Talk:Lisa Lines

AstacopsisGouldi (talk) 12:03, 28 June 2020 (UTC): I had recently added a section of high relevance to this biography, namely a summary of reporting from the ABC that covers Lisa Lines and discusses her links to unresolved crime. This entire section was deleted soon after it appeared by Lorbo1943, a editor who has previously updated this article at length over the last 2 years. I have now reinstated the section and made edits to improve it, including correcting a mistaken spelling of a name. I have removed some sentences that were possibly unnecessary, despite being appropriately referenced.

User Lorbo1943 deleted the whole section, and the reasons given were that the 'section used incorrect names, content was poorly sourced and potentially libellous'. The names should have been corrected, not removed. The content features 4 references to ABC original news reports, and all the content in the section are included in these references. If something is libellous, this should be taken up with the ABC. I have now updated the name, Hawkins was used throughout previously when Hawtin is correct. I have also added a further reference to a Advertiser article on this topic, and I have removed any sentences that are possibly not encyclopaedic and hence not required.

All references in this section meet Wikipedia guidelines for verifiable and credible sources. The main article that is section relies on is a long-form piece from acclaimed ABC journalist Quentin McDermott who is a producer for the ABC Australian Story program, and a senior investigative reporter for Four Corners. This is not light weight journalism.

If this vexatious editing continues this article should certainly be considered for deletion, as it has already been flagged as not meeting Wikipedia's general notability guidelines and it appears someone close to the subject, or possibly the subject themselves, is editing this article. The user Lorbo1943 has previously made 6 edits to topics related to the role of women in the military, and in particular the Spanish Civil War - apparently the key area of academic interest for Lisa Lines. These edits include adding references to the work of Lisa Lines on the 26th March 2018. It is worth noting also that Lisa Lines does not seem to currently hold a position at any academic institution.

AstacopsisGouldi (talk) 16:26, 30 June 2020 (UTC) On 30/06/2020 the user Lorbo1943 again deleted the section related to the involvement of Lisa Lines in an unresolved crime. The reason given being: 'Removed 'Involvement' section (content drawn from interview with one of the parties to the event (i.e., not impartial) and potentially litigious)'. This user has made it very clear now that they are not willing to compromise on these high quality media reports being cited and summarised within the article about a living person. These articles are highly relevant to this person. Impartiality is not a matter to be decided by providing all sides of a situation, such as an alleged crime or event, with equal airtime. The user Lorbo1943 is correct that the Australian Story piece by Quintin McDermott relies heavily on interviews with Hawtin and lawyers associated with him. There is a key reason for this...To quote from the article in question: ''The ABC has attempted to contact Ms Lines but to date she has not responded to messages left for her. Mr Bruckner would not comment on the outcome of the trial.''

Until Lines or Bruckner are willing to talk to journalists or other parties, such as open courts, on the public record, we can only update this page with the details available publicly.

I again make the point that this page should be deleted if this continues.

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She is now a missing person: https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/the-vanishing-hunt-for-aussie-academic-lisa-lines-and-her-kids-after-battle/news-story/f6ea58c7af3b023e263f89da0f6222cc https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9455931/Hunt-missing-Australian-academic-children-mysteriously-vanished.html https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-17/axe-attack-victim-speaks-after-court-suppression-order-lifted/12320858

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