Talk:Lionel Messi/Archive 18

Sudden content removal by User:ItsKesha
Hi everyone. I just want to let it known that User:ItsKesha has removed approximately 30,000 bytes of content from this article in the last two weeks alone, all the while without adding a single byte of content. How is this possible, and shouldn't this user be reprimanded for this? Paulinho28 (talk) 11:30, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * There's nothing wrong with removing content, per se. In fact, editing down long articles is often welcomed and we expect users to be WP:BOLD when editing. Plus, we don't "reprimand" users. Administrative actions against editors are preventative, not punitive.
 * That said, we should follow the WP:BRD cycle and discuss edits we don't agree with., Which specific edits do you have issues with, and how could they be better? Ytoyoda (talk) 11:48, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I take a strong issue with the awards section. How come there are now only 9 individual awards listed? ItsKesha mentions in the comments for his edits that he "was removing non-key awards". My question is: Who decided which awards are "non-key" and should be left out, especially considering that this section has included for a long time all the awards won by Messi? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulinho28 (talk • contribs) 12:10, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I think the complicating issue is that we have List of career achievements by Lionel Messi that can capture anything that's non-major so we do need to come to a consensus on what is important. I think this edit is fine, since it's media or IFFHS awards. There's room for debate on this one that removes tournament awards. From that edit, I'd lean towards restoring the Copa America awards, but removing the UEFA awards, since Balon d'Or is arguably more prestigious. Ytoyoda (talk) 12:32, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 September 2021
I want to change photo of Messi 103.95.98.42 (talk) 06:05, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you. — IVORK Talk 06:39, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 September 2021
Anik Chowdhury 22 (talk) 05:56, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

I want to edit page Anik Chowdhury 22 (talk) 05:57, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. (pinging ) — LauritzT (talk) 11:22, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

euros and pounds?
why was the auction amount (for his shoes) given in pounds, when it was on the continent?--142.163.194.161 (talk) 19:50, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Did you look at the source? What currency is the amount given in there? – PeeJay 20:00, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, it looks like the sale was conducted by a British auction house, so the sale figure likely came from a British press release. Ytoyoda (talk) 16:53, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

A small correction under "career statistics"
Just a quick one it says under "total" for Barcelona B team 32 games but it is 22 games and 6 goals and not 11 so exclude the Barca C team i think.


 * Bakermannn (talk) 01:40, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Goals at PSG?
Messi has now had 4 starts and scored 1 goal for PSG. Why is this not updated as it’s been over 2 days? TruthGiant284 (talk) 23:15, 29 September 2021 (UTC)


 * You’ll see that his appearances and goals are up to date as of September 28th. The infobox does not show his Champions League goal for PSG because it only shows domestic league stats. Ytoyoda (talk) 03:07, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 October 2021
Messi has 4 appearances for PSG and 1 goal, please edit it 103.149.147.9 (talk) 08:39, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * league games only FMSky (talk) 08:51, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 October 2021
Messi should have 1 goal for PSG 2603:8080:1405:7B30:E51F:95A0:A927:37BA (talk) 15:25, 7 October 2021 (UTC)


 * ❌ Yes, and that's reflected in the stats section. The infobox only shows domestic league appearances and goals. Please look at the prior discussions because this is literally discussed in two requests directly above yours. Ytoyoda (talk) 15:33, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 October 2021
Quite simply, Messi has 1 goal from 5 games with PSG, not 0 goals from 3 games. That's only his stats in the league, but he has 1 goal from 2 games in the Champions League with PSG. 101.117.37.139 (talk) 14:16, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Also, see discussion in the above sections about this. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:25, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 October 2021 (2)
In Paris Saint Germain team Lionel Messi have 1 no. Of goal while in the page it is written as 0. So its an ernest request to change the number from 0 to 1. Mr A.Chandra (talk) 16:50, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * ❌ This request has been made and denied several times already. Please read past discussions for an explanation. Thanks. Ytoyoda (talk) 16:52, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok Mr A.Chandra (talk) 14:44, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 October 2021
Messi has scored three goals for PSG already and it has not yet been updated in the image box. Please make sure that it gets done WikiMan2k3 (talk) 07:02, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * ❌ Please see the responses to the last several requests on why this edit will not be made. Ytoyoda (talk) 10:54, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 October 2021
Paris Saint German match played 4 and 1 Goal. 1 Goal not updated Leogeorge08 (talk) 05:58, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * He hasn't scored in the league. – PeeJay 08:30, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 November 2021
Messi has scored 3 goals for PSG, not 0 194.66.246.2 (talk) 21:59, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * In what competitions? If not league goals, see replies above.Britmax (talk) 22:12, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: See the frequent discussion about this ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:40, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 November 2021
41.115.30.230 (talk) 18:46, 4 November 2021 (UTC) Messi has scored 1 goal for PSG. Please add that in
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:57, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 November 2021
Messi scored 3 goals for PSG. Aanu30 (talk) 20:41, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Please clearly describe the edit you want to see made. If you're asking why the infobox shows 0 goals with PSG, you can see the many comments above yours. Ytoyoda (talk) 20:47, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

What is his religion ?
I don't understand if he is a jewsh or christian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.237.160.173 (talk) 21:14, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Messi goal no. Is wrong
You should add champios league matches and goals of messi in the psg table 2401:4900:613B:ED9D:E89A:4A59:4F23:63F6 (talk) 05:41, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * league only --FMSky (talk) 07:26, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 December 2021
Now that Messi fullfiled Cruyff's prediction back in 2012 when he had two ballons d'or, I thought this quote could be included beside the "Honours/Individual" section or under current season at PSG, to enhance his career timeline and how he came to grow as a player, reaching an expected level of his potential by such a football icon:

"Messi will be the player with the most Ballons d'Or in history. He will win five, six or seven." — Johan Cruyff in 2012 predicting Messi to reach a record seventh Ballon d'Or.

Refs:

https://www.ole.com.ar/futbol-internacional/messi-jugador-balones-gane-historia_0_ryIZy1fgsnl.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomsanderson/2019/12/03/only-messi-is-better-than-messi-how-the-spanish-press-reacted-to-barcelonas-star-ballon-dor/?sh=6de901b5de56

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3277/la-liga/2012/01/08/2837195/johan-cruyff-tips-barcelonas-lionel-messi-to-win-several Karim3adel (talk) 07:27, 1 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Karim3adel Please provide a specific area/section that you want this quote to be included in. Dswitz10734 (talk) 14:37, 1 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I provided a specific section; beside his Individual Honours. Karim3adel (talk) 15:58, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. That's not really an award or honor. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Quotes are quotes, obviously not awards. Knew it. But it might be used "beside" awards in an article about a player to emphasize how he fullfiled such prediction based on his potential in 2012. But yes, just like his Ballon d'Or picture in the same section, pics are not awards too, are they? No need to establish anything. Thanks for your suggestion. Karim3adel (talk) 03:44, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Goal for PSG
Why champions league goals are not counted? 223.223.142.101 (talk) 19:16, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 December 2021
In the summary section, Messi's appearance and goal count seems to be incorrect and accounts for only Ligue 1. For PSG, Messi has appeared in 14 matches across Ligue 1 and UEFA Champions League and has scored 5 goals in 14 matches. Srijan Dutta 09:57, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:05, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 December 2021 (2)
The statistics for Messi are not updated on the initial page (with his picture, date of birth, and whatnot). Change Paris Saint-Germain 9 (1) to Paris Saint-German 14 (6). Madhavkacker15 (talk) 12:41, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * This was addressed in the thread directly above this one. The info doesn't need to be changed as the infobox only counts league appearances and goals (this is explicitly mentioned in the box itself, so I don't know why people keep getting it wrong). – PeeJay 13:29, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 February 2022
The best player ever 217.165.23.19 (talk) 06:13, 25 February 2022 (UTC)


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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 February 2022
Please change "one of the greatest players" to "one of the greatest SYSTEM players". He obviously isn't great at all outside the Barca system, and the text should reflect that 188.192.229.13 (talk) 12:50, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:58, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Edit request
Hello. Please add the awards below to the individual honours section, because they are very important and prestigious: – Copa America Best Player: 2015, 2021 – Copa America Top Goalscorer: 2021 – UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2009 – The Best UEFA Men's Player: 2011, 2015 – IFFHS World's Best Playmaker: 2015, 2016, 2017, 2019 – UEFA Champions League Top Goalscorer: 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11, 2011–12, 2014–15, 2018–19 – FIFA Club World Cup Best Player: 2009, 2011 10Blaugrana10 (talk) 03:04, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 February 2022
Hello. Please add the awards below to the individual honours section, because they are very important and prestigious: Copa America Best Player: 2015, 2021 Copa America Top Goalscorer: 2021 UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2009 The Best UEFA Men's Player: 2011, 2015 IFFHS World's Best Playmaker: 2015, 2016, 2017, 2019 UEFA Champions League Top Goalscorer: 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11, 2011–12, 2014–15, 2018–19 FIFA Club World Cup Best Player: 2009, 2011 10Blaugrana10 (talk) 03:03, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. casualdejekyll  04:14, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Trophy without playing
There has been a debate about Ronaldo ( Talk:Cristiano Ronaldo ), which has now spilled over to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football, in which I have mentioned the Messi article in regard to trophies versus appearances debate. It would be greatly appreciated if you elaborated your method of choice and talked about this issue in favour of giving a player an honour despite not playing e.g. 2006 UCL Final. Cltjames (talk) 13:51, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Messi goal for psg
Messi had scored in champion league 5 for PSG and 2 for ligue1 so correct it 103.155.223.163 (talk) 02:46, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Only league goals are listed here. Britmax (talk) 09:31, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Goal count
Messi has not 2 goal for psg he has 7 official goal,5 in ucl and 2 in league 1 Moh sabik (talk) 08:46, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * So you're saying he has two league goals, which is what the infobox is supposed to show? Cool. No need to change anything then. – PeeJay 19:56, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 March 2022
Messi no longer lives in Barcelona, but instead now (presumably) resides in Paris. He is also not a "one-club man" anymore, after leaving Barcelona for Paris Saint-Germain. LomaLopez135 (talk) 21:30, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:55, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 March 2022
Messi is regarded as one of the greatest players in the history of football 36.255.234.56 (talk) 13:04, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 13:44, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 March 2022
88.20.13.89 (talk) 15:42, 29 March 2022 (UTC) mesii gana 10 balones de oro porfi
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:45, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Honors changes
In the honors section the Olympic gold medal should not be listed as the Argentina U23 team, but Argentina Olympic team. The Olympic team is a unique team that is mainly U23 but has the opportunity to field 3 overage players BlackenedTheUSSR (talk) 12:55, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

What else dıd lional messi do good for community
I need information for a task 41.116.245.100 (talk) 14:45, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
 * If it isn't in this article, you could be the one to find it and put it there. While you are at it, learn to spell "Lionel". Britmax (talk) 15:18, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Wrong Career statistic
Under Career statistics, and then under club statistics, the total league goals from Messi has been written 489, whereas it is supposed to be 474 + 4 = 478. This would also change the wrongly added up total Career goals from 689 to 681. Nice page and thank you anyways. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PreyBird101 (talk • contribs) 22:11, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Attacking midfielder as a position
Messi was a renowed forward, but during Guardiola's Barça he played as a false '9' aka attacking midfielder. So I think that in the position part we should put: Forward, attacking midfielder. SpaceCowboy1207 (talk) 20:32, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 May 2022
When speaking about the early life of Messi it is mentioned that he wasn't signed by River Plate because they couldn't afford his medical treatment. This is a mistake, messi clarified in an interview that he was going to be signed but Newell's rejected his transfer to an argentine club. His full statement is in the Spanish version of this article, I can translate it if needed leaving here a full translation to english of that statement

''I was at Newell's and went on trial at River's school in Rosario. One of the boys told me to go and I did so. After that I was taken to Buenos Aires. They were the class of 85, all of them older than me. I played 15 to 20 minutes. They told me to come back in 10 days with those of my age. I came back and score 3 or 4 goals and they told me I had to say, that I had to take transfer documents to them. They were going to pay my treatment. Newell's never supported me in that aspect, never payed for it, mi old woman (his mother) complained about it and it was difficult at the time.My dad was making a big effort to pay for the treatment. At River they asked me to take the documents there and when I went for them to Newell's they told me to fuck off. We fought and fought, but they never gave them to me. After that the thing with Barcelona happened.'' MesopotamicMark (talk) 03:29, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: So, this was a bit of a unique situation. The YouTube video appears to be unavailable and even if it were I would surmise using it as justification for adjusting the reason would be in violation of WP:ABOUTSELF as it involves a claim regarding a party that isn't the subject. Nor could we use the Spanish version of the article as evidence to this per WP:CIRCULAR. However, upon review of the relevant sentence, I saw that it made the claim the reason River Plate declined was due to economic collapse. Neither citation for that sentence made that assertion; only one mentioned the medical treatment at all, and it simply stated that River Plate declined. So, in my capacity as an editor seperate from this request, I've refactored the relevant sentence to simply state that River Plate declined to do so.
 * If you would like the relevant sentence (or anywhere else in the article) to explicitly state that Newell's rejected his transfer to an argentine club you would provide reliable, independent sources to substantiate it and present the exact prose you would like inserted in a new request. Alternatively, you may edit the page yourself upon becoming extended-confirmed. Cheers! — Sirdog (talk) 07:27, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 June 2022 (2)
Add 2005 Supercopa de Espana to honours list. It's listed on FC Barcelona official page, on Messi site and on Transfermarkt. Mateopol (talk) 14:56, 2 June 2022 (UTC)


 * This has been discussed a million times. Messi was not part of the Barcelona first team when they won the 2005 Supercopa; he is no more entitled to that honour than any other of the Barcelona B team members at the time. – PeeJay 00:12, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 June 2022
Add under "Honours"

Finalissima 2022 England|

Eagle Site (talk) 00:10, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ — CAPTAIN JTK (talk) 16:46, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 June 2022
Hello, second place at the 2005 FIFA Confederations Cup should be added in honours with a silver medal.

Wikipediow (talk) 12:27, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * ❌ - Messi was not part of the squad that participated in the competition. — CAPTAIN JTK (talk) 17:03, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 June 2022
Changing age of Messi from 34 to 35 years old  Godson Jr  Here We Go! 21:21, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * this happens automatically --FMSky (talk) 21:25, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 June 2022
I don’t know why in the English version doesn’t appear his second last name, second last name is very common in Latin American countries, that’s why his second last name “Cuccittini” should be added to the English version or any other if it’s not included. 189.172.27.95 (talk) 06:16, 26 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. This sounded almost like a page move request at first glance. Furthermore, the reasoning for the presentation of the name here is explained in a footnote which appears immediately after the name in the first sentence. --N8wilson 06:28, 26 June 2022 (UTC)