Talk:Lionel Messi/Archive 5

Club statistics
I think that the club statistics should includ the goals and Apps in Barcelona B and C as in the case of Pedro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Rodr%C3%ADguez_Ledesma ). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dionisio Siracusa (talk • contribs) 20:58, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 June 2012
Lionel Messi is 5'6.5 inches tall

Haroon94 (talk) 15:51, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.   Mdann52 (talk) 16:25, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Did not understand the difference between score and result
Under sections 5.3.1, 5.3.2, and 5.3.3, the table has two columns 'Score' and 'Result'. Can anyone please explain it to me what they are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Junior Dos Santos Almeida (talk • contribs) 18:15, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Style of play?
Does anyone feel qualified to write a paragraph or two on how Leo Messi plays? Vranak (talk) 19:52, 16 June 2012 (UTC)


 * A "style of play" section is missing in this article. The section should be like the "style of play" section of the Cristiano Ronaldo or Neymar pages. I have some reference someone can use to make a "style of play" section Messi.


 * http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/45843/lionel-messi?cc=5739
 * http://www.click-sports.com/spanish-league/messi-dont-compare-me-with-ronaldo
 * http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/players/cristiano-ronaldo/9274136/Cristiano-Ronaldo-says-comparing-him-with-Lionel-Messi-like-comparing-a-Ferrari-with-a-Porsche.html
 * http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/maradona-perfect-comeback-pele-assertion-neymar-better-messi-082617809.html
 * http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/174/uefa-champions-league/2012/04/02/3009799/ibrahimovic-messi-is-all-talent-while-ronaldo-is-a-product
 * http://www.ronaldo7.net/news/2012/433-pele-we-cant-compare-messi-and-ronaldo-they-got-different-styles.html
 * http://www.ronaldo7.net/news/2012/457-xavi-messi-is-unique-we-cant-compare-him-with-cristiano-ronaldo.html
 * http://www.rstreem.com/news/pep-guardiola-compared-messi-with-micheal-jordan

This sentence has to be rewritten
Messi made UEFA Champions League history by becoming the first player to score five goals in one match, in a 7–1 win against Bayer Leverkusen.[9] With two goals in the next round against Milan, he matched José Altafini's record of 14 goals in a single Champions League season

Now this makes no sense at all. Excactly what are we talking about here? The Champions League or the European Cup? If we talk about the European cup then please remove the statement that messi is the first to score 5 goals since this is false. If we are talking about the Champions League, please remove the statement about José Altafini since he never played in the Champions League.

If Messi is the only one to score 5 goals in the Champions League then he is also the only one to score 14 goals in the same competition. If we include José Altafini in this sentence then also Ove Olsson, Bent Løfqvist, José Altafini, Ray Crawford, Nikola Kotkov, Flórián Albert, Paul van Himst, Gerd Müller, Claudio Sulser and Søren Lerby have to be included as player that have scored 5 goals in the Champions League. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.54.207.10 (talk) 11:39, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 June 2012
Edit the the age! Leo Messi just turned to 25years old!!!

ScareRow199 (talk) 22:49, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ❌ - the age is given by a template, which updates itself. Cyan  Gardevoir  (used EDIT!) 23:45, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Style of play section
The article is currently a GA, but the "style of play" section, which is full of praise and verbosity, is not of GA caliber. I have trimmed the section somewhat, but it needs another pair of eyes, in my opinion. Drmies (talk) 20:58, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Onze d'or 2012
It must be added he won the Onze d'or 2012 http://www.damefobal.com.ar/2012/07/lionel-messi-gana-el-onze-dor-por-tercer-ano-consecutivo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pablodalma (talk • contribs) 14:54, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 August 2012
Onze d'or 2012

It must be added he won the Onze d'or 2012 http://www.damefobal.com.ar/2012/07/lionel-messi-gana-el-onze-dor-por-tercer-ano-consecutivo

Pablodalma (talk) 20:14, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ - See here. Ob tund Talk 13:54, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Minor Salary Correction
A minor change should be made under Messi's salary description. Below, please refer to the line of text that states his salary "E 29.9 million" with 33 million in parenthesis. There should be a dollar sign before the 33 million, not a Euro sign.

In March 2010, France Football ranked him at the top of its list of the world's richest footballers, ahead of David Beckham and Cristiano Ronaldo, with £29.6 million (€33 million) in combined income from salaries, bonuses and off-field earnings.[204][205] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pablocastror (talk • contribs) 19:21, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Messi has scored 256 goals for barca not 255 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.178.196.206 (talk) 09:46, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Goals per Game Ratio (25 August 2012)
The Goals per Game ratio must be added to the "Club" chart in the section Career statistics. This must be made only in the final column titled as "Total", in order to make it more summarized. The last "Total" column will contain four sub-columns, being these: Apps - Goals - Assists - GPG (Goals per Game).

By adding the above, it will be easier to compare the goals scored by Lionel Messi with the goals scored by another player (e.g. Cristiano Ronaldo). It's way easier to compare the amount of goals scored in a given number of matches than the amount of goals scored overall. The GPG ratio will make it better.

Currently, the GPG's for each season are: 2004-05: 0,11 2005-06: 0,33 2006-07: 0,47 2007-08: 0,40 2008-09: 0,74 2009-10: 0,88 2010-11: 0,96 2011-12: 1,21 2012-13: 1,50

As we can see, the GPG's allow us to analyze better the evolution of the player throughout his career. — Preceding signed comment added by AndresSuescun (talk • contribs) 01:57, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


 * This feels an awful lot like WP:SYNTH and WP:POV. --Mosmof (talk) 06:19, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * This is not a WP:SYNTH issue. Is not about reaching a third conclusion (synthesis), is about giving an additional presentation of the original data (the goals scored), in order to point the relevance of the number of matches played in the final goal tally. Is like abridge the "Apps" and "Goals" data in a new item called "GPG", is to translate the same data in "other words".


 * Besides, it'd make certain situations more understandable. For example, an "X" player suffers an injury at the beginning of the season and only manages to score three goals in four matches. As a result, the low amount of goals yields a very low tally, while the GPG ratio is 0,75 (a very high one when it comes to soccer). This GPG ratio shows the good performance "X" had in the few matches he/she played. It would be SUPPORTED BY VERIFIED DATA (numbers), not by subjective words (fan poetry).


 * Regarding to the WP:POV, I would like to apologize if my true intentions with this proposal might have seemed biased. Is normal to think so when I stated: "it will be easier to compare the goals scored by Lionel Messi with the goals scored by another player (e.g. Cristiano Ronaldo)". Actually, I was trying to get in a regular reader's point of view. I insist, this is not a subjective approach, is just a proposal to make the information easier to understand. The GPG ratio appears in the "Career totals" chart, I don't see why adding it at the "Club" chart wouldn't make the things better. --AndresSuescun (talk) 02:38, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think such info is necessary. People can work out goals per game just by looking at numbers of games and goals, they don't need us to spell it out for them. – PeeJay 12:40, 26 August 2012 (UTC)ç
 * I'm not talking about replace any column, we'd be adding a new one. Is just one column that would make the things better. Is not a matter of praising a player, is about improve the information that Wikipedia is providing the users. Is a column with PROVEN DATA, why are you making such a big deal about it? Sorry if my grammar mistakes bother you, english is not my first language. -AndresSuescun (talk) 12:32, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * This seems like a slightly excessive level of detail that we generally want to avoid in Wikipedia. GPG isn't a widely cited statistic and until major media outlet starts using it as a common metric, we're placing undue emphasis on it by including it in the stat box. There's no indication that the "regular user" is actually looking for this statistic, and anyone who cares should be good enough at basic arithmetic to draw their own conclusion. Mosmof (talk) 03:03, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, now I think is pointless to keep arguing. I did my best, I just wanted to use this statistic in every player to get the Wikipedia unified. I took Lionel Messi because his relevance. It´s in lots of articles and I've always found it pretty useful since makes easier to compare the scores between one season an another, or one player and another. These are some high profile Wikipedia articles that makes use of the GPG (or Goals per Match):
 * - | European Cup and UEFA Champions League records and statistics
 * - | Pichichi Trophy
 * - | Association football players with 50 or more international goals
 * - | International association football goal scorers by country - AndresSuescun (talk) 01:39, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism/Factual Error
Can someone with verification fix the Zebbug Rangers glitch in the very first sentence? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoogaloony (talk • contribs) 01:48, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Messi redirect
the word messi has too many names and meanings with it. its unfair to others to redirect here. please remove redirect immediately — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.78.179.248 (talk) 23:21, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

additional source that has his second surname: cuccittini
http://www.kckrs.com/lionel-messi-and-bojan-krkic-come-from-the-same-gene-pool-somehow/ --82.139.5.13 (talk) 09:34, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 September 2012
the existing image of Lionel Messi should be updated to a recent image of the season 2012-13

117.204.140.229 (talk) 11:28, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Why? And in case you answer constructively to this question, do you have a suitable image that complies with our licensing requirements? -- Alexf(talk) 12:10, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

World Record for most goals in a season
Romário also scored 73 official goals in the 2000 season with Vasco da Gama.

Cup]]
 * 3 for the FIFA Club World Cup
 * 11 for the Mercosur Cup
 * 12 for the Rio-São Paulo Tournament
 * 19 for the Carioca State Championship
 * 7 for the World Cup Qualifyings

Check here and in portuguese articles of these tournaments if you like. I hope you'll correct the article by stating that it was a record in an european season. Thank you. 201.50.2.169 (talk) 19:32, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Messi's 73-goal-record is for Barcelona club only, national team goals are not included. The list you provide includes the goals for Brazil national team. Ftj1357 (talk) 02:07, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

a seperate page for statistics
Some lists in the Career Statistics made the article too long. I suggest creating a seperate page for detailed career statistics. Only important data remain in the main page. Just like those seperate statistics page for tennis players, such as Roger Federer career statistics. Ftj1357 (talk) 04:35, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

hey sorry to read this after ending it...im kind of new to write at wikipedia...anyway...i think if we put it with hide options would make better than two separated pages ? what do u think ??

I put all references also so no one can say its not a fact !

also i added goals in world cup club ...

the only problem is the tennis statistics is really much longer and richer than soccer player..so with the hide option it can still make the article short as it was and anyone who is interested would check it if not he doesnt need to expand it !!

Adnan 10 october 9 am (GMT)


 * agreed, hide option is useful here. Ftj1357 (talk) 14:06, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

ok perfect AdnanTalk 10 october 6.01 pm (UCT)

Number of games in the 2006/07 season (34 or 36?)
I counted 34 games for that season. I could be wrong (i'm compiling all Messi's seasons in my user page). So, 34 or 36 games?--Messiteca (talk) 06:13, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * You have missed the two Spanish supercup games, Messi played both. http://www.rsssf.com/tabless/spansupcuphist.html#2006 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.17.158.50 (talk) 12:12, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

important updates at Messi's page
there is important discussion about messi's page at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football

the discussion about :

1-adding back the assists which have been removed ( and i think its really important ) especially most notable players have it and even less known player than messi have this statistics which is important for any striker .(remember the debate about messi vs ronalod have lots about messi makes more assists than ronaldo ).

--Q by ‎87.59.118.124 : Why where the statistics removed? because if you are interested in that should have tell that at the discussion.


 * What does this even mean? Please return them. They in no way make the page longer or harder to read and add a valuable piece of information to this biography.

2-adding back the youth and under -23 goals because they are different statistics from senior one and u cant merge them together. since fifa themself separate them differently.

3-about the table of messi goals and if its important info or just long statistics(useless one).

Thank you all. adnantalk 12 pm 16 october 2012 (UTC)
 * Please add your comments to the discussion in FOOTY. -- Alexf(talk) 16:24, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Why did you take all the stats out of Messi's page?? There was good data about him... I was really happy for like a day when I saw that you were adding the stats that had "goals to every spanish, european and non european teams" detailed. Now you erased more than there was before... I would love to have it back, but I have no idea how to... Put them back, please!! 190.19.39.225 (talk) 09:39, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 October 2012
Hi, there was more details of Lionel Messi, statistics, but some one removed the assistance column, I hope you can restore it.

89.211.105.212 (talk) 01:43, 28 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This change was suggested before (see the top of the page), but apparently there is no official source for what constitutes an assist.   RudolfRed (talk) 03:36, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Hat-Tricks: Edit request on 28 October 2012
It must be added a section in the Carreer Statistics named Hat-tricks with a table showing all the 24 hat-tricks Messi has scored in official matches with FC Barcelona and the Argentina National Team.

6 Carreer Statistics 6.1 Club 6.1.1 Youth team 6.1.2 Senior team 6.2 International 6.2.1 International appearances 6.2.2 International goals 6.3 Hat-tricks <--New Section


 * This is it:

Hat-tricks

 * What happened with the Carreer Totals? — Preceding signed comment added by AndresSuescun (talk • contribs) 00:36, 29 October 2012 (UTC)


 * ❌ See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 00:52, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Messi is iffhs goalscorer of the year 2011 with 19 goals
Messi is iffhs goalscorer of the year 2011 with 19 goals but was an idiot who deleted the article,so messi won the award iffsh goalscorer of the year 2011.
 * And messi win Goal.com award too,2 times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.122.230.116 (talk) 08:59, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Honors
In honors, yu are missing the other 2011-2012 European Sports Magazines (ESM)award for the Team of the year, the article, only have 2005–06, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11 not 2011-2012, he has to iffhs goalscorer of the year 2011 with 19 goals
 * messi win goal.com award 2 times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.126.100.63 (talk) 16:02, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Honours section suggestion!!!
Wants other users opinion regarding a possibal edit of the honours section.

Individual
La Liga UEFA FIFA
 * LFP Best Player (4): 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012
 * LFP Best Forward (4): 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012
 * UEFA Club Footballer of the Year (1): 2009
 * UEFA Champions League Forward of the Year (1): 2009
 * FIFA Club World Cup Golden Ball (2): 2009, 2011
 * FIFA U-20 World Cup Player of the Tournament (1): 2005

Found the list a bit "messy" and thought it could need som clean up by using headlines or something similare.Halmstad (talk) 23:01, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 November 2012
Please check Messi's height(1.69m)because I saw a picture shows that Messi is taller than Xavi while Xavi's heigth is written as 1.70m

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 * ❌. 1.69 m is properly sourced. -- Alexf(talk) 11:13, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 14 April 2012
Messi have 31 games in Primera Division, not 32 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.82.201.194 (talk) 12:25, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on may 6 2012
Please add under 2011-2011=12 season at bottom:

He is the top scorer in a single season in the history of asossiation football with 72+ goals. Source: http://mundod.lavoz.com.ar/futbol/messi-le-metio-cuatro-al-espanyol-volvio-marcar-records-historicos — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicolas.lever (talk • contribs) 11:00, 6 May 2012‎

Argentina
Winner
 * FIFA U-20 World Cup (1): 2005
 * Olympic Gold Medal (1): 2008

Runner-Up
 * Copa América (1): 2007

Third place
 * South American Youth Championship (1): 2005

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bekhouche (talk • contribs) 16:13, 9 June 2012‎ (UTC)

Career Totals
The numers of appearances do not add up to the stats described above it. Please fix so we can have an accurate goal count. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.226.69.25 (talk) 21:10, 19 February 2012‎

Worlds best player
Need to mention that he is currently the worlds best player and one of the best of all time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yash101010 (talk • contribs) 10:19, 23 November 2012 (UTC) thats an opinion. and all of the awards like ballon d'or are mentioned in the introduction section

The article looked better with all the statistics
About 1 month ago, there used to be a lot of Messi's statistics, such as his hat tricks, assists, the amount of goals he has scored to each european team, etc. Anyway, I know an user suggested to remove them because the article was too long, but I personally think it looked better with all the statistics because you could know everything about him. Or like another user said, make another article with his records and statistics. Huge fan of this page, hope you can change it back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.130.46.156 (talk) 01:20, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Full Name
Full name: Yahya Ali Ikram?? COME ON, HIS NAME IS LIONEL ANDRES MESSI — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.18.22.95 (talk) 12:01, 24 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, apologies. That was vandalism, which was, unfortunately, visible in the article for nearly 6 minutes. Should be correct now. Begoon &thinsp; talk  12:14, 24 November 2012 (UTC)