Whovian  06:10, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, at least we have a semi-static area to discuss what needs to be moved to where, there is a lot here and I'm not the most well versed on Stirling's career. I don't want to start anything without buy-in from the interested parties. --Cheers-- 009o9 (talk) 06:25, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Maybe the interested parties could do a section in their own sandboxes and use strike though in this copy to show what content they have reused. The career section is empty, but really should be composed, I think a ton of this stuff could be condensed there. If we get all of the sections defined, when people drop off factoids, the article will stay organized. 009o9 (talk) 05:34, 16 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I started a draft article for reorganization and move relevant content, nothing is set in concrete. Each section really needs to be re-written in prose. User:009o9/Draft Stirling reduex Please feel free to edit there -- Cheers -- 009o9 (talk) 23:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

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Dancing
From a young age, Stirling had a fascination for dance, and wanted to take both dancing and violin lessons. In an interview with NewMediaRockstars, she said, "...ever since I was a kid, I've always wished that I could dance, but my parents said, 'You [can] choose violin or you [can] choose dance, but we can't afford both', and I chose violin. So this is kind of a fulfillment – it's funny to say, but this is something I've always wanted to do."

She impressed the judges on America's Got Talent, not only by mixing hip-hop and classical music on the violin, but by incorporating dancing with playing the violin, which she also does on her tours and official music videos. On a live-chat Stirling explained: "It is very unnatural to dance while playing the violin. I had to practice so hard to learn how to do it but now it is part of my expression and it comes naturally. I have to know a song perfectly before I can even begin to move. Once I know a song really well I can then have fun dancing." Not only in her performances, but also with her music, dancing made a huge impact: "I loved dance music so I started with that and wrote Transcendence, Electric Daisy and Spontaneous Me."

In October 2013, Stirling announced she would take part in season three of Dance Showdown, a dance competition web series created by DanceOn where the winner is awarded US$50000. Stirling was the second of three finalists, but didn't win the fifty thousand dollars despite receiving critical acclaim on her three performances with her partner Anze Skrube. One of the three judges, Laurieann Gibson, classified her second performance as "one of the best" in Dance Showdown and the last one as the best she had ever seen.

2010–12: America's Got Talent and debut studio album
In 2010, at the age of 23, Stirling was a quarter-finalist on season five of America's Got Talent, where she was described as a "hip hop violinist". Stirling's performances were dubbed "electrifying" by the judges, and won the acclaim of the audience, but after she attempted to step up the dance level in her quarter-final performance, judge Piers Morgan told her: "You're not untalented, but you're not good enough to get away with flying through the air and trying to play the violin at the same time." Sharon Osbourne commented: "You need to be in a group. ... What you're doing is not enough to fill a theater in Vegas." In her blog, Stirling confided: "I was devastated at the results ... It was painful, and a bit humiliating; however, I had to relearn where it was that I drew my strength." Stirling decided to continue to embrace her unique style of performance, promoting herself on the Internet. In a 2012 interview she remarked: "A lot of people have told me along the way that my style and the music I do ... is unmarketable. But the only reason I'm successful is because I have stayed true to myself."

Move to videos section in discography?Shortly after her performance on America's Got Talent, cinematographer Devin Graham contacted her in hopes of making a YouTube video together. They agreed to shoot a music video for her song, "Spontaneous Me". It was filmed the week of May 9, 2011. The video boosted Stirling's popularity, and she began making music videos for her YouTube channel regularly. Graham has filmed almost all of her videos, while Stirling often does backup camera work and assists with his music videos. Stirling's YouTube channel, Lindseystomp, which she created in 2007 and which is named after her first band Stomp on Melvin, is the main repository for her music videos. During 2011, the channel rapidly gained popularity and has over 1 billion total views and over six million subscribers,. Her music is featured on Pandora, Spotify, and Last.FM. Stirling also created a second YouTube channel, LindseyTime, in September 2012, in which she posts videos related to her life, vlogs, behind-the-scenes content, etc.

Move up to Dancing section?Stirling has experimented in combining violin playing with hip hop and dubstep. Stirling's collaborations with other musicians and singers have included Shaun Barrowes ("Don't Carry It All" – The Decemberists), Jake Bruene and Frank Sacramone ("Party Rock Anthem" – LMFAO), Tay Zonday ("Mama Economy"), Peter Hollens ("Skyrim", "A Thousand Years", "Game of Thrones" and "Star Wars"), Alisha Popat ("We Found Love"), John Allred ("Tomb"), Amiee Proal ("A Thousand Years"), Megan Nicole ("Starships"), The Piano Guys ("Mission Impossible"), Debi Johanson ("River Flows in You", "Phantom of the Opera"), Sam Tsui ("Heads Up"), Tyler Ward ("I Knew You Were Trouble", Thrift Shop"), Kurt Hugo Schneider ("Pokemón Dubstep Remix" and "A Thousand Years"), John Legend ("All of Me"), Chester See ("I Knew You Were Trouble"), and Pentatonix ("Radioactive", "Papaoutai"). She has also collaborated with the Salt Lake Pops orchestra and Alex Boye. Stirling's eponymous debut album was released on September 18, 2012 in conjunction with a North American tour that same month.

Tours
Stirling completed her first U.S. tour on November 26, 2012. She announced her second tour as well as a "test tour" for Europe on December 3, 2012, which kicked off in January 2013. The tour covered 55 cities throughout Europe, Canada and the U.S. and ended in Arizona on April 5, 2013.

In December 2012, YouTube announced that Stirling's song, "Crystallize", was the No. 8 top-viewed video of 2012 with over 42 million views.

2013 –present : First World Tour and Shatter Me
On April 22, 2013, it was announced that Lady Gaga's manager (Troy Carter) inked a deal with Stirling after being impressed by her rise in the media. "By looking at the numbers, automatically you could see this girl knew how to move the needle and understood YouTube was a venue to engage fans both online and offline," Carter said. Stirling, who had previously refused to work with other management companies explained her new deal with Carter: "But with Atom Factory, they were up to date on current things and trying new stuff all the time, and I felt so creatively alive when I met with them."

Move to albums section or album article? On June 21, Stirling received her first golden certification for her album, Lindsey Stirling, in Germany and in the next month, she earned golden certifications from Switzerland and Austria. On August 2, 2013, Billboard announced that Stirling's studio album had sold more than 158,000 copies in the United States and that she was the second best-selling artist on the Classical Crossover charts in 2013, behind Andrea Bocelli's album Passione.

In June 2013, she performed at Miss Switzerland, and in July, she joined Nathan Pacheco, The Orchestra at Temple Square and the Mormon Tabernacle Choir at the 21,000-seat LDS Conference Center in Salt Lake City, UT for their annual Pioneer Day concert. Stirling also announced her first ever tour dates in Australia, South Korea and Japan. Stirling's YouTube channel reached three million subscribers on August 31 and on September 4, after almost a year of touring, she completed her world tour with her last appearance in London. On September 12, Stirling performed at the Dreamball 2013 charity gala at Ritz Carlton in Berlin, Germany. Two weeks later, Stirling announced on her official website that she had started making her second album.

Move to albums section or album article? Almost a year after its official release, Stirling's self-titled studio album was re-released on October 29, 2013, as an exclusive deluxe version featuring newly recorded versions and remixes of her best-known songs such as "Crystallize", "Elements", and "Transcendence". Target carried four bonus tracks while all other retailers had two additional tracks. Stirling sold 10,000 copies of her extended-version album in the first week of sales, which was a record for her, and her album as it peaked from No. 79 to No. 23, becoming its highest position in Billboard 200. Days before, she had performed on Conan on October 24.

Move to awards section?On November 3, 2013, Stirling and Pentatonix's version of "Radioactive" won a YouTube Music Award in the category Response of the Year. Stirling also performed during the live-streamed event. On December 16, Stirling announced the first tour dates on Canada and United States of her new 2014 World Tour; some pre-sales were sold out after the first day of selling and the first concert to be sold out was in Portland, Oregon on January 29.

'''Do we have a Charts section? maybe to the root of Career?'Stirling appeared on several Billboard 2013 year-end charts; notably, No. 3 on Classical Album Artists, No. 2 on Classical Albums, and No. 3 on Dance/Electronic Albums (both for Lindsey Stirling'').

At the beginning of 2014, Stirling's self-titled album hit gold on Poland, received its first platinum certification in Germany and later on in Austria. Stirling received her first RIAA gold certification on February 4 for her hit single "Crystallize". On February 26 Stirling released for the first time her debut album in France which entered in number 17 selling 4,900 copies in its first week of sales. On March 5, Stirling performed three concerts at the El Plaza Condesa in Mexico City, being her first time to do so in Latin America.

Awards section? In 2014, Stirling was nominated for the Echo music award in two categories: Crossover National/International and Newcomer International, receiving the Crossover National/International award on March 28.



Move to Album article? On March 12, 2014, Stirling posted a video announcing her second studio album, Shatter Me, would be released in May. She also created a PledgeMusic account where consumers could buy her new album, signed or not, and also exclusive items, such as signed posters, personalized video and even Skype calls with Stirling herself. At the end of the first day, the signed Shatter Me CD was already sold out. On March 25, Stirling officially released her first single from Shatter Me, entitled "Beyond the Veil", along with its accompanying music video. On April 3, Stirling posted that she collaborated with Owl City for his fifth album. The song, "Beautiful Times", was released on April 8.

Move to Album article? On April 23, 2014, Stirling released the second single of her upcoming album: "Shatter Me". The song, the album's title track, accumulated 1.3 million views its first day online. The album was released in the United States on April 29 and in Europe on May 2. In the U.S., the album sold 56,000 copies in its first week and reached No. 2 on Billboard 200, becoming Stirling's biggest sales week ever. In Europe, Shatter Me was also a commercial success as it reached the Top 5 in Sweden and Germany and also peaking the first position in Austria. On May 18, Stirling assisted to the Billboard Music Awards where her debut album had been nominated in the category "Top Electronic/Dance Album". Stirling also performed her first single "Beyond the Veil" during the ceremony.

Is this the same tour?On May 13, 2014, Stirling performed in San Diego, the first show of her second world tour, which consisted of 77 shows in total, 48 in North America and 29 in Europe. This world Tour was in support of her new album Shatter Me and the crew consisted of Jason Gaviati and Drew Steen (which had been part of her First World Tour) plus the adding of two new dancers: Stephen Jones and Pter Styles and the choreographer Anže Škrube.

Move to Album article? On July 2, Billboard posted that Stirling's second studio album Shatter Me had been the third dance/electronic album with most sales in the first half of the year (119,000) only behind Daft Punk's Random Access Memories and Lady Gaga's Artpop. In the same chart, Stirling's debut studio album was at sixth place with 108,000 copies sold in the first half of 2014. On July 27 Stirling's hit single Crystallize reached 100 million views, being Stirling's first music video in doing so. Six days later, on August 2, Stirling posted on her Twitter account that she had been nominated for her first ever Teen Choice award. On August 6, Stirling came back after four years to America's Got Talent to perform as host, along with Lzzy Hale their single "Shatter Me".

'''Should we have a collaborations section? Maybe move to the discog? Was this part of the tour?'''In August, it was revealed that Stirling would be part of two collaborations. The first one was revealed on August 13, and was about Stirling collaborating for a second time with the a cappella group Pentatonix for their third studio album PTX, Vol. III on the French song "Papaoutai". The second collaboration was revealed nine days later, on August 22, when it was announced Stirling had been part of a song with singer Jessie J for her upcoming album Sweet Talker. On September 29, Stirling announced she would be joining tenor Andrea Bocelli for his UK and Ireland Tour on November 2014.

On October 4, Stirling started the European leg of her second world tour by performing in Finland, on support of her album Shatter Me. On November 24, Stirling extended her tour to the year of 2015 by adding dates in North America and Oceania. That same day Stirling performed at The Today Show to promote her album by performing "Roundtable Rival". On December 5th, Stirling performed at the Video Game Awards.

Charts section? On the 2014 Year-End Billboard Charts, Stirling peaked the categories of Classical Albums with Shatter Me and the Classical Album Artist. Her second studio album also appeared tenth in the year-end charts of independent albums and fourth in Dance/Electronic Albums. Stirling had the second position in the Dance/Electronic Album Artists and fifth in the charts of independent artist and Top dance/electronic artists.

Root of Career section?On January 9, 2015 Stirling was featured on the Forbe's list '30 Under 30' as one of the few musicians featured in the top thirty of recognized celebrities under the age of thirty. In that same day Billboard announced that Shatter Me and Lindsey Stirling had reached the first and second position as the best-selling dance-electronic albums in 2014. On February 7, 2015, Lindsey performed at the Grammy Foundation's 17th annual Legacy Concert. Few days later, on February 13th,Stirling announced that the public television would be airing her shows from London under the name Lindsey Stirling: Live from London, starting in March. It was confirmed that the airing would be playing across United States as well.

Awards section? On March 2, it was announced that Stirling had won a YouTube Music Award among other forty-nine artists. The fifty selected artists were the ones with biggest growth in views, subscribers and engagement over the last six months. This is Stirling's second YouTube Music Award. On March 23, the 2015 YouTube Music Awards were held via online, in this ceremony thirteen selected artists released original music videos. Stirling released the music video for "Take Flight". On March 26th, Lindsey assisted the 2015 Echo Music Awards, where she won for a second consecutive year the category of "Best Crossover Act". Stirling also performed at the Echo Awards with artist Andreas Bourani. On April 7, the 2015 Billboard Music Awards nominees were announced and Stirling was mentioned in two categories: Top Dance/Electronic Artist and Top Dance/Electronic Album, for her album Shatter Me. Stirling was awarded the winner in the latter category. It was her first Billboard Music Award. On May 4, a single from Marina Kaye'e Fearless album was released under the title Sounds Like Heaven, featuring Stirling. A day later a collaboration between Stirling and Joy Enriquez was released on iTunes.

Books section?On June 21, Stirling announced that over the course of two and a half years, she had completed her autobiography The Only Pirate at the Party.

On July 1, while being interviewed by Billboard in New York, Stirling announced that when her current tour had been completed in August she would begin work on her third studio album: "As soon as we finish this tour, mid-August, I'm just gonna jump straight into the studio, it's pretty exciting and it's also terrifying to start thinking about a new album again. But I'm honestly so excited to see where it goes. I have a lot of ideas on directions it could go, and I'm really excited to see which way it could go. But the truth is, I don't know where it's going!"

Condense in root of Career sectionIn its July 22nd issue, Variety magazine ranked Stirling eleventh on its Digital Star Ranking, which ranks the top twelve stars in the digital world. It was also estimated that Stirling's annual Ad Income was of 364,000 dollars.

College Graduation -- Propose Education section
Until some of the sections get condensed, I think we might continue to get people coming by to drop off the graduation news in various locations. For instance, I moved one of the mentions to Early life because she started the degree young and 28 is still pretty young to me.

Should we do an Education section so that people can readily find the news? --Cheers--009o9 (talk) 04:16, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The article is fine. -- AstroU (talk) 15:35, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

New NEWS today, for future editing
When someone sees dancing violinist Lindsey Stirling’s book cover for the first time, one of his or her first questions is likely, ... Headline-1: Dancing violinist Lindsey Stirling discusses her new book, LDS faith and taking a different route to stardom QUOTE: "As Stirling finished second grade, her struggle with reading led to her being diagnosed with cross dominance, a condition that causes “mental health, language and scholastic problems.” The recommended treatment included wearing an eye patch. The eye patch bothered Stirling until one day when she began to embrace it by imagining she was a pirate. She writes that she developed a fascination with pirates, particularly their attitudes toward life." -- AstroU (talk) 16:15, 17 January 2016 (UTC) -- PS: FYI for future editing.
 * http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865645484/Dancing-violinist-Lindsey-Stirling-discusses-her-new-book-LDS-faith-and-taking-an-untraditional.html?pg=all

Lindsey Stirling 2012/2013 Tour
For those interesting in Lindsey Stirling, there is an ongoing draft for her 2012/2013 Tour: Draft:Lindsey Stirling 2012/2013 Tour. Much of the information is from copy-pasting the 2014/2015 Tour article, and needs to be replaced. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 01:00, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Only the Background and Reception sections need filling in/expanding - if anyone has any content related to these sections, it could then be moved to the article namespace. Thanks. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 12:17, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Appearance on Good Mythical Morning
The Good Mythical Morning show doesn't have a stand-alone article on Wikipedia, so I presume it's not notable. The burden is on anyone else to prove that the show is notable. Also, I have a big problem with using the YouTube video as the source. That's a primary source because it's the YouTube channel of the show. As far as I'm concerned, it's nothing more than a blatant attempt to further boost viewership of not only that video but also to promote the show using Lindsey's article, hoping to increase the number of subscribers. How can you justify having a primary source for this information? Furthermore, keeping in mind that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and having watched the entire video, I fail to see the educational value of this information. Did you watch the video? You need to watch more than seven minutes of it in order to confirm that the claim is true. I don't see the point in mentioning her appearance on that show. Dontreader (talk) 02:39, 15 May 2016 (UTC)


 * As expected, I cannot find an independent reliable source that talks about Lindsey's appearance on the show. Clearly it's a non-notable event, unless my search missed an independent reliable source. So we've got two guys with a very successful YouTube show, and Lindsey was invited on the show to judge them dancing in an imbecilic comedic manner. Who cares? Is this worthy of inclusion in the encyclopedia? Dontreader (talk) 03:00, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Dota 2 TI6 Appearance
I don't have all the facts, but Lindsey Stirling was part of the opening ceremony for Dota 2's The International 6, which is incredibly widely known. It should probably be mentioned somewhere. Here is a link to the performance.173.78.82.117 (talk) 18:52, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Singer?
I'm curious why the page says that Lindsey is a singer? As far as I can remember, she used her voice mostly in medleys/covers like Thrift Shop, Assassin's Creed and Lord of the Rings, Silent Night and one original song Stars Align where she only did some background stuff or said just a few words. Is that enough to consider someone a singer or am I missing something? Regards, mrDoctorWho  08:16, 29 June 2016 (UTC)


 * mrDoctorWho, I agree with you. I don't think Lindsey is notable as a singer, although I haven't been following her career for almost a year now. The claim in the lead section that she is a singer is not supported by the provided source . Instead, it reads, "Lindsey Striling is a solo violinist, composer and dancer." Without a reliable source stating that she is a singer I believe that claim should be removed. The infobox has the same problem because we see violin and vocals in the Instruments field, but that seems to be a mistake according to Template:Infobox_musical_artist, which reads, "Instruments listed in the infobox should be limited to only those that the artist is primarily known for using. The instruments infobox parameter is not intended as a WP:COATRACK for every instrument the subject has ever used." So I really think you have a strong point unless a reliable source is found that claims she is a singer. Dontreader (talk) 15:06, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't please get me wrong — I don't want unchecked info in Wikipedia — but I think we first need to see what the new album brings. When Lindsey was answering fans' questions, back in 2015, I remember she told that she's actually planning to start singing. mrDoctorWho  15:49, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

So, the new album Brave Enough has been released yesterday. And as far as I can judge, Lindsey is still not a singer. I want to remove this title from the page. Any objections? — mrDoctorWho  13:36, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Okay, Lindsey is actually a singer. She has a single named Firefly where she actually sings. However, I could not find anything about it, it not seems to be available to purchase or download. This video is all I could find as a proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhdCT6ZtD50. Could anyone else find something or this video is enough to put the singer title back to page? — mrDoctorWho 13:11, 22 September 2016 (UTC)


 * It appears she sang it for the Barbie: Star Light Adventure film, according to description on this video. — mrDoctorWho 13:25, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * That needs a third party source, I'm afraid. Karst (talk) 13:52, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Social media accounts that are verified (i.e. in YouTube's case, have a grey tick next to their name) are able to be used as reliable sources. The second YouTube link meets this requirement. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 14:05, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Great, but it does not say whether Lindsey sings the song or just plays the violin as usual. — mrDoctorWho  14:18, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

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Remove the link to "List of female violinists" or change that list
She's not on this list because she's not born before 1980. Why do you have to be born before 1980 to be in that list? I'd say if someone is notable enough add her to the list. NicoLaan (talk) 10:08, 19 December 2016 (UTC)


 * It's not necessary for a related page to have anything specifically about Lindsey Stirling. They already have a common topic: female violinists, so I wouldn't remove it. Although, I personally consider this a shame that the mentioned list has such rules about birth year. — mrDoctorWho  10:48, 19 December 2016 (UTC)


 * as best I can tell the primary author for that page was working chronologically and simply stopped at 1980. I'm sure it would be fine to add Stirling and remove the note about "1980". –xenotalk 22:23, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

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Eating disorder
Hi, Lindsey Stirling recently did an interview where she talks about her struggles with eating disorder (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grxbFqp14bo), I think this would be good to add to the page. Just putting this here as a note. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.85.8 (talk) 12:20, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Singer
Years ago, after "Brave Enough", there was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lindsey_Stirling/Archive_2#Singer? "a debate about whether to include that Lindsey Stirling is a singer"]. At that point, it nearly left in because of the Firefly video on the YouTube verified account Barbie, but was left out because although the voice was identifiable as her, the video description itself did not clarify whether Lindsey was only playing the violin, or also singing. A lot has changed since then. It's no longer occasional singing during live performances, and small vocal segments on released songs. In the past 2 years, Lindsey always sings at concerts now. Lindsey has confirmed that although she wants to primarily be known as a violinist, she has been taking vocal lessons; although her original intent for lessons was to improve singing at concerts, she really liked how she progressed and released "Warmer in the Winter" and "Santa Baby" with her singing rather than getting someone else. Lindsey confirmed she sang Firefly, as it was released on the Pledge Music pre-order of Brave Enough. On "Warmer in the Winter", she sang "Warmer in the Winter". On the 2018 deluxe edition of "Warmer in the Winter", she sang "I Wonder As I Wander" and "Santa Baby". Both of these videos she just released even feature her singing, rather than just having it in the background. Numerous articles regarding her current Christmas tour now reference her as a singer. . Glitter Magazine did as well. Heavy is including calling Lindsey a singer, including Bloomingdale's calling her a singer in their advertising that Lindsey would be at their reveal of their holiday windows. Darlingm (talk) 11:26, 4 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Likewise, a press release is calling Stirling a dancer now; should we go ahead and add that? —C.Fred (talk) 19:52, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Cross dominance/oculular dominance
Is there a reason that 'cross-dominance' links to 'ocular dominance' rather than the article for cross-dominance? It seems counter-intuitive to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dstar3k (talk • contribs) 01:45, 12 April 2020 (UTC)