Talk:Lionel Bastos

Leonel Bastos
I stand by my edits, and restore them, along with the MySpace link in the 'External links' section. It's widely used and accepted. I do agree with you about the 'Orphan' tag. It was an inadvertent mistake. (I have to start using my glasses.) In May 2010, Bastos and radio host Doug Anderson, besides a number of South African artists, gave a concert to benefit victims of the 2010 Haiti earthquake, at the Baxter Concert Hall in Cape Town.[4] '''In May 2010, South African's prominent musicians, spearheaded by Bastos, along side radio host Doug Anderson, gave a joint concert for the Caribbean nation, Haiti, devastated by the earthquake that killed 230.000 people in January 2010. This fund-raising event was held at the Baxter Concert Hall in Cape Town.'''
 * You changed my wording to this:
 * My wording was this:

Please compare.

1 - Radio host Doug Anderson did not give concert. All others did. He, and Bastos were the initiators. Your edit gives the impression of, that Doug Anderson played too, which he did not. On the news article, it's being clearly indicated who did what. If you look closely, there are 16 names on the poster. All musicians. Do you see Doug Anderson's name on the poster? Of course not.

He is a radio host, a presenter. He initiated the event along with Bastos.

Actually, I liked better the last part of your wording. So I mixed yours and mine:

In May 2010, some of the South African's prominent musicians, spearheaded by Bastos, along side radio host Doug Anderson, gave a joint concert to benefit the victims of the 2010 Haiti earthquake, at the Baxter Concert Hall in Cape Town.

2 - Prominent→ In the article it says:

"Spearheaded by radio presenter Doug Anderson, musician Lionel Bastos, and Madelaine Steyn, the M.A.D. 4 Haiti concert will feature a selection of the country’s premier artists..."

I used prominent instead of premier. It is not the word of Bastos', it's the word of the journalist who wrote that very article. The source says premier, I say prominent. So, it's perfectly legitimate to use it.

3 - In terms of rewrite; it's a matter of opinion, (taste.)

You said in your edit summary "Non-notable quote."
 * Said about (New section)

With all respect, I differ. Non-notable to whom?

If subjects won SAMA award for his album, (I finally encountered a source today, confirms that,) then, this review is in the line with him winning SAMA's Best Adult Contemporary Album award, which is notable. It's, again, perfectly legitimate to use it. One of the subject's albums was reviewed, and the reviewer used these praising words. With this in mind, the subject's entitled to have it in his article. You can find this practice in many, if not all other articles, whose subjects are musicians or artists. Bastos had produced and written for top South African artists, among others, Yvonne Chaka-Chaka, Vicky Sampson, Little Sister, Wendy Oldfield, and Ed Jordan. He has co-produced and co-written the songs on the official South African Football Association 1998 FIFA World Cup CD.
 * I agree with you, that you removed this text:

I'll look for a source which might confirm, that he had indeed produced and written for top South African artists. "...where are his birthplace and date verified?"
 * - Four-years-old 'BLP sources' tag's not needed anymore. Yesterday, I did a good job finding sources and improving the article.
 * - You wrote in your edit summary:

I'm puzzled. I was not aware of, that the birthdate and place verification of the subject, (or any other subject,) was obligatory.

Wasn't that so, that the death of the subject should be verified? Here is the website I found, mentions his birthplace. Subject's name is not Leonel Bastos, rather Lionel Bastos. The editor who created this very article chose a wrong name. Although 'Leonel' is the same thing in Portuguese, he never uses that, as far as I'm concern. Please see for yourself. Lionel Bastos I think the name should be changed. Thanks and cheers. Fusion Is the  Future  13:20, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * - Finally and most importantly.
 * Oh, these comments were directed at me? This talk page section is highly unclear and I'll address what I can figure out. I have no beef with a name change--if you have a source, use it and move the article. Of course a date of birth and a place of birth need verification: they are essential to any BLP, if only to verify that the subject is not dead, for instance. So the BLP sources tag is perfectly warranted. As for the non-notable quote--that's non-notable to me, yes, and more than likely to a ton of others, given that such sections do not appear in most other articles here, certainly not at this length, despite your claim to the contrary. It's hardly the King of Pop or the UN Secretary-General who said it. As a reference it works fine, but the quote is simply filler. Please don't hide unverified information in the article: it's there in the history, or you can stick it on the talk page, but hidden stuff just makes editing more difficult. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 15:45, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Drmies, please do remain civil with me.

Your latest edit is not accurate.

→ "Bastos and radio host Doug Anderson, besides a number of South African artists, organized a concert..."

This wording tells us that "a number of South African artists" organized the said concert too, which they did not. Only Bastos and presenter Doug Anderson organized the event, (with a third person,) and all these artists performed at the event, and Bastos played too. His name is on the poster. Please correct it.

Question: Why did you insert BLP sources again? Cheers and thank you. Fusion Is the  Future  17:32, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * As I said above, "Of course a date of birth and a place of birth need verification: they are essential to any BLP, if only to verify that the subject is not dead, for instance. So the BLP sources tag is perfectly warranted." Look at the name issue, for instance. I've moved the article to the name that you say is correct (I have no opinion and don't really care; that blog and its poster have it with an 'i', so there you go). What you say in your last paragraph, you could have simply edited that. Part of my edit summary here ("oh, the blog says bastos DID perform there") is redundant, I see now--but I find it very difficult to read your commentary, with all those short paragraphs and bullet points. Convention has it that we indent to make clear what is a response to what. I think we're done here, but I encourage you to continue adding sourced material to the article. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 19:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)