Talk:Lisa Simpson/Archive 1

Dreams about Hitler
Fairly significant, no?

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.24.152.230 (talk) 00:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Userbox

 * Here's a userbox for Lisa fans:

Lisa's saxamaphone (saxophone)
It says in the article that she plays a Baritone Sax - based on the sound. I believe she has only ever played the Tenor Sax and once or possibly twice the Alto sax. I think this should be based on shape not on 'sound'. Tanru 08:09, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Baritone sax is an awful big instrument for a girl her age and size as the article mentions. I don't recall them saying what kind of sax she played so baritone seems like an odd supposition unless this is official in the show. Now if she does play baritone she might be the most famous baritone player currently out there. I mean there are real baritone saxophonists who are famous in jazz, but most of the jazz saxophonists who are known to the public are alto or occasionally tenor.--T. Anthony 08:27, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I Think tenor is more popular. Anyway, Lisa plays Bari. You can tell by listening.AV(207.225.143.253 17:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC))


 * She's a fictional character and doesn't have to abide with reality. I doubt the creators payed exceptional attention to the type of saxophone she played.-- |K.Z|Z.K|    Do not vandalize...  04:46, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It's always a baritone, apart from the season 1 opening sequence. If you know the instuments you can clearly tell their timbres apart. — Mütze 09:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Lisa's email address
I have sent mail to that address it uses invalid characters.
 * That's mentioned in the article. They purposefully used invalid characters.

Lisa's IQ
From the episode with Frank Grimes, wasn't it revealed Lisa's IQ is 156? (Although, I do remember a separate 159 IQ reference) Q0 09:38, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's mentioned in Smart and Smarter from season 15 that it's 159.
 * mentions that Lisa's IQ was stated to be 156 in the episode "Homer's Enemy". So Lisa's IQ appears to be two different scores in two different episodes.
 * I guess that's just a goof on the writers' part, the same way Homer's age is both 36 and 39 in different episodes. -- Kaizersoze 02:00, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)
 * Actually it was stated on a commentary they intentionally raised Homer's age as they thoght 36 was way too young for his physical apperance.
 * I think it's possible for someone's I.Q. to change 3 points. In a span of one year, mine went up from 129 to 136.
 * um... IQ never goes up... it actually gets lower as you get older... and as far as Lisa's IQ goes, anyone that watches the show should know better than expect any number for anything to stay the same from one episode to another... - Adolphus79 21:59, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Wrong, mate. You are imprecise in your assessment re: IQ: it doesn't get "lower" (theoretically), it norms to a more standardized grade. As I'm certain one with your level of expertise knows, there are variables that produce controversy within the validity of IQ (Gaussian distribution; Stephen Gould's beliefs, etc...), so its difficult for even trained professionals to produce a clear assessment of intelligence. And as far as your "anyone who watches the show" statement re: numbers, please note that Frink's and Comic Book Guy's IQ have remained constant (199 (the "198...197..." was there for comedic effect...)and 170, respectively.) Thanks for the note, though.... --206.40.119.252 10:05, 21 July 2006 (UTC) Aaron 7.21.2006

I took an IQ test twice in two days, the second time it went up 7 points--Andy mci 08:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Middle Name?
Middle name of Marie.. Source??
 * In Lisa's Wedding, the wedding invitations indicate her name as "Lisa Marie"
 * It is also confirmed that her initials are LMS in The Monkey Suit... - Adolphus79 09:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The Simpsons trivia game uses her middle name as a sample question on the box, giving the answer as "Marie."

Although Lisa's middle name is Marie, as shown in Lisa's Wedding, in one of The Simpsons Book, there are interviews with Matt Groening, and he states that everyone in the Simpson's family has a surname beginning with "J"

Simpson Gene issue
The old version of this article, concerning the simpsons gene, is incorrect. It is revealed that the gene is located in the Y chromosome in one episode; Lisa does not have one, thus she cannot have the gene. I have added a link to the Y chromosome article.

Interestingly, very few disorders are caused by defects on the Y chromosome as it has very few genes. Most are linked to the X chromosome. Women are usually protected from suffering them by having two copies of this (one of them normal). Its hard being a male:D--ChrisJMoor 00:04, 26 May 2005 (UTC)It's especially hard being a male that likes other males and dresses!

U.S. Character
She is a character in The Simpsons, one of the TV shows made in the U.S. --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com
 * Um, duh. tregoweth 03:03, 16 December 2005 (UTC) E-mail MATT GEROENING AT damnyouasholes@yahoo.com

Intro length
I think the intro, before the contents, on this article is way too long, being more than half the article. Could this be shortened to give a brief description, just like with Bart?

Lisa's braces
how come noone ever mentions lisa has braces? an entire episode revolves around it!(last exit to springfield)
 * Very few of the per-episode developments ever show up in canon. Most (or at least many) of the storylines that would change the dynamics or add info to the show ongoingly are just dropped after the episode in question.--Anchoress 13:05, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * But actually, now that I think of it she got those invisible Calvin Klein braces, so maybe they're just invisibly doing their thing.--Anchoress 13:09, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject: Simpsons
OK... Anyone interested in helping cleanup the Simpsons information, join the WikiProject... if we can all work together, instead of different editors working on different pages, we can get all the Simpsons information on all of Wikipedia organized... - Adolphus79 10:08, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Smoking
I don't know that it's entirely accurate to say that Lisa tried smoking with older girls in the 'bad girls' bathroom'... to my recollection, when they gave her a cigarette, she tucked it behind her ear and said she'd smoke it in class. Her hesitation to take the cig and reluctance to smoke it with the other girls right then suggested that she didn't intend to smoke it at all. Although it's impossible to prove a negative (that she didn't smoke it), I don't think she's ever been depicted actually smoking.--Anchoress 13:03, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, in the episode where Moe's bar was closed and Homer re-fashioned his own home, he shoved a cig into Lisa's mouth and also lit it. Lisa doesn't look very happy. I'm not sure whether this already counts as smoking. -- Prorokini 17:41, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Massive cleanup of Lisa's profile
Dear lord.... I didn't realize how much of a beating poor Lisa's wiki's taken these past couple of months. I'm going to personally concentrate cleaning up...expanding...and at the same time condensing this page as best as I can within the next few days (I'm quite busy at the moment so I have to do it little by little).

Here's some glaring things I want to take care of:

-Proper condensing of information among the sections. Lisa's vegetarianism gets a whole section but its less than two lines long? Meanwhile...that giganormous section over her religion...I'm going to look it over and try very hard to keep as much of the relevant...juicy info as I can. But so far it looks needlessly long...I'm thinking Lisa's "belief's" can all be properly shortened and put into on category.

-Her Profile isn't nearly as descriptive as it could or should be.

-Her acomplishments list has got to be shortened. She does a lot of things...but its not necessary to list absolutely everything. Maybe her most notable actions...and then a blurb about how she does many other things

-Now I like to keep interesting information if I can help it...but there's some stuff on this wiki that not even I can vouch the validity of.

-Lots of grammar, cleaning up of red links, splitting etc.

-Add some additional info here and there to flesh things out if its not too long.

I re-added the Future catagory. I have no idea why this was removed...I had to go really far back to retrieve it. Sounds like zealous, unflattering wiki-cleaning...but regardless its back. I'll clean that up to. I'll maybe add an additional screen shot or two in the end if everything looks nice. I'm basically going to rewrite this whole thing...because this wiki really needs it.--Kiyosuki 00:04, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Whew, Lisa's a complicated character....this'll take longer than I thought. Heh, give me a bit longer.--Kiyosuki 09:49, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

shes 9
she has had both her 8th and 9th b-days in the show
 * Lisa has had several birthdays, but after her eighth they stopped counting.

Language
I'm not sure what "non-canon" means, but the "swedish" Lisa is supposed to use in "Treehouse of Horror XIV" makes no sense at all and can never be used as a proof for her fluently in swedish.
 * Non-canon means that it isn't considered as really having happened. There's also the fact that she was reading from a script in the Swedish film, and that the scene was deleted.

it was not swedish, i speak swedish, in that halloween episode it did not sound like swedish, belive me swedish sound much more like english than you think.

Ambidextrous?
Wearing a watch on the hand you write with is not proof of cross-dominance. Is there any specific time they mention her ambidexterity? --Onorem 18:09, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well...I asked 2 months ago and there's been no response. I'm going to take the ambidextrous comment out of the trivia section for now.  Feel free to add it back in if there's evidence to support it. --Onorem 11:26, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Lisa is plump?
Where exactly is it said that Lisa is "exceptionally plump?" The episode where she thinks she has a weight problem? I thought the point of that one was to illustrate the problem of young girls who think they are obese and have weight problems, when in fact they do not. I can't think of any example of where Lisa has been called "plump."

There is the episode with Alison i think her name was, (played by that actress from Friends), where she told Lisa she could "Lose five pounds". But I doubt that's important. Guitarhero91 00:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

In the episode "Girls just want to have sums" it is shown that Lisa has a round stomach, as well as this, she is repeatedly shown as being round in her standard swimsuit. Logically, if Bart is overweight, then Lisa, who like Bart follows a mostly sedentry lifestyle, would be overweight too. I think that "exceptionally plump" is too much, "mildly overweight" may be a better way of phrasing it. (J.Benbow, Oxford Brookes 19th September 2007) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.73.40.157 (talk) 21:26, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

scary.
lisa get a+ in evry school parts, plays an instrument (possibly more) can speak many langues and seems to even smarter than martin (his iq is 216) and more mature than any adults seen in the show, all that in just one little pre-pubertal girl is scary, in fact i like lisa least of all main characters in the simpsons because her completly non possibly skills and behavior. If she had any kind weekness i would like her.
 * Ok mate, several things wrong with your argument.


 * 1) Did you not see "Lisa on Ice"? She was failing gym, and sucked at every sport she did, apart from Ice Hockey.
 * 2) In "Kamp Krusty", she got a B in conduct.
 * 3) She is smarter than Martin.
 * 4) Where did you see Martin's IQ? Because I doubt its 216.
 * 5) If it is then you've defeated yourself because in "Homer's Enemy" her IQ is apparent 156.
 * 6) I always thought that Professot Frink was the smartest character, as his IQ IS 197.
 * 7) She's intelligent!
 * 8) She's a child prodigy!
 * 9) She's meant to be more mature than most adults

And most importantly....

10. She is a FICTIONAL cartoon character. It doesn't have to make complete sence. By most standards Lisa is incredibly believeable. I mean does bats talking and bears wearing hats seem normal to you? Gran2 14:56, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * In addition to that, there's the aforementioned self-righteousness Lisa has, her antisocial tendencies, and her sometimes over-the-top rivalry with Bart. She has plenty of weaknesses, and intelligence is no reason to dislike someone, fictional or not. Also, this isn't a message board for the character, it's for her page. If you want to spill your hatred for a character, find a fan site where it's actually suitable. Raenbow

Eating disorder
Does Lisa have an eating disorder? If not, remove her from that category because being vegetarian doesn't count. - Ndrly 04:22, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * She had one, but only for one episode.--AmitTheSomthing 22:16, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

but at the end she sayed it would take a long time to go away after homer was trying to get her to say its all ok before the end --Sailor cuteness
 * And besides, being a vegetarian does count.=P--AmitTheSomthing 20:55, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

What eating disorder does she have? Vitual aelita (talk) 00:45, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Mensa
Yes I know she is a fictional character. But wikipedia must be truthful. Lisa is not really, in reality, in Mesna. She doesn't pay dues, never took an IQ test etc. Please discuss this before I edit that category (member of mensa) out. Thank you.Tstrobaugh 01:00, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe that you should remove her from that category, at least she should be portrayed as a "Fictional" member of Mensa as with other categories. An user 2 PM February 2007

God you people are nerds.

Sensemaker writes: Original text says: "She is a high-ranking member of Mensa Springfield". I have changed this to "She is a member of Mensa Springfield". We do not have ranks in mensa (it isn't the freemasons, you know) and as far as I can make out, they do not have it in fictional Mensa Springfield either. -Sensemaker

Repetition
Doesn't this article repeat itself a bit? --Taraborn 21:07, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * This has to be one of the worst wiki pages ever. F- material. A total rewrite is neccessary. I wish the people who did the Jack Sparrow wiki page (which is just incredible) would come and fix this up.

Birthday
So it says here that Lisa's birthday is either September 28th or May 9th, 1981, which is supposedly two years and thirty eight days younger than Bart. However, on Bart's page, it mentions that his birthday is April 25th, 1979. This can mean one of two things:


 * Bart's actual birthday is April 1st (quite fitting)
 * Lisa's actual birthday is June 2nd

sooooo which is it?

Bart's birthday can't be April 1st. If you see "So It's Come to This: A Simpsons Clip Show" where Homer and Bart did April Fool's jokes on each other, it doesn't mention anything about Bart's birthday at all. But it is the Simpsons, anyway... 137.205.24.140 23:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It is established that The Simpsons is not time consistent, so such calculations are both WP:OR and meaningless. Is Lisa 26 years old on the show (but still 4' tall, in grade school, and living with her parents), or is the show set perpetually in 1989 (with 90s and 00s personalities and situations travelling back in time to interact with the Simpson family)?


 * This has become an issue on several Simpsons character pages. It's a cartoon. Lisa has had three 8th birthdays. The characters are not real people.


 * Bart's birthdate was listed in some non-canonical source as April 1 &mdash; it's considered a prank, and not to be taken seriously. Pinning down birthdates limits potential storylines; for example, a story with a summer birthday wouldn't be able to have snow naturally on the ground. It is unlikely the producers would limit themselves without good reason. / edgarde 18:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Political beliefs
Can someone help with episode citations for some of Lisa's political beliefs, especially those expressed on more than one episode. I seem to remember her being pro-union. What else?

I'd like to list them here before appending to the article, but whatever is well-sourced can go right in. / edgarde 16:55, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

About Lisa's religious beliefs: I remember an episode in which the family is in the church and priest asks 'are there believers in here?' (or similar) and lisa alone shouts 'No' and all the other people shout 'Yes'. So Lisa could be an atheist (well buddhism is kinda non-theistic religion). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.114.228.123 (talk) 23:20, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Fictional President of the United States?
In Bart to the Future, she was POTUS. Anyone have any objection to the category?--Folksong 02:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, we avoid adding categories that only relate to one episode. -- Scorpion0422 02:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, same objection, same reason. Because of the quantity of situations over 18+ years, The Simpsons characters can cruft up the categories considerably. / edgarde 02:56, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Category
Any objection to "Characters introduced in 1987"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.62.211 (talk) 22:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

The word emotional
"Lisa began to develop into a more intelligent and more emotional character with "Krusty Gets Busted" being one of the first episodes where her true intelligence is fully shown."

I don't see what the problem with that sentence is, and I don't see how it says that "Intelligence equals emotional instability". Is there something I'm missing? -- Scorpion0422 15:23, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * and thus more emotinal is wrong for the reasons stated in the edit. "Emotional" is just vague. If that's the language in the commentary, I suppose we'll have to use it &mdash; might be better stated as a brief quote. / edg ☺ ★ 16:25, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

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David X. Cohen
Can I ask why David X. Cohen when mentioned in the article is mentioned by his (correct, but recognizably redundant) middle initial as S., rather than X.? Apterygial (talk) 02:11, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess cause S is his real middle initial?  C T J F 8 3 Talk 07:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly. But he is always credited as David X. Cohen, even in the article's references. And it's what he's generally known as. It's even what his Wikipedia page is called. Apterygial talkstalkinsane idea 09:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * At the time he wrote tht episode though, he was credited as David S. Cohen. He became known as David X. Cohen after leaving The Simpsons. -- Scorpion 0422  14:11, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. That answers my question. Apterygial talkstalkinsane idea 23:54, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

More than the show...
She was very political in the movie, with all the environment stuff. Also in Hit and Run, when ever she greets someone she says "Vote Democrat". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Populer208 (talk • contribs) 10:33, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

age?
"The Simpsons uses a floating timeline in which the characters do not physically age; as such, Lisa is always depicted as eight years old." Wasn't she seven in the first two seasons, before turning 8 in Stark Raving Dad? IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 12:55, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope, she's been eight all the time. The beginning of that episode was an exception.  The left orium  15:09, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Comments from Scartol
This article is looking good. I think it's thin on critical sources, which need to be added more thoroughly before it's sent to FAC. (More on this below.) In general, the structure is solid (with one exception, noted in the second bullet point below), and the prose is good. The following questions and suggestions are for your benefit; no need to get my approval to change or ignore them.


 * In general, writing about literature should use the present tense ("Juliet kills herself when she finds Romeo dead"). I assume other Simpsons articles have guidelines about how to write about the episodes and events of the show? (I've been putting the prose into present tense, but perhaps the standard is different?)
 * No, the standard is the same. I think other users have been changing the text to past tense.
 * I read through and fixed what I saw.  C T J F 8 3  chat 21:49, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * What is the difference between the sections "Role in The Simpsons" and "Personality"? They seem very similar to me, and I'm inclined to suggest combining them. (Some of the points made are repeated in both, such as her intellectual acumen.)
 * I'll try to make them different.


 * Someone mentioned in the last FAC that many of the sources are primary (ie, citing the DVDs). This is fine for general info (her relationship with Nelson, for example), but when we get to statements like "Lisa is the most intellectual member of the Simpson family", we need a secondary source. (David Cohen's comments are a good start, but if we're only relying on him, we should reword it like: "The writers of the show consider her Lisa the most intellectual member of the Simpson family". But of course we should be able to find a secondary source that discusses her intellectualism.)
 * But shouldn't the writers be the best source that she is the most intellectual member? After all, they made her that way.


 * I think you should pull more from Planet Simpson and other books whenever possible. I was surprised to see no mention of The World According to The Simpsons: What Our Favorite TV Family Says about Life, Love, and the Pursuit of the Perfect Donut by Steven Keslowitz. (ISBN 1402206550)
 * Okay, I'll see what I can do later.


 * Lisa and the Simpson family remained the main characters on this new show. This feels like a meaningless sentence. Surely we can find some other way to end this paragraph. (Something like "Within three years (or however long it was) it was the top-rated cartoon show in the US.")


 * in the later seasons, no character other than Maggie shares her hairline Isn't this true of the early seasons too? I'm wondering what the purpose of that "in the later seasons" phrase is. (And I can't think of anyone in early seasons who had their hairline.)
 * It's because in the first few seasons, a lot of background characters would use a lot of the same characteristics as the main characters. I can change this.
 * To draw Lisa's head and hair, most of the animators use what they refer to as the "three-three-two arrangement". For future reference: it's a good idea in general to use fewer words. Thus, instead of "what they refer to as", just write "what they call". (I've fixed this.)


 * The first two paragraphs in "Voice" are clumsy with regard to sentence construction and flow of ideas. I suggest rewording them as follows:


 * With Tracy Ullman Show regulars Dan Castellaneta and Julie Kavner set to play the roles of Homer and Marge, producers held casting for the roles of Bart and Lisa. Nancy Cartwright intended to audition for the role of Lisa, but disliked the character's bland description and read for the role of Bart instead. Yeardley Smith also auditioned for the role of Bart, but casting director Bonita Pietila believed her voice was too high. Smith later recalled: "I always sounded too much like a girl. I read two lines as Bart and they said, 'Thanks for coming!'"


 * Smith was offered the role of Lisa, but she nearly turned it down because [GIVE REASON HERE]. She accepted, however, and Cartwright was cast in the role of Bart. Smith and the show's writers worked to give Lisa a more defined personality, and she has developed greatly during the series. In her 2000 memoir My Life as a Ten-Year-Old Boy, Cartwright wrote: "[W]ith the brilliant wit of the writers and the wry, in-your-eye, honest-to-a-fault interpretation, Yeardley Smith has made Lisa a bright light of leadership, full of compassion and competence beyond her years. Lisa Simpson is the kind of child we not only want our children to be, but also the kind of child we want all children to be."


 * Lisa is the only regular character voiced by Smith, who increases the pitch of her voice slightly for the role. In some earlier episodes she provided some of Maggie's squeaks and occasional speaking parts, and has voiced other characters on very rare occasions. Usually they are derivative of Lisa, such as Lisa Bella in "Last Tap Dance in Springfield" (season 11, 2000) and Lisa, Jr. in "Missionary: Impossible" (season 11, 2000).
 * Just a note, she never actually said why she almost turned the role down.


 * When giving seasons and years, the period is often placed before the parenthetical info, but it should be after it.


 * The "Personality" section is almost entirely sourced to episodes. We need much more critical commentary here.


 * Since we have the quote from Gray in the "Commendations" section, the "Personality" section should also have examples of her feminism.


 * She was in commercials for KFC and Burger King? WTF?

Good luck with the article! Please let me know if you have questions. Scartol •  Tok  20:42, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review! I'm a little busy at the moment (Canada-USA gold medal hockey game), but I'll try to improve the page tomorrow. -- Scorpion 0422  21:21, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Animated image
File:Lisasmall2.gif does not animate in the article body, but when I click through, I can see the animation. Is there a reason why the animation does not take place in the body? I've seen GIFs like the one at pi work. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 17:13, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not working for me either, which is strange because it worked as recently as a few days ago. -- Scorpion 0422  23:38, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * This seems relevant. There is a lot of discussion above where I linked, I'm trying to wade through it to figure out if there's a way to make it start working again. I suspect the best thing to do for now is wait and let the MediaWiki devs finish working on this. Winston365 (talk) 00:10, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think this issue is responsible for a couple of opposes on the FAC page. It seems like those who oppose think that the image in "Design" is just another image when they cannot see the animation taking place.  The animation is what qualifies it. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 14:30, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Not a popular Character
The article says that she is well received but allot of sites criticise her for being a Misandrist because she identifies herself as a Feminist and a Misanthropist for identifying herself as a Ecologist. I appologise for begging to differ but I think they are more dislikes to her then likes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.190.43 (talk) 20:39, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

I tried to make that objection that she is more hated then liked but it was quickly rejected why is that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.148.247.133 (talk) 13:43, 1 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, do you have any reliable sources to back up your claims? Maitch (talk) 16:39, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

There are ten sites I found which are http://www.nohomers.net/showthread.php?57773-I-hate-Lisa-fans, http://www.last.fm/group/we+hate+lisa+simpson, http://withmalicetowardnone.blogspot.com.au/2005/11/i-hate-lisa-simpson.html, http://sadpastie.blogspot.com.au/2011/02/i-hate-you-lisa-simpson.html, http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=4698339021, http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100724095421AAk6wjz, http://lurkerfaqs.com/posts/view/325984, http://www.the-top-tens.com/lists/worst-cartoon-characters.asp, http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-hate-lisa-simpson/190021424353835?sk=wall&filter=12 and even TV Tropes in which the last actually supports Feminism.


 * Those are all personal opinions and blogs, not even close to being a wiki-standard reliable source.MrMarmite (talk) 08:01, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

The opinion of a character is supposed to be personal from the perspective of the average viewer because that is where a majority of the views are stated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.148.247.133 (talk) 12:58, 2 February 2012 (UTC)


 * The sources you are providing cannot be used for sourcing. Please read Verifiability. --Maitch (talk) 15:00, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

If anyone has better sources then I do then I would like them to be used on the page to support my statement of the reputation of her character. I'm sorry but the Anti-feminist have already claimed more then half of the reputation of Feminism because research proves that a majority if not then all forms of Feminism are in reality Hate groups in disguise.

Lisa the Depressed girl
I've been watching some old Simpsons episodes recently, and it has occurred to me that the Lisa that I have grown up with is very different from the Lisa that was in the first couple of seasons. Episodes like Moaning Lisa and Bart vs. Thanksgiving show a dark troubled suppressed girl, and lines like:

Homer: And what does my little girl want? Lisa: An absence of mood swings and some stability in my life. Homer: Uh... How about a pony?

in Simpson and Delilah add to this. I don't think this aspect of her personality is explored in this article. I also think some mention should be made of her personal diary, which serves as a way for her to express her deepest darkest thoughts and feelings - and shows that she is such an outcast even by her family that she has to confide to a book.--Coin945 (talk) 02:59, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Alto Sax
Doesn't Lisa play the Baritone Saxophone, while Bleeding Gums Murphey plays the Alto? Just a quick glance at each saxophone's wiki page should show anyone that the sax Lisa plays in the opening credits looks and sounds like a Bari Sax. Does she switch sometime after the tenth season? Even if she does, that should be noted. Uriah is Boss (talk) 23:04, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

I just corrected it. See this image and match it to wiki's baritone sax image: http://www.liketotally80s.com/joy-of-sax.html Or look at any image of Lisa playing her sax and the distinctive curved neck leading to the mouthpiece will give it away as being a bari sax. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uriah is Boss (talk • contribs) 02:23, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Love of fried shrimp
should it be mentioned that before she became a vegetarian, she enjoyed fried shrimp, which was implied to be her favorite food? She has become ecstatic in several episodes over being able to enjoy the dish, such as at Mr. Burn's company picnic (if I am not mistaken) and in the Tree House of Horrors episode when abducted by aliens and presented with the dish in question. 208.102.226.145 (talk) 09:11, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

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Lisa turning 9?
What if Lisa turns 9? --174.92.79.163 (talk) 13:58, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Show doesn't work that way. Age just doesn't change while everything else does. JerrySa1 (talk) 21:26, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

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I added info they reverted it 2601:19E:427E:D670:39D7:C02D:781E:BC53 (talk) 02:25, 17 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I removed your change because you did not provide a reliable source. If you would like to add a citation and re-add it, please do so. FAdesdae378 (talk · contribs) 02:34, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

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