Talk:Lionel Messi/Archive 17

2008 Men's Olympic Gold medal with Argentina
We should add his trophy among his honors at Beijing Olympics in 2008. Arda Sorguç (talk) 01:13, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you'll find it's a team trophy, not his trophy. In any event, source please. Britmax (talk) 13:28, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Response: I agree that Messi should have his Gold medal at the Football at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's tournament – Final listed within the Honours - Individual listing/paragraph

quotebox goalposts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1026193534?diffmode=source

First the revert was because the quote was out of sync. When pointed out it wasn't, then it was about there being too many quoteboxes on the page. This kind of silly logic is tiring.

Cite violation of Wikipedia policies or quit incessantly reverting the quotebox with made-up reasons, please. Vilanova was probably more important to Messi's development than any of the current quoteboxes from folks who haven't even managed him.

2 cents from a newb editor: I think, a better strategy might be to see where the edits (in this case, you could have moved the quotebox to 'Early career' section) could fit instead of deleting them. Murtaza.aliakbar (talk) 22:41, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2021
It is stated that messi is an argentinian footballer but he was granted spanish citizenship in 2005 and la liga has affirmed his dual citizenship in order for him to play in barcelona without the club exceeding the 3 maximum foreign players policy, he should be known as a argentenian-spanish footballer 149.109.116.185 (talk) 12:41, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Run n Fly (talk) 16:13, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Messi's Italian, Catalan (Spanish), and Argentinian (by birth): https://archive.is/c0hA0 Murtaza.aliakbar (talk) 22:46, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

His official name "Lionel Andrés" and his "real/popular" name as "Leo"
His birth name is Lionel Andrés Messi but the name among family, friends, soccer in Spain and Argentina and the rest of the Spanish-speaking world is "Leo". Lionel is the formal, official name. Attached is the FC Barcelona file in his biography he is called "Leo Messi". He is also called this way by journalists and during the transmission of the matches.--SouthernP (talk) 10:21, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

photo
Could you change this "funny" photo? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Campió99 (talk • contribs) 19:35, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Article split
As per the article size editing guidelines, I think it would be worth splitting the international section into its' own article. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 20:57, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2021
In the intro, change 2018-2021 to 2018–2021. 73.162.91.15 (talk) 00:42, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * done FMSky (talk) 05:38, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2021
The 2021 Copa America Winners line be shifted below the 2019 Copa America 3rd place in the opening info list to provide chronological clarity 2409:4060:2091:841D:583D:14A3:D34D:41A (talk) 06:40, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done It appears the 2019 Copa section already precedes the 2021 Copa section to maintain chronlogical order. –– F ORMAL D UDE ( talk ) 03:58, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Messi status
Lionel Messi is considered by the majority of footballers, coaches, pundits, journalists and of course fans as THE BEST player EVER. Not "one of the best" - nobody talks like this anymore. Here you have SOME of the examples:





































































In the past there was a debate "Messi or Maradona or Pele?" but now there is not such debate. There is a general agreement that Leo is the greatest of all time. Campió99 (talk) 23:03, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * i can quite easily list the same amount of sources declaring maradona, pele or c. ronaldo as the goat. FMSky (talk) 17:07, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * actually, FIFA officially labeled pele the greatest ever (https://web.archive.org/web/20210109195631/https://www.fifa.com/news/pele-the-greatest-them-all-1656982), so yeah, there's that. FMSky (talk) 17:17, 14 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Messi’s status is not cut and dried. Personally, he’s the most gifted player I’ve seen in 25 years watching the sport. His ball control is second to none. The second most naturally gifted would be Ronaldo (Brazilian) whose ball control only Messi surpassed while he had more moves in his locker than anyone. The third I would find it harder to determine. Cristiano Ronaldo is certainly the most driven player I’ve seen which, combined with his unmatched athleticism as well as his volume (and range) of goalscoring, would probably edge him over the more technically gifted Ronaldinho who downed tools halfway through his career. For natural talent it’s Messi followed by Ronaldo, for efficiency it’s Cristiano. Nampa DC (talk) 16:36, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure and i agree with everything you said, but since it isnt completely clear, we should leave the sentence as "one of the greatest"--- FMSky (talk) 08:33, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Anyone resisting such evidence of Messi's status in the sport is clearly in utter denial. Cristiano Ronaldo has been largely out of the conversation (outside of his fanbase and affiliates) since 2016/2017, arguably longer going by polls alone, and there are other players of at least equal longevity (e.g. Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Totti, Xavi, Modric) and similar athleticism (Adama Traore, Ibrahimovic (again), Ramos) who do not receive such accolades. I'd advise Nampa DC (talk) and FMSky (talk) to reflect on this study: https://www.givemesport.com/1711958-ronaldo-messi-pele-online-study-reveals-who-fans-consider-to-be-the-goat. Note that Messi does not even use the platform... Fateful apparition (talk) 12:47, 16 July 2021 (UTC) strike sock comment--  Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 16:15, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * disagree, and what you are doing right now is edit warring. it has been told numerous times that you should get a consunsus before changing the wording of the sentence that was been like this for a number of years- FMSky (talk) 13:12, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * read before changing again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cristiano_Ronaldo/Archive_14#Final_Resolution,_I'm_the_original_writer:_%22Often_considered_the_best_player_in_the_world_and_regarded_by_many_as_the_greatest_of_all_time%22
 * FMSky are you even watch football matches? I mean regularly? And show me "the same amount of sources declaring maradona, pele or c. ronaldo as the goat." It will be very difficult to find them. You mentioned a discussion from 2018 - do you know that in football 3 years is a very, very long time, don't you? Since 2018 for example Cristiano's form has been decreasing, he's not at the same level anymore (but of course he has never been at Messi's level). And that Pele article? It's from 2012 and I consider it as a joke from you. Campió99 (talk) 12:42, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * completely irrelevant as we are talking best ever and not currently FMSky (talk) 12:58, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * FMSky We aren't talking the best ever. We are talking about opinions. It's a fact that there are many many many opinions that Messi is the best ever. I gave you about 30 urls but I can give you much more. Campió99 (talk) 17:29, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * FIND👏A👏NEW👏CONSENSUS👏BEFORE👏CHANGING FMSky (talk) 18:04, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * "do you know that in football 3 years is a very, very long time, don't you?" Well, the Football League is over a century old, so no. Even the Premier League will be ten times that old next year. With every generation of footballer playing in a different environment, how would there ever be a GOAT anyway? Meaningless silver paper wrapped commercial concept for readers and clicks. Britmax (talk) 12:56, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Britmax So? I gave you many examples of statements that Messi in someone's opinion is the greatest. I don't care if he REALLY is the GOAT because you know what? We cannot prove it. It is impossible to prove. But I just want (and I believe it is necessary) to add a note on Messi Wikipage that "he is often considered the best player ever" because it's TRUE. And there are no more players all over the world who are considered the best ever so often. Campió99 (talk) 17:25, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Another part of statements calling Lionel Messi the greatest player of all time is here: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Lionel_Messi Campió99 (talk) 17:58, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

--- just for the record. out of the first 20 or so resuls, 15 had maradona at No. 1: https://www.google.com/search?q=best+footballers+ever+ranking&source=hp&ei=Oob0YPHjKsbwkgXbvYGICA&iflsig=AINFCbYAAAAAYPSUSlHccTwJ4FLxXmkt2YH5j9dJyP-0&oq=best+footballers+ever+ranking&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBAgAEBMyCAgAEBYQHhATMggIABAWEB4QEzIICAAQFhAeEBMyCAgAEBYQHhATMggIABAWEB4QEzIICAAQFhAeEBMyCAgAEBYQHhATMggIABAWEB4QEzoICAAQsQMQgwE6CAguELEDEIMBOgUILhCxAzoOCC4QsQMQgwEQxwEQowI6AggAOgUIABCxAzoLCC4QsQMQgwEQkwI6BAgAEAM6CwguELEDEMcBEKMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQrwE6BggAEBYQHjoGCAAQDRAeUOYBWPIdYJEeaABwAHgBgAH0AYgBhRaSAQYxOS44LjGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwjx6LSpsu3xAhVGuKQKHdteAIEQ4dUDCAg&uact=5 FMSky (talk) 19:59, 18 July 2021 (UTC) *https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news-top-10s-legends-the-50-greatest-footballers-of-all-time-have-been-named-and-ranked-20210422 FMSky (talk) 20:02, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * https://www.si.com/soccer/2019/05/21/50-greatest-footballers-all-time
 * https://www.thecable.ng/why-maradona-is-footballs-goat
 * https://www.fotmob.com/news/eoi2hjdrkdmt1kui2ti87mmbf/cannavaro-maradona-the-goat-not-messi
 * https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-11-25/why-maradona-was-better-than-ronaldo-and-messi
 * https://www.givemesport.com/1680262-messi-ronaldo-pele-the-50-greatest-footballers-of-all-time-have-been-ranked
 * https://www.90min.com/posts/6367400-the-50-greatest-footballers-of-all-time
 * https://www.fourfourtwo.com/gallery/50-greatest-footballers-all-time
 * https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/greatest-footballers-all-time-maradona-23072729
 * https://7upsports.com/greatest-footballers-all-time/
 * https://ronaldo.com/football-news/greatest-footballers-of-all-time/
 * https://dailypost.ng/2021/04/24/50-greatest-footballers-of-all-time-ranked-messi-3rd-ronaldo-6th-full-list/
 * https://footballpink.net/50-greatest-footballers-to-have-ever-existed/

Authority Control template (external links)
I just saw on Messi's Wikipedia page that the authority control template in the external links section is not shown in a bar like the other pages. Is there a glitch? 2001:569:78BA:4A00:9C0A:BD26:1DE5:A074 (talk) 17:55, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It's to do with the NavBoxes. For whatever reason they're causing it to not render properly. Will have to raise it with the AC team as I can't figure out how to fix it without removing the NavBox dialogue. Koncorde (talk) 18:35, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2021
My name is Jeff. I would like to edit this because I would like to add more detail 203.206.87.25 (talk) 11:23, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Full-protection-shackle-no-text.svg Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:30, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Messi is not bercelona.player
119.30.39.36 (talk) 06:11, 6 August 2021 (UTC) ❌ - the article does not say that he "is" a Barcelona player. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:06, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Free Agency
Is the description of him as no longer being with Barcelona accurate? I know he's out of contract, but Barcelona's website still says he's their player (https://www.fcbarcelona.com/en/football/first-team/players/4974/lionel-messi). Is there any indication they no longer hold his registration, even if he's free to go? Rambo Apocalypse (talk) 01:25, 6 July 2021 (UTC)


 * As of them, he was still their player in list of current squad since no any clubs that had offer him contact and he accepted but as of 5 August 2021, he is no more in website only if it has not been updated. Nigerlite (talk) 15:47, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Most-Liked Instagram Sports Post
I think something about the photo of Lionel Messi with the Copa America trophy posted on 11 July 2021 that is currently the sixth most-liked Instagram post should be added to this page. --Gyofh (talk) 09:21, 18 July 2021 (UTC)


 * No, not necessary. Nigerlite (talk) 15:49, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Change of labels please
Hi, I would like to edit the team honours part which says Argentina u23 - Summer Olympics: 2008 to simply Argentina - Summer Olympics: 2008 Since the olympic tournament isn't only u-23 players, there are 3 players of unlimited age eligible to play, according to the olympics themselves in this article https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/en/sports/football/. And since in other pages such as these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Rom%C3%A1n_Riquelme https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay-Jay_Okocha#International_2 the honours section of their pages clearly label Summer Olympics as part of their senior national team achievements. In order to clear the confusion, I hope to make this change. Thank you Danny2547 (talk) 05:38, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The Olympic teams are officially under-23 teams. We are well aware that three overage players are allowed, but by specifying that those players are exceptions, you prove the fact that those teams are predominantly under-23s. – PeeJay 12:54, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

New Club?
Khalifa bin Hamad just tweeted that Messi is now hired by PSG, just awaiting an announcement. Khalifa is the brother of Tamim (owner of PSG). Will it be appropriate to change the club of Leo Messi in the article as it is confirmed by Qatar?
 * ❌ - It's not official yet and if it's confirmed by Qatar, it still won't be official yet —SoonerFan4life67 (talk) 0:30, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Memelenme fc Mamol98 (talk) 14:46, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Mezelenme Fc Mamol98 (talk) 14:49, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2021
Please add the template before the infobox, at the beginning of the article. This transaction is his transfer to Paris Saint-Germain. It is on Romelu Lukaku's article, as he is rumored to be moving to Chelsea. 73.162.91.15 (talk) 16:31, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:39, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2021 (2)
Spelling error. Copa del Ray must be changed to Copa del Rey. Aodv (talk) 23:02, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * done --FMSky (talk) 23:05, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Adding the Extended-Confirmed Protection
Hi, i'm suggesting that we should put the Extended-Confirmed Protection on the Lionel Messi page till he's officially with Paris Saint Germain, thanks —SoonerFan4life67 (talk) 19:39, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * have requested one here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Lionel_Messi --FMSky (talk) 20:03, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

I feel like indefinite extended-confirmed protection would be too excessive, and should probably return back to normal semi-protection once he's with Paris Saint Germain 2001:569:78BA:4A00:E804:ABBD:3B92:EAFD (talk) 06:14, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Psg?
Reports are saying that Argentinian legend is going to join PSG for a two or three years contract. PTSYANGFERG (talk) 10:36, 7 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Not confirmed officially as anything can change from transfer news. Nigerlite (talk) 15:52, 7 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, not official yet. But if you see recent magazines and news, there is a good chance that Lionel Messi's next club is PSG. PTSYANGFERG (talk) 11:27, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you think you're seeing different news to the rest of us? We're all aware that talks are happening between Messi and PSG, but until he signs the contract and is presented as a PSG player, it's irrelevant to this article. – PeeJay 14:46, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Official news: Lionel Messi is going to P.S.G. PTSYANGFERG (talk) 09:29, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 August 2021
"...is an Argentine professional footballer who plays as a forward for Ligue 1 club Paris Saint-Germain"

Messi is signed to play as forward for PSG. He does not yet play for PSG yet. Your description that he plays as a forward for PSG is therefore inaccurate. The above quote should be rendered as follows:

"...is an Argentine professional footballer who's signed to play as a forward for Ligue 1 club Paris Saint-Germain" Fredidifredondo (talk) 23:05, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: He is a player for the team, so the current wording is fine. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:48, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Category additions
Surely the categories at the bottom should include Spanish Criminals/Spanish Fraudsters and Argentine Criminals/Argentine Fradusters. He was found guilty by a Spanish court of fraud and sentenced to a 21 month prison sentence, which was then changed to a fine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.175.253.151 (talk) 04:39, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * He's already included under Category:People convicted of tax crimes, so we need to do anything here. On the other hand, Beckham law could probably use some expanding and include mentions of Messi and Jorge Mendes clients who have been convicted of tax evasion. Ytoyoda (talk) 12:54, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 August 2021
I think you should update Leo Messi picture to a recent picture of him at PSG maybe a press conference photo? 92.233.136.51 (talk) 12:25, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: We can't use copyrighted pictures. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:43, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 August 2021
103.95.98.42 (talk) 08:53, 16 August 2021 (UTC) He is considered as greatest Laliga player of all time.
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:08, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 August 2021 (2)
Often considered as greatest player of Laliga 103.95.98.42 (talk) 08:18, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Sirdog9002 (talk) 08:22, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 August 2021
Hey, I want to edit the Summer Olympics: 2008 in the International Honours Section from Argentina U23 to simply Argentina since I have now found evidence that Olympic games are indeed a SENIOR INTERNATIONAL TOURNAMENT. So a little bit of background story, Fifa posted this tweet about Pierre Andre Gignac scoring in the Olympics and declared it "his first goal at a senior international tournament", so by logic, football in the olympics are considered a SENIOR international title according to Fifa.

Tweet link: https://twitter.com/FIFAcom/status/1418144810003623936.

Thank you, hope my evidence from FIFA themselves is concrete enough. 1:35pm, 17/8/2021 Danny2547 (talk) 06:36, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:48, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Please change Summer Olympics: 2008 from Argentina u23 to Argentina.

The evidence is given via this tweet: https://twitter.com/FIFAcom/status/1418144810003623936. FIFA said "....first goal at a senior international tournament"