Talk:Lisa (rapper)/Archive 1

Note
Repeatedly created and redirected under several titles. See Lalisa Manoban, Lisa (Black Pink) and Lisa (rapper). --Paul_012 (talk) 05:08, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Individual notability
While I don't have a strong opinion regarding the subject's individual notability, the fact that so many different articles/drafts have been created for the subject suggests that this needs proper discussion rather than plainly reverting. Please bring this to AfD instead of restoring the redirect. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:11, 18 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Because fancruft accounts are creating those articles, that doesnt means that she is notable – well, unless a general popularity among fans is enough then she is, even though she has zero solo career outside of Blackpink. Snowflake91  (talk) 19:48, 18 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Per WP:ENTERTAINER, she has accumulated a large following, and actually has the largest amount of followers on Instagram out of all K-Pop artists. Though she has not released any solo material, she has been creating content on YouTube (on Lili Film) as well as being credited to a series of popular dance videos on YG X Academy and solo dance performances on Blackpink Tour. Josh (talk) 04:47, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


 * And how is a "large" fanbase defined? 50 million followers on instagram? 10 million? 10,000 likes? Per that WP:ENT point #2, literally EVERY K-pop member of the group could have an article then, even though they fail WP:NSINGER, and then you have bare stubs with poor sources like this article since after removing fan trivia, there is nothing left in the article. Snowflake91  (talk) 11:53, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


 * , per tagging standards, is she "reasonably likely to be non-notable" or "certainly, hopelessly non-notable"?  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:09, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


 * She has literally the biggest base one could get in the entire K-Pop industry, say what is large but when she already is the largest in a burgeoning scene, not much we could take away from that. Josh (talk) 20:24, 21 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I suggest doing a deletion nom if you're worried about notability,, but certain idols have been given their own solo page despite a lack of proper solo activities due to WP:GNG. BTS' Jimin got one before his solo song released because he was covered as an individual idol a lot on notable news sites. Also, , I suggest locating individual coverage on her via reputable news sites for her to pass WP:GNG. Just saying she's got a big base without proving anything isn't much. DanielleTH  (Say hi!) 01:03, 22 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I agree with and others above.  has a habit of repeatedly turning articles of major K-pop stars into redirects without discussion. I suggest the user read the deletion review for Harry Styles from 2013. It's long been established that popular idols can achieve notability per WP:ENTERTAINER and WP:GNG before they satisfy WP:SINGER, and this should apply to the top K-pop stars such as Lisa and others. If you think a person is not notable, feel free to nominate it for deletion, but please stop unilaterally turning them into redirects. There have been multiple complaints on your talk page. -Zanhe (talk) 21:00, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:ENT is dumb and way too general, while WP:NSINGER has clearly defined criterias – again, how is "a large fanbase" measured ? In number of instagram followers, or number of trivial mentions in the media (which goes against WP:GNG criterias), or what ? Snowflake91  (talk) 21:14, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * If you think WP:ENT is too general, then start an RFC to change it. I agree the wording "a large fanbase" is subjective, but for stars ranked among the top 10 in instagram's most followed K-pop idols (all of whom have larger followings than Donald Trump, for perspective), or Gallup poll's top 20 most popular Korean idols, it's safe to believe that they meet the notability criteria. Otherwise we might as well declare that "no K-pop stars can ever be considered to have a large fanbase". -Zanhe (talk) 23:22, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Article title
The subject's personal name is Lalisa Manoban, her nickname / stage name is Lisa. If Lalisa Manoban isn't used as the page title, it should be Lisa with some disambiguator, but not combined with her surname. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:11, 18 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The article was renamed to Lisa (Thai singer) AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:38, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2019
Lisa was born in Buriram but grew up in Bangkok 2001:44C8:4105:1086:4BAB:2263:42DC:7AE7 (talk) 15:33, 21 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Not according to 1 or 2 Snowflake91  (talk) 15:48, 21 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Done. It's a well known fact in Thailand, and plenty of Thai sources attest to this. Those two sources are incorrect. --Paul_012 (talk) 21:50, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2019
The page could use some more information on the celebrity. Under "Early Life," it would be a good idea to add this fact: Lisa speaks four languages fluently: Thai, English, Korean, and Japanese. (http://time.com/5562946/blackpink-k-pop-everything-to-know/) or a source already vetted in this article (https://www.scmp.com/culture/music/article/2157040/lisa-blackpink-thailand-raised-k-pop-singer-who-groups-main-dancer). This has also been confirmed by Lisa herself in this video in 2017, https://youtube.com/3cPQZVcN2Sc.

Under "Career," an edit that could possibly be made would be the year change: 2016 - 2011. Lisa was the only person accepted in the 2010 YG Global Audition in Thailand out of 4000 participants. She began her training in South Korea in 2011 at the age of 14. In 2012, YG Entertainment posted a video featuring Lisa as a standout trainee in 2012 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdhLxKFcOWQ&feature=youtu.be).

Under "Endorsements," the additional information can be provided as it strengthens the statement. Lisa has been the prime female representative of the Korean style brand NONA9ON, or Nonagon, since 2014 (https://ygdreamers.com/tag/nonagon/). In 2018, she collaborated with Nonagon to create her first clothing line, Blackpink Lisa x Nonagon. The pieces sported her own catch-phrase “Brightest Star in the Night Sky.” She collaborated with the brand for a second time in the Fall of 2018 (https://ygdreamers.com/tag/nonagon/). Since 2016, Lisa has been the face of YG Entertainment cosmetic brand Moonshot. Enhancing the Celine endorsement fact with "She covered Dazed Korea in a pictorial featuring their Fall 2019 Runway show." (https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/national/showbiz-blackpinks-lisa-is-muse-for-hedi-slimanes-c%C3%A9line-campaign/ar-BBSpB0I). Anonlisa (talk) 16:21, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: I've added the languages. The second request is insufficiently sourced (the youtube link doesn't identify her by name, and the rest of the info is unsourced). ydreamers.com is a fansite, and therefore not a reliable source. NiciVampireHeart 14:38, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 1 December 2019

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Consensus to move to Lisa (rapper) as Lisa (Thai rapper) is considered unnecessary disambiguation. (closed by non-admin page mover)  SITH   (talk)   14:57, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Lisa (Thai rapper) → ? – I think this page should definitely be moved; since none of the other musicians listed at Lisa appear to be rappers, the current disambiguator seems like an unnecessary distinction. Pretty much the only reason I started this discussion is because I'm not sure what to move it to. On October 17, Arianatoreblink moved the page from Lisa (Thai singer) to its current name with the rationale "She is a rapper, not a singer", but the opening sentence and infobox describe her as both, and she doesn't seem to be primarily known as either. What do you think? Vaporgaze (talk) 10:52, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The only thing I would suggest the article being moved to would be Lisa (rapper) as that directs to this article anyway, so Thai rapper is just an over disambiguation. Alex (talk) 17:05, 1 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Support moving to Lisa (rapper), and this should be moved right away per non-controversial over-disambiguation. Snowflake91  (talk) 17:51, 1 December 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Philanthropy or Faint Praise??
100 000 Baht? That is $3300 from a 2 million dollar net worth. Is including this supposed to be commendable?

200.68.142.15 (talk) 01:11, 10 December 2019 (UTC) baden k.

Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2020
203.81.83.210 (talk) 13:40, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Naypta ☺ &#124; ✉ talk page &#124; 13:46, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Scammed
Lisa was apparently scammed by her manager, should we add it? Don't know if this is a reliable source SmallPotato  talk 15:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Lisa's surname is Manobal
According to the Royal Thai General System of Transcription, Lisa's surname "มโนบาล" is transcripted to "Manobal", which is often confused with "Manoban" due to the pronunciation of the "ล". Plus, there are no official sources which show Lisa's surname is transcripted as "Manoban", Lisa only said her surname is read as "마노반; Ma-no-ban" in Korean.


 * According to the documentary BLACKPINK: Light Up the Sky (https://www.netflix.com/watch/81106901), at the end "Archival Footage & Photos Courtesy of" shows "LALISA MANOBAL".

The spelling of a person's name should follow the person's preferred spelling, ideally as expressed on the person's passport or other official document, although alternatives are acceptable if shown to be overwhelmingly common. So if official company sources like YG trademarks romanizes it as Manobal, that is probably the closest to official you can get without a passport. A note with other romanizations is reasonable to add.Evaders99 (talk) 02:50, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * According to Justia Trademarks, YG Entertainment has registered "Manobal" (https://trademarks.justia.com/792/76/manobal-79276772.html) and "Manobal Lalisa" (https://trademarks.justia.com/792/77/manobal-79277323.html). -- Cisdine (talk) 14:56, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * According to the RTGS page that you mentioned, "ล", as listed in the "last position" column, is transcribed as "n" when it's at the end of a word. In any event, there is no consistently followed romanization for Thai.  Most English sources spell it as "Manoban".  Perhaps we add a footnote that it's sometimes spelled "Manobal".—Bagumba (talk) 17:07, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm confused myself. It looks like Lisa is opening her own clothing store called Manobal. Also, if Manobal is her real name, we could put it somewhat like this: Lisa Manobal (pronounced Manoban) SmallPotato  ( ✉  ●  ✎ ) 18:53, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It's not a "real name" issue, per se. She is Thai. Her surname is written in the Thai alphabet.  Since this is English Wikipedia, we need a romanization(s) of the name, but there are no consistently-applied rules on the romanization of Thai. More sources seem to have used "Manoban" vs "Manobal". So the question is how do we present this in the lead: 1) Manoban only 2) Manobal only 3) Manoban and Manobal 4) Manoban with a footnote about Manobal 5) Manobal with a footnote about Manoban—Bagumba (talk) 02:24, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Here's the policy to follow WP:WikiProject_Thailand/Style_guide
 * Note. Notification of this discussion has been left at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Thailand.—Bagumba (talk) 02:43, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


 * The RTGS spelling is Manoban. It's more of a placeholder for when personal preferences are unknown though. If official sources including the subject herself use Manobal, other sources will likely eventually follow suit. We could use "Lalisa Manobal (ลลิษา มโนบาล, ; born Pranpriya Manobal (ปราณปรียา มโนบาล) on March 27, 1997)..." And maybe also somehow insert the IPA pronunciation:  --Paul_012 (talk) 06:13, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't see as many sources using "Manobal". Not sure if AllKPop is reliable for this (WP:KO/RS), but it says that "she doesn't like 'Manobal', because it sounds weird."—Bagumba (talk) 09:18, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2020
It's Prampriya Manoban and not Pranpriya Manoban Bedantica (talk) 18:48, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * ❌ You will need reliable sources to back up your claim. Lydïa   (☎️ ◦ ✍) 18:53, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Please add that she recently became a global ambassador for MAC, the cosmetics company. Also, her name is Lalisa Manobal not Manoban — Preceding unsigned comment added by Isabellamcmann123 (talk • contribs) 15:24, 14 December 2020 (UTC) ❌ No sources provided. Alex (talk) 15:37, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 1 February 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved  (t &#183; c)  buidhe  18:44, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Lisa (rapper) → Lalisa Manoban – Her full name would be a better fit for the page due to the existence of another famous Lisa, the Japanese singer, whose stage name is styled very similarly to Lisa. LikeAVVirgin (talk) 18:29, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose: That's why the article has the (rapper) disambiguator. Alex (talk) 18:44, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose her WP:COMMONNAME is Lisa. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  18:52, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose per COMMONNAME. As well, we would need to move Rosé (singer) to Roseanne Park, Jennie (singer) to Jennie Kim and Jisoo to Kim Ji-soo (singer, born 1995) for consistency. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 18:54, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: Maybe also consider renaming back to Lisa (Thai singer), since nationality is probably a clearer disambiguator than the specific kind of music she performs. This was the article title before it was unilaterally moved by User:Ghostintears in October 2019. It eventually arrived at the current title following . --Paul_012 (talk) 19:24, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Not Thai. Most casual readers would probably assume the K-pop performer is Korean.—Bagumba (talk) 05:13, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose: All other similar artists have their stage names as the article name, that can be seen even by just looking at the other Blackpink members. The (rapper) disambiguator does the exact purpose of differentiating her from the other singer. Haydenaa (talk) 04:55, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. While WP:NATURALDIS is preferred, her full name is not mentioned enough to warrant it.—Bagumba (talk) 05:50, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose I can challenge that even half of the blinks don't her full name.  -ink&amp;fables  «talk»  17:29, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2021
she is also a model along with dancer, singer and rapper 176.25.40.137 (talk) 17:35, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – robertsky (talk) 18:25, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2021
Change "Instruments Vocals" to "Instruments Vocals, Ukulele, Guitar" Wen6n7 (talk) 22:43, 25 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Not done - she has no musical notability as a ukulele player or guitarist. Evaders99 (talk) 22:49, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

YouTube subscribers, Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2021
Please add under "Impact and influence" section, right under the paragraph for Instagram:

As of June 2021, Lisa is the most subscribed female Kpop idol with a total amount of 7.68 million YouTube subscribers.

103.252.33.2 (talk) 14:13, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:28, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2021
i would like to add more pictures of lalisa monoban(rapper) Amy luvuno (talk) 20:33, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

I really adore her and love her art i am formally asking for permission to edit Amy luvuno (talk) 20:34, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:39, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

She debuted as the main dancer and lead rapper of south Korean girl group blackpink in 2016
Pretty baby55 (talk) 23:15, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Please kindly add this to her profile. It will help people who want to know more about her Pretty baby55 (talk) 23:16, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:15, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

The Standart person of the year LISA DID NOT WIN THIS AWARD
In 2018 Lisa did not win this award, This award was won by BLACKPINK, >>> this is the article listed in wikipedia https://thestandard.co/personoftheyear2018/ and it says not Lisa but Lisa Team >>>and this is next article that say That Blackpink won this award back in 2018 not Lisa https://aminoapps.com/c/blackpinkamino/page/blog/queen-of-asia-blackpink-won-2018-thailands-person-of-the-year/3W2Q_LGSBulG4gWrLown37N8VLXGkYKXw

Please Fix this and move this award too Blackpink award section, Thank you. ITIRIKBP (talk) 20:11, 1 August 2021 (UTC).
 * , The translation lists Lalisa Manoban as the finalist. How did that turned into Blackpink or Lisa Team? – robertsky (talk) 00:39, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * – robertsky (talk) check the links I have provided and fix it before commenting thank you ITIRIKBP (talk) 12:10, 2 August 2021 (UTC).
 * @ITIRIKBP I have corrected the error, however not as you mentioned. Lisa won "Most Popular Person of the Year" award for 2018 while in 2019 "Person of the Year" award. Not Lisa Team, Google Translate gave you the wrong translation. The team in the source for 2018 is referring to Tham Luang cave rescue team. In addition, not sure if you're aware or not, Amino apps is a social networking site which means it is self-published.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  12:26, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's the "Most Popular Person" award for both 2018 and 2019. I'm not sure if it really belongs—it's just a popular vote. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:00, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Paper9oll Alright, But then why you haven't included an award in BLACKPINK award section ? The 2nd source I have provided clearly states that Blackpink won prson of the year award, and award ceremony is notable to be included as it is in Lisa award section, I am looking forward to see this correction, thank you and have a nice day. ITIRIKBP (talk) 17:04, 2 August 2021 (UTC).

Semi-protected edit request on 4 October 2021
Pls I need to fix an error 49.146.6.68 (talk) 09:55, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  EN  - Jungwon  09:59, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 October 2021
In the first line, remove the "is" from "is better known". The "is" is grammatically incorrect. Hyuzuru (talk) 08:08, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done thanks for pointing that out. Alex (talk) 08:54, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Add a section about Lisa being mistreated by YG?
I think this is an important topic that needs to be added to Lisa's article. A lot of popular websites have published articles about her being mistreated and Lisa being mistreated by YG is/was trending on twitter gaining more than 4m tweets. Here is a link for proof from South China Morning Post and another one from International Business Times if you don't believe me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.128.205.229 (talk) 13:51, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Edit: Would like to also add that Lisa was scammed by her manager back in 2020 and I believe this should be noted in her article as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.128.205.229 (talk) 13:55, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2021
Her name is Lalisa Manoban not Lalisa Manobal 84.30.10.173 (talk) 14:33, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  14:56, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Mnet Asian Music Awards
Hello! Lisa has actually received 5 nominations at the Mnet Asian Music Awards, not three. Please add the other two categories: Artist of the Year and Song of the Year (for Lalisa). Source: https://mama.mwave.me/en/nominees — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.129.65.152 (talk) 15:16, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Bravo Otto Award
Lisa received a nomination at the Bravo Otto Awards 2021 for Best Newcomer category, please add it. Source: https://www.bravo.de/bravo-otto-wahl-2021-396142.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.129.70.191 (talk) 14:41, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Honorary award
Buriram Provincial Education Office awarded Lisa in honor of her commendable actions in supporting education and being an outstanding role model. Shouldn't this be included in her article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.128.82.129 (talk) 13:20, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * If you have a proper reference URL for the statement, you can link it here. --CrystalLemonade (talk) 14:03, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Here: https://www.tnnthailand.com/news/local/96676/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.128.82.129 (talk) 16:04, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2021
Please add in "Impact and Influence" that Lisa was singled out by various media for her influence as one of this year's biggest trendsetters. Here are the sources: https://wwd.com/fashion-news/fashion-features/who-had-the-biggest-influence-in-fashion-in-1234997340/ https://www.lyst.com/en-au/year-in-fashion-2021/moments.html 94.129.71.21 (talk) 10:56, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. –– FormalDude  Emojione 1F427.svg talk 02:25, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2021 - Updates on Lisa's condition
YG Entertainment stated that Lisa has no suspicious symptoms and is in a very good condition so please add it to her article. Source here: https://entertain.naver.com/now/read?oid=382&aid=0000947155 94.128.83.253 (talk) 12:21, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * ❌ for now, per WP:NOTNEWS-Wikipedia is not a newspaper; not all verifiable events are suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia—It'sCtrlwiki • talk • 12:55, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

But why? How is this information not suitable? I think we should at least add that YG later confirmed Lisa does not suffer from any particular symptoms. I believe it's important to write this one. 94.128.228.126 (talk) 14:28, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ I've accepted the edit request since we already include their COVID diagnosis. –– FormalDude Emojione 1F427.svg talk 02:31, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.128.233.79 (talk) 03:59, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Change Name to Lalisa Manoban
Change Lalisa Manobal to Lalisa Manoban.

Lisa has stated many times that her name is Lalisa Manoban and she dislikes being called Lalisa Manobal.

Sources: https://twitter.com/9lili97/status/1226589154097520641?s=20 https://m.imdb.com/name/nm8707186/bio https://kpopping.com/profiles/idol/Lisa 71.1.156.48 (talk) 01:16, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template.  —  Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  01:46, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

If by consensus, you mean a statement that makes it undeniably true: The character for "L" in Thai (ล) when placed at the end of a word can take placement as an "N". Manobal is simply a mistranslation error as stated in the video (first link above and first link below). Lalisa has also shown multiple times that she is upset by Manobal being used in place of Manoban as her last name in Thai is มโนบาล. It is clearly Manoban when properly translated. For Lisa's sake and out of basic human decency, the least Wikipedia should do is spell her last name correctly.

Source: https://twitter.com/9lili97/status/1226589154097520641?s=20

71.1.156.48 (talk) 02:47, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Twitter and other social media is not a reliable source Evaders99 (talk) 03:46, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * FWIW, the change in the lead sentence from Manoban to Manobal appears to have been a bold change, and not consensus through discussion, which was met with WP:SILENCE until now. She is Thai, so the name in question is its romanization, and there is no obvious "correct" spelling. The last extensive discussion was at Talk:Lisa_(rapper)/Archive_1.—Bagumba (talk) 07:42, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It's quite clearly established that her name is legally spelled Manobal, though she has expressed preference for Manoban, given the tendency for people to mispronounce it. Social media posts and videos by the subject should be adequate for supporting this, per WP:ABOUTSELF. The WP:Article titles policy doesn't even have to come into this, since the article is titled her stage name. Let's just move Manoban out of the footnote, mention both spellings in the lead, ("Lalisa Manobal, also spelled Manoban," or vice-versa) and be done with this. The aforementioned details can be added in the article body. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:25, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Surelt if Lisa has expressed her preference for Manoban, that is what should be used in the article per WikiProject Thailand/Style guide? Alex (talk) 18:10, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It also says "ideally as expressed on the person's passport or other official document", which in this case appears to be Manobal, so there's a conflict in how that guidance could apply here. (Also, it's a WikiProject advice essay and not an official guideline, so established naming conventions must take precedence.) --Paul_012 (talk) 08:58, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2021
Add 리사 it’s her Korean name and all other BLACKPINK singers have their Korean names as well Usernamewasherebutnotanymore (talk) 19:28, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * it's already in the article. Click the note [c] in the intro. Alex (talk) 19:55, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2022
Most viewed YouTube music video in 24 hours by a solo K-pop artist 49.144.62.23 (talk) 11:31, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * This is already in the article, what are you requesting? Alex (talk) 11:39, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2022 (2)
Test192349943d (talk) 14:57, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

adding more info & personal life.
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  14:58, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2022
177.66.0.86 (talk) 20:42, 27 March 2022 (UTC) Lisa Manoban
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 20:49, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Lalisa Manoban or Lalisa Manobal?
I'm very upset, that when I read Lisa's link that it says "born" Pranpriya Manobal, but then later says "born" Pranpriya Manoban, I would love it to be correct when I (or others) read her link, so may somebody please explain why it's "Manoban", but then "Manobal"🤨🤔 41.114.219.103 (talk) 17:43, 3 December 2021 (UTC)


 * It's actually spelled as "Manobal" but in Thai, it's pronounced as "Manoban"
 * To avoid confusion, she went with "Lalisa Manoban" as her stage name but officially it is spelled "Lalisa Manobal" in her passport. You can watch it in Knowing Brothers. 2001:D08:E5:B015:9407:DD79:ACD:BA39 (talk) 17:54, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Her real name
It's actually spelled as "Manobal" but in Thai, it's pronounced as "Manoban" To avoid confusion, she went with "Lalisa Manoban" as her stage name but officially, it is spelled "Lalisa Manobal" in her passport. You can watch it in Knowing Brothers. Hope this clears any confusion. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:D08:E5:B015:9407:DD79:ACD:BA39 (talk) 17:56, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes. There's existing footnotes in the lead that say as much.—Bagumba (talk) 05:31, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Title page
Hello I'm simply making a suggestion that the name like when you search her name Lalisa that could it possibly be changed to Lalisa because I believe she changed it to Lalisa no longer Lisa although some still refer to her as Lisa Monaban instead of Lalisa KPOPOVEREVERYTHING (talk) 17:35, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Lisa
Lisa is a south korean girl she have a 25 years old. 77.28.47.124 (talk) 19:43, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Lisa is not South Korean. Alex (talk) 19:44, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Originally not from south Korea but has stayed there for years I'm not disagreeing but shouldn't she be also kinda taken in as a resident although she is originally from Thailand KPOPOVEREVERYTHING (talk) 17:37, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Lisa with her Moonman award image in Impact section
Is it possible to add the second image from this carousel (https://www.instagram.com/p/Ch7JQkXPgoG/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=, as she is the only K-pop soloist in history to win a VMA. I know there isn’t any copyright info but I still feel it’s necessary to highlight a huge achievement in her career. Any way this is possible? Beulagpinkeu (talk) 12:17, 2 September 2022 (UTC)


 * It wouldn't be possible as Lisa would have to release a Creative Commons license for it to be used or get proper permission, but I don't see that happening. Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉</b> 17:32, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2022
change Lalisa Manobal to Lalisa Manoban as Manobal is incorrect. Zahraok (talk) 22:41, 16 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Not done. See previous discussion Evaders99 (talk) 22:47, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Date format
According to Wikipedia's guidelines date format used in articles should be the same as the nationality of the subject. As the subject of this article is not American the article should not use the US-format of MM/DD/YY. Therefore, would someone with editing access changes the dates to DD/MM/YY? For reference see and Thanks. 213.205.210.249 (talk) 18:28, 2 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia guidelines make no mention that just because a person is not American then that means dmy dates need be used. The page has retained mdy date formats since is creation, therefore it should remain that way. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  19:01, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2023
May I please edit it 2A02:C7C:9481:5600:29BF:BA5E:140F:DA2E (talk) 12:23, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Lightoil (talk) 12:31, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2023
Add "MBE" after her name in the intro paragraph 2603:8081:6101:4282:9153:F76:AA91:DEA3 (talk) 07:09, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Also read Talk:Blackpink.  —  Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  07:11, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Description
I just checked few songs listed under Lisa's discography, I find it disturbing that on all those songs she's defined as "Lisa of Blackpink". Hasn't she made her name prestigious enough to standout? She attained multiple awards and Guinness records, and she's still Lisa of Blackpink? Why is Lil Wayne not Lil Wayne of Young Money or Eminem, Eminem formerly of D12? This has to be addressed.  dxneo  (talk) 12:32, 6 April 2024 (UTC)