Talk:Lion Air

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Blacklist
I think it should be mentioned that Lion Air (as all Indonesian airlines) is blacklisted in the EU (I can only state the German wikipedia as a reference now). --124.66.154.46 (talk) 06:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have added a comment and link to the banned airlines article. MilborneOne (talk) 12:14, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Section Removed.
I have removed the blow from the main article. It isnt needed, most of it isnt notable and bullet points are not the best way to present them. --JetBlast (talk) 12:33, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * On 26 May 2005, Lion Air signed a preliminary agreement with Boeing for the purchase of up to 60 Next Generation Boeing 737 aircraft, valued at $3.9 billion by list price. These would replace the current fleet and provide for further expansion. Subsequently in July 2005, Lion Air confirmed a contract for 30 Boeing 737-900ERs, with options for another 30. It can carry up to 215 passengers in a single-class layout, and is powered by CFM56-7B26 turbofan engines.
 * On 17 July 2006, Lion Air announced that it had converted options for another 30 Boeing 737-900ERs into firm orders (now total of 60 aircraft on order), with deliveries commencing early 2010 through to 2012.
 * On 27 April 2007, Boeing delivered the first Boeing 737-900ER to launch customer Lion Air. The aircraft was delivered in a special dual-paint scheme that combines Lion Air's trademark lion on its vertical stabilizer and the Boeing "Dreamliner" livery colors on the fuselage.
 * On 18 June 2007, Lion Air announced at the Paris Air Show orders for an additional 40 737-900ER planes bringing its orders to 100.
 * On 4 December 2007, Lion Air announced an additional order of 22 737-900ERs, bringing the total order to 122.
 * On 19 February 2008, during the 2008 Singapore Airshow, Lion Air added 56 of the 737-900ERs, increasing the order to 178 planes.
 * On 19 November 2008, Lion Air signed a Memorandum of Understanding for 10 new ATR72-500 aircraft plus 10 options, with the aircraft designated to be operated by Wings Air. The new aircraft began delivering in 2009.
 * Lion Air was one of the first seven airlines to incorporate the new 737 Boeing Sky Interior starting in early 2011. The interior features LED overhead lighting, redesigned interior, and new luggage bins.

I have re-added some of it to the article, such as the info about them being the launch customer for the 737-900ER. But it still needs to be sourced. &mdash;Comp dude 123 01:40, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Retired B737-900ER planes
The article mentions that 4 planes of this type are retired. This makes no sense for these new planes. Can anyone support this claim with a reference? If not supported I will delete this part in the article. Thanks --Shorty23sin (talk) 07:43, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Those four planes were apparently leased from GECAS and were returned to the lessor, according to Planespotters.net. Even so, an aircraft shouldn't be listed in the retired fleet list unless all aircraft of that type have been retired.  Of course that's not the case with 737-900ERs, so I removed it.  &mdash;Comp dude 123 02:17, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Accidents and Incidents disappeared
Seems someone deleted at least 6 of the incidents in the last 12 month. I will edit the accident section and put the ones which were deleted back in. This is important information about the airline. --Shorty23sin (talk) 04:55, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I may have removed them because they did not comply with WP:AIRCRASH. All incidents added to any article should comply with those guidelines, otherwise airline articles would have a bunch of minor, unimportant incidents that nobody would care about anyway.  &mdash;Comp dude 123 05:05, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Someone put an incomplete template in that section, but I removed it because the page has all the incidents that comply with the WP:AIRCRASH guidelines. &mdash;Comp dude 123 16:51, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Overran or missed the runway?
About the crash-landing on 13 April 2013: The cited references at bbc says: "It missed the runway by about 50m (yards) and landed in the ocean nearby." And the Aviation Herald writes "came to a stop in the sea short of the runway". So it seems to me that the plane didn't touch the runway at all. Has anybody a reference that says that the plane overran the runway? The Aviation Herald also calls the flight JT-904. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.65.126.7 (talk) 13:44, 13 April 2013 (UTC)


 * It did not overrun the runway. It was ditched approximately here.Zoef1234 (talk) 20:04, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Is it a low-cost carrier?
I suspect it is a low-cost carrier. Is it? Please correct me by writing on my talk page if I'm wrong.Maodi xn (talk) 13:17, 14 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Indeed it is. However, Lion Group is also operating a full service airline called Batik Air. This included the Batik Air Malaysia (The name is Malindo Air when you commented this). Batik Air and Batik Air Malaysia is already existed when you're adding the comment. BroBro1222 (talk) 12:57, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

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Order
Where did the massive A320 order go? It no longer shows it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.81.123.120 (talk) 07:20, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Confusing! Airbus lists the order as one of Lion Air, while Wikipedia hat assigned it to the subsidiary Batik Air. --2A02:810D:2440:10B8:D71:A695:66D:9712 (talk) 09:15, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 April 2023
Fleet table is outdated so I have to edit with new information. AdamsGander1807 (talk) 09:28, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. a! rado🦈 (C✙T) 11:34, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

MAX 9
Can someone change the quantity from 1 to 2 for the 737 MAX 9 at the fleet section? Because Lion Air is now operating 2 MAX 9s now. (PK-LRF & PK-LRI) BroBro1222 (talk) 10:08, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Heart  (talk) 10:12, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/pk-lrf & https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/pk-lri May support the request. BroBro1222 (talk) 10:16, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Those are primary sources / original research; a reliable source would be secondary, e.g. a newspaper article about the second MAX9 in the fleet. Actualcpscm (talk) 12:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)