Talk:Link Motion Inc

Stock crash and lawsuit
In 2013, NQ's stock went into a sudden dive, followed by lawsuits. "The stock price of Beijing-based NQ Mobile, a mobile Internet services provider that traded on the New York Stock Exchange, “fell a shattering 47 percent” to $12.09 a share when the research report was issued Oct. 24 (2013). ... The research firm (Muddy Waters LLC) alleged that at least 72 percent of the company’s revenue in China is fictitious and that its actual market share in China is 1.5 percent instead of 55 percent that it had claimed, according to the complaint. The report also questioned financial statements filed with the Chinese government and the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission." This needs to be covered. John Nagle (talk) 06:08, 29 November 2014 (UTC)


 * This is now covered in the Timeline of key events section. --Dodi 8238 (talk) 06:15, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

What the company does
The lede seemed to indicate that NQ Mobile was a cellular carrier, with the phrasing "provider of mobile Internet services". That's deceptive. They're not a carrier. They just sell security software for some mobile phones, along with some other apps. John Nagle (talk) 19:46, 2 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I think "provider of Internet-based services for mobile phones" would be better, so I've changed it to that. --Dodi 8238 (talk) 11:31, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Since you, do you have a better suggestion? How about "provider of mobile and Internet-based services"? --Dodi 8238 (talk) 07:09, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I took the description from the companies profile page. http://ir.nq.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=243152&p=irol-NetQin101 I never understood the confusion as mobile internet services are much broader than carrier services which I think relate to companies like AT&T or Verizon etc. This profile might help with a better lede if you think the current is deceptive. http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/companyProfile?symbol=NQ Rgeurts (talk) 07:45, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for explaining where you got it from. The entire lead section is first two sentences are essentially a copyright violation (copied from here) and because of this it they should be rewritten anyway. I've started with the lead sentence. --Dodi 8238 (talk) 08:07, 27 January 2016 (UTC) [edited 08:13, 27 January 2016 (UTC)]


 * I don't mean to be critical but now it sounds like they make phones and that's not true at all. They do write software for phones but not the OS. They are invested in a company that does make an OS but there has been little published regarding their involvement although the CEO is the Chairman of the OS company. Anyway, they are a software and services company first and foremost and of course they are mobile first. One example of a service they offer besides security and antivirus is device insurance for the iPad and iPhone should it get lost stolen or broken etc. They are also now offering a service where people can stream live video similar to Twitch it's called Showself.com. Let me know if you need more info or I can find links the difficulty is most I find is in Chinese. Rgeurts (talk) 14:35, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing that out. I changed "develops, licenses, supports and sells mobile phones and services" to "develops, licenses, supports and sells software and services, primarily for mobile phones". --Dodi 8238 (talk) 07:48, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

(Copied here from Talk:Nagle)

 * The following discussion is closed. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
 * Wikipedia is not an advertising platform and should not use promotional terms. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:50, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

You took out all the products and this is the second time someone removed a bunch of stuff. When I started there was a product list and I just tried to add some of the new products. In addition I did a lot of reading before putting up just a few products as highlights but from what I read you've missed the mark entirely.

NQ Mobile is a holding company and has nearly a dozen subsidiaries all revolving around mobile. The tiny little bit you've written while removing the info on some of their actual products is discouraging to say the least.

Additionally, I don't understand why the need to try to clarify that they are not a cell phone carrier as there are many different types of mobile devices and anyone who confuse internet services with carriers probably needs to read more than the first line of the webpage.

Rgeurts (talk) 22:56, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a vehicle for promotion. The article looked too much like advertising and was referred to WP:COIN for that reason. John Nagle (talk) 23:11, 2 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I see. It's disheartening to have something taken out. This is the second time if not the third time the product section has been targeted. Here's what I originally created:


 * == Products ==


 * === NQ Mobile ===
 * NQ Live
 * NQ Live is an always-on replacement for the wallpaper on your Android device. It delivers content and functionality to your homescreen, tailored to the brands you follow or the news you need.


 * NQ Mobile Security
 * Complete protection against malware, spyware, hackers.


 * NQ Family Guardian
 * NQ Family Guardian eliminates the fear factor for parents by allowing you to monitor your child's smartphone activities and locations.


 * NQ Mobile Vault
 * NQ Mobile Vault removes the privacy risks you face by giving you control over what others can see providing a safe place to store your private data.


 * NQ Mobile Assurance
 * NQ Mobile Assurance can help locate your lost or stolen phone.


 * NQ Android Booster
 * NQ Android Booster optimizes system performance while minimizing power consumption, and allows users to be in control of network data usage.


 * NQ Call Blocker
 * NQ Mobile Call Blocker is designed to keep you in control of your phone, allowing you to easily manage your calls and contacts with a touch of a button.


 * NQ Mobile Guard
 * Complete protection for your mobile world — and everything in it.


 * ===FL Mobile ===
 * Gods & Dragons
 * With Gods & Dragons, FL Mobile expands and improves upon the Puzzle RPG genre made popular in Japan with an apocalyptic storyline that puts the fate of its fictional world in your hands. Come conquer dungeons, vanquish wicked foes, and evolve your legion of epic monsters.


 * ===NationSky ===
 * NQSky Mobile Management Platform
 * NQSky™ is a robust, end-to-end solution for enterprise-level mobile management and security, developed by NQ Mobile and its Beijing subsidiary, NationSky, a leading provider of mobile services to enterprises in China.


 * BYOD Platform
 * Nation Sky BYOD platform is China’s first professional enterprise-oriented sales platform integrating software, hardware, carrier voice data cards and services. The platform offers various devices and voice data services covering iOS, Android, Windows 8 and other platforms, provides one-stop proprietary devices and services for employees of different enterprises, and leverages large-scale deployment of employees to help enterprises realize “bring your own device” in real sense while saving costs.


 * Enterprise App Store
 * Nation Sky Enterprise App Store is a complete set of customized application store solutions and application service platform based on iOS and Android. The platform allows enterprises to build app stores at ease, builds an enterprise-centric, authoritative and professional mobile application portal for enterprise customers, and creates an efficient and harmonious mobile Internet application ecosystem for large enterprises, media, exhibitions, education and other industries.


 * Centre Enterprise Server
 * Nation Sky Centre Enterprise Server (CES) means expanding multi-platform public data interface, WEB management control, data cache, data compression and encryption, data distribution and other functions based on SOA to realize data extraction, data analysis, data reorganization, data callback and other functions of platform applications or business systems, thus allowing the platforms or systems to be integrated or expanded to mobile devices.


 * Enterprise Mobile Security System
 * Based on NQ cloud platform, the enterprise mobile security system adopts the world’s largest mobile security knowledge base, and has strong malicious software detection capability. The product line includes API monitoring platform, SDK monitoring platform, online guardian, test gateway, etc.


 * API monitoring platform is an online security detection product provided for partners. It provides a standard open API, through which the customer’s apps can be connected to NQ cloud security platform, realizing quick security detection of WEB/WAP sites, app stores and mobile browsers.


 * Rgeurts (talk) 01:49, 3 December 2014 (UTC)


 * That's why it had to come out. "Complete protection for your mobile world — and everything in it." is ad-speak. See WP:PEACOCK. This is a problem for many editors who come from a promotional background.  Wikipedia articles are not ads. They don't use "seller's talk". This is not PR Newswire. Nor is it a product catalog.  See WP:NOT.  John Nagle (talk) 04:24, 3 December 2014 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

"History" and "Timeline of Key Events"
We don't need both a "History" and "Timeline of Key Events" section. Those need to be merged. John Nagle (talk) 06:24, 13 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree with Nagle that the "History" and "Timeline of key events" sections should be merged. --Dodi 8238 (talk) 12:35, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Whitewashing, NPOV and potential COI
It looks to me as if the article has been carefully managed to put a positive spin on the company. The story about the NQ Vault product apparently not encrypting properly has been very widely reported, and although NQ reject the claims it seems to be to be a newsworthy item. It isn't the case that *all* negative comment has been removed because the Muddy Waters reference is still in there, but I do feel that one or more editors who ONLY edit on this topic have a connection or interest in this company that is inappropriate. Shritwod (talk) 14:24, 13 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Shritwod,


 * I noticed the page had been hit by hackers/vandals who not only added links to their hackers website but defaced the page with the word "butt". The page you've added is far from a product review as it's not balanced and is more of a one sided/slanted blog post on the companies product because of this hack IMO. I'd like to remove the whole review section as it is somewhat promotional to begin with and the company offers a lot more than this one product anyway (see vLife and Doreso for example http://www.nq.com/). Rgeurts (talk) 14:46, 13 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't think Shritwod is referring to any particular acts of vandalism, but to the WP:NPOV and WP:COI policies that may have been violated by one or more single-purpose accounts that have edited this article. --Dodi 8238 (talk) 08:34, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I explained to Shritwod on numerous occasions that I have no affiliation with this company. I took an interest in NQ a couple years ago because it's a software company in China. I happen to be a programmer so I know a little bit about the stuff. When I found this article it was sorely lacking and I discovered that anyone could contribute. I found it fun although it's worn off a bit I still like to contribute when I can. Rgeurts (talk) 16:30, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


 * It could be that a lot of the peacock terms and promotional tone that you introduced into the article was a result of you copy-pasting text from the company's own publications, not knowing that Wikipedia contributors shouldn't copy text from other sources. The fact that one shouldn't copy text from other sources is obvious to editors who have been here a long time, and that is most likely why they interpreted your editing as being purposefully promotional. It takes practice to write from a neutral point of view. --Dodi 8238 (talk) 08:22, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Automatic archiving
I don't think that the automatic archiving of the discussions on this talk page is necessary. For one, the talk page is not even close to being 75 KB. In addition, there are topics that still haven't been addressed here or in the article, such as the 2013 stock crash and lawsuits and the lead section's wording. --Dodi 8238 (talk) 11:09, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Dodi,


 * First off, thanks for helping. This is my first article and I'm still learning. I tried to begin a new topic as the ones here are all old and have been covered. I've been meaning to work on the article as there have been a lot of changes since year. Anyway, the company does a lot and phones are just the tip of the iceberg. For instance, they are into advertising and games. They recently invested in a new type of social media entertainment that is popular in China. They also resell devices as well as manage them for enterprises. The list goes on and on. Here is a link to some of the more popular businesses. http://ir.nq.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=243152&p=irol-products Rgeurts (talk) 05:36, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


 * What do any of these things have to do with the automatic archiving of the discussions on this talk page? Please, keep discussions focused. --Dodi 8238 (talk) 10:04, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


 * What I was trying to say is that these old discussions are distracting from what I was trying to accomplish which was to work on what the company is doing currently. That is why I removed them originally but as you pointed out that is not the correct protocol. I'd created a new discussion section but it got lost in the edits. It's ok. Thanks for teaching me. I can see you are a good editor and I'm learning a lot by looking at the syntax in your edits. My day job is computer programmer so learning how to use this website is fun to me. Rgeurts (talk) 15:11, 27 January 2016 (UTC)