Talk:Lira da braccio

Great
Good job on making this page. Badagnani 20:14, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Lirone
Is the lirone related to the lira da braccio? The tuning is different but it makes sense; even the name is similar. This information should be added to the lirone article. Badagnani 20:23, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's on this page, a little further down. I'll add it with source to the lirone page. Mak (talk)  20:25, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

While you're there, listen to the beautiful lirone audio links I've added. Badagnani 20:35, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, the lirone has more strings and is tuned in a way that makes it easier to make more chords. I didn't mean that it is literally a bass lira da braccio, but it clearly developed from it (for once, a clear lineage). Mak (talk)  20:39, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

The pegbox looks similar too (like a vielle). Could you possible add a description of that in both articles? I'm not sure how to put it into words. Also, could you check that the audios I've added are actually lirone? I'm not absolutely sure about the "Orfeo" examples. Badagnani 20:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The pegbox description on this article is that it's leaf-shaped and has frontal pegs, like most vielles I've seen. I guess that could go earlier in the article, in the lead. Mak (talk)  20:47, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

The recording sounds good to me, although you might want to mention that there are plucked strings (theorbo?) also playing, so that listeners don't get too confused. Mak (talk)  21:06, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

"bracio"
Was this just bad Italian on Praetorius's part or the fact that (Florentine) Italian spelling hadn't yet been standardized? Badagnani (talk) 05:36, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * good point Badagnani, googling "lyra de bracio" gives some results in various sources. Unclear if they are inspired by Praetorius though (Stevepeterson (talk) 13:33, 21 March 2009 (UTC))

Confusion of two different instruments?
I think this page confuses two instruments, the lira da braccio and the very different Byzantine lira. The lira da braccio was an instrument with four or five bowed strings and two that were separate, possibly to be plucked. It is strung similarly to the crwth (which is a true lyre) and shaped very like a violin. By contrast, the Byzantine lira has three or four strings, no separate strings, and a body that is shaped more like that of a lute. It is clearly related to the rebec and rabab. If I had to guess, I would say the lira da braccio had in fact decended from a true lyre, such as the crwth or croud, and the Byzantine lira was unrelated except that they were both bowed.

A similar confusion exists, and is pervasive in Wikipedia, between the lira da gamba and the viola da gamba, and, to a lesser degree between the viola da braccio and lira da braccio. This, however, is more clearly wrong, and is addressed in some pages. ghh 13:31, 23 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by George H. Harvey (talk • contribs)

Viola da braccio
Viola da braccio redirects here. I think that is a mistake. Viola da braccio was an early name for the violin family used to distinguish the instruments of the violin family (including those that were not held da braccio such as the cello) from the violas da gamba. Thus viola da braccio should redirect to the Violin family article. Contact Basemetal   here  07:23, 10 May 2013 (UTC)