Talk:Lisa Lee Dark

Major changes
Too much to list in the edit summary:


 * Tagged as a conflict-of-interest article (creator has been warned)
 * Non-NPOV/unverifiable material removed where possible (one of the problems of creating an autobiographical article !)
 * Times online reference removed as it gives error 404
 * Removed reference for voice work on five Hollywood movies as the reference was a myspace entry (not a reliable source), and IMDB has no entry for this person. If the work can be proved by a reliable source, this can be added back in. I;ve tagged it as citation required in the meantime.
 * Bebo.com reference removed (again, not a reliable source)
 * New Era facebook reference removed as i) it's not a reliable source and ii) it's relevant to the group, but not necessarily to this person.
 * Removed link to New Era as this was incorrect - no article on this group apparently exists in WP at this moment
 * Removed myspace links - not reliable sources
 * Moved 'thisishertfordshire' reference as it has nothing to do with the 'New Era' group
 * walesonline reference removed as it doesn't work
 * music-dash reference removed as it doesn't work
 * Removed external links which didn't work
 * Removed non-existent categories, and changed a couple to ones which did

Note also that I've been unable to verify most of the references as they will require access to the original newpapers/articles.

After all that, I'm still not 100% sure of notability, but it was an interesting exercise ! CultureDrone (talk) 12:09, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Major changes to the changes
= = Major changes = = I have removed the tagged bit (conflict of interest article) because I am just someone who has spent several months researching Lisa Lee Dark, and I didn’t set up the original wp article.

I feel that it is very important to say that it is extremely unlikely that it was Lisa Lee who created the original wikipedia article. I feel that it’s important to point out that Lisa Lee had to deal with a stalker, who was completely obsessed with her, he did everything that he could to ruin her career and cause as many problems for her as possible, so there is the chance that it could have been him who created it, or someone connected to him. I think that Lisa Lee would have enough intelligence to not use her own name if she was writing up her own article.

I have replaced the times on line reference as it is genuine. If you go to the times newspaper website, then go into their archives and type in the name Lisa Lee Dark, it will then give you the article. Most of Lisa Lee’s story is backed up in this one article.

I’ve placed a reference source to the voice over work on five Hollywood movies because it is true. You will actually find that these minor film roles are mentioned, one by one in several of the newspaper articles over the years. You won’t find Lisa Lee’s name mentioned on the IMDB because she either used a fictitious name or didn’t get credited at all but this is mentioned in the WP article.

Mentioning Lisa Lee with the group New Era is very important because this is the real starting point in Lisa Lee’s musical career, and she is usually mentioned (in name) with the group (ie New Era with Lisa Lee Dark). Apparently they’re about to make a comeback so maybe someone will set up their WP article / page.

Actually the ‘this is Hertfordshire’ reference is wrong because it is ‘this is Herefordshire’, but technically it does mention the group New Era but by their original name. In the beginning the group were called Enigma but after the group Enigma came out they changed their name to New Era, so technically they are mentioned but I only know this because I have spent several months researching it.

I have also put back the Wales on line reference because it is correct, the feature is taken from her newspaper article in the western mail. If you go into google and type in the name Lisa Lee Dark, this is usually one of the first few things to come up.

I would have to add that I am 100% sure of Lisa Lee’s notability. I would agree that Lisa Lee is a hard subject to research because there is not a great deal about her on the internet, so you have to do the research the good old fashioned way, but surely this should be all the more reason to have an article about her on wikipedia, I thought that wikipedia was there to help educate people and from an educational point of view Lisa Lee is an extremely important subject, mostly due to her medical condition CAH. You ask any medical professor or student (especially connected to psychology) how important is Lisa Lee’s story and they would tell you extremely important. I know this for a fact due to my own research.

Actually the BBC open university would agree with the above statement, because the students studying to get a psychology degree actually use a taped interview of Lisa Lee talking about how she’s been affected by CAH. How many people do you know who are used as a study case to get a degree? Also this interview (apparently / hopefully) will soon be made available to the larger public because it’s getting released by itunesU.

There are lots more newspaper and magazine articles on Lisa Lee but I felt that it was more important to only include the most relevant factual pieces of information. I’ve no doubt that lots more things will be added as Lisa Lee gets more and more publicity.

= = Changes = = I have brought Lisa Lee Dark's wikipedia page up to date, as there were a few a few little things missing, whick are of interest to the general public, most people are not aware that Lisa Lee considers herself a type of cabaret singer, as she has the ability to mimic and copy other singers. I have also brought the page up tp date in regards to Lisa Lee's releases. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Niperdiva (talk • contribs) 11:55, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

= = Changes = = I have tried to correct and update this wikipedia page, over the next couple of weeks I will add more links and info on the topic of Lisa Lee Dark, the article is very well sourced from very reliable publications, I have seen and read quite a few of them from my research on Lisa Lee Dark, there is one small misprint in the article and two small things needed to be updated to make the article up to date. There are a good few topics to add pages to on wikipedia regarding contacts with Lisa Lee's career; over the next two weeks I will make bring things up to date, I will also try to add in a little bit more info from the souces to make the article a better read, although it is already well written and sourced, and it has kept to the wikipedia rules, but it just needs a tiny bit more info to make it better and more acurate. People need to remember that this is also a living person biography and Lisa Lee is at the early stages of her career, so more and more information will be updated as it happens, during the career of Lisa Lee Dark. (Trdk4 (talk) 15:13, 27 May 2011 (UTC))

= = small changes = = I have made very minor changes to this page, for some strange reason someone has removed most of Lisa-Lee's external links, I have added more, the ones I've included are the most relevant to Lisa-Lee and her career, these add to her story making her wikipedia page more accurate, I've set Lisa-Lee's blog as her main page as this is the most detailed thing about Lisa-Lee on the web. I will add one or two more external links when I find really useful and good ones. I did mean to add more topics, but I am unable to find any online refrences, so these will have to wait until I can get more info, there are quite a few refrences but none online, but when I do begin to find them, I will add more links to this page, so it is not classed as an orphan. Trdk4 (talk) 13:32, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

= = Small changes = = I am quite new to using Wikipedia; so I'm not 100% sure if I'm doing things correctly; but I took down the notability tag / comment on the Lisa Lee Dark page because, I, like a lot of other psychology degree students believe that Lisa-Lee is extremely notable, not just because of her career and lineage (family connections - Lisa-Lee is related to two of the most famous women from the last 200 years, and due to her family connection to Adelina Petti, Lisa-Lee is like classical royalty, as Patti is connected to legendary composers like Donizetti, Verdi and Bellini to name a few).

Lisa-Lee is also hugely notable in her own right, especially from an educational and medical point of view, as she is a study subject for several psychology degree courses all around the world; due to her inter-sex medical condition 'Congenital adrenal hyperplasia' (CAH); Lisa-Lee is a study subject / topic with the BBC open university (to name one); people studying for a degree in psychology (like myself), use Lisa-Lee to understand inter-sex conditions better.

Not to forget how own career, making her notable. There was a radio interview recently, and she has an album coming out later this year; she has been quiet over the last few years due to ill health. I am currently doing research on Lisa-Lee for my university (degree) course, so I am using the references on Wikipedia to get as much detailed info on her as possible, and the references have been hugely helpful with my research. The Wikipedia page could be written slightly better in some parts, so I will use my research work to tidy up this page and add more useful links; but I'll do that over the next 2 - 3 weeks.

The other area that makes Lisa-Lee notable is the fact that medical people and health professionals use this Wikipedia page, and the links and info on Lisa-Lee to help educate parents who have children with inter-sex conditions, I know if this info wasn't available the parents would find is so much harder to understand inter-sex conditions like Lisa-Lee's, this is because Lisa-Lee is a real person growing up with the disorder; everything else online about CAH is written in a very 'medical' style that is confusing and hard to understand. DT5677 (talk) 12:02, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

= = Small Changes = = I have begun tidying up this wiki page, I hope I am editing to the correct standard, I have done half the page and added some links, once I do the next paragraph I will remove the things on top of the page asking to help correct it, hopefully I would have finished in the next week or two DT5677 (talk) 18:08, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

I have now completed my work on this page, I hope I have done it to a good standard for the Wikipedia encyclopedic description, if it is not 100% I can always comeback and re-touch it up. I have now taken down the comments saying there are issues with the page. I also corrected a mistake, the 'Prima' magazine interview with Lisa-Lee Dark was in October 2009 (not 2008) like it originally said, that did slow down my research on Lisa-Lee, but it is all up to date now, and all ready for people to add in more info as Lisa-Lee continues to achieve more success. DT5677 (talk) 00:24, 19 September 2013 (UTC)