Talk:List of Ace double titles

Question
Does this article include non SF doubles or is that another article? There is a M-series, how do you include this information? Mike O'Brien

Splitting the page
Seems like the page is going to get enormous. It's also true that the primary users will be genre collectors. I suggest two sets of sub pages.

First, a series-oriented set.


 * D-series
 * S-series
 * (etc.)

Each of these would have the genre tag retained on the title line as in the current list.

Second, a genre-oriented list.


 * SF Ace doubles
 * Mystery Ace doubles
 * Western Ace doubles
 * Minor genre Ace doubles

These would have no genre tag on each line, and would have the same subsections as the main page.

The best way to get there would be to get the lists complete on this page first, despite its length, and then separate them. Mike Christie 21:13, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

List of Ace Double Novels
There were a number of 'non-SF' Ace Doubles - Westerns, Mysteries, Nurse stories, maybe Romances, too -  perhaps at least a mention of the non-SF genres is in order? - Bob Oldendorf 2/12/06


 * I have a full list of SF doubles from a bibliographic source, complete to 1968, and I own a practically complete set as well for verification. I'll try to get them updated gradually.  Re the non-SF doubles, I think this article should include them and show a genre tag on each line.  Ultimately non-doubles should be listed too (though obviously not on this page) as the Ace singles are often collected too, though they're not as popular as the doubles.  Coldchrist 11:24, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Format
I'm new to this so I thought I should check: shouldn't the titles be italics, rather than quoted? E.g.

D-036 Robert E. Howard Conan the Conqueror / Leigh Brackett The Sword of Rhiannon (1953)

If someone more expert on Wiki formatting could let me know, I'd appreciate it. If italics is correct I'll make the change as I go through completing this list.


 * Italics is correct when recording the titles of collections and novel length titles. Quotes should be used for novellas and shorter works. The only catch here is that most novels published in Ace Doubles were VERY short by contemporary standards, but I suppose italics would be safer. Ahasuerus 18:20, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Edits to be done
Here are the edits I see as necessary; I'll work on these as I have time, but these notes are for reference and in case I don't get to it.


 * 1) Complete the sf lists.  Primary sources I'm using are http://www.oldsfbooks.com/pbace.html and http://people.uncw.edu/smithms/ACE.html, plus Tuck's Encyclopedia of SF.  There are other sources, such as Grant Thiessen's SF Collector 1, and Double Your Pleasure; I may have to use these for the post-1968 books as Tuck only goes up to 1968.
 * 2) * Now done for everything on the web sources. Coldchrist 03:42, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Verify or add the dates.  Tuck is a good source for the dates up to 1968; I think Thiessen has dates.
 * 4) * Would Reginald be a reasonable source for 1969-1974? Ahasuerus 23:34, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) ** I know of Reginald but don't own a copy; from what I know it would. I think the Ace image site, cited above, is also a good source. Coldchrist 11:24, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) *** Ah, I see. I'll add it to my "to do when I have a few minutes" list then :) Ahasuerus 14:32, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * 7) ** The Ace image site provided dates for the first five years; I've made those updates. The remaining ones are not in my collection; I only have the dos-a-dos ones.  This will be an outstanding task. Coldchrist 11:24, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * 8) Separate the singles from the doubles.  There are several singles in this list; they should be put in List of Ace Titles which is referenced from Ace Books but which does not yet exist.  That list should perhaps include the doubles too; unless we have a page for the singles only.
 * 9) * I have now removed the singles and put them in List of Ace Titles. Coldchrist 11:24, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * 10) Verify them from the books.  I can do this for (most of) the doubles, but my collection of singles is far less complete.  I would suggest we track on the talk page which verifications have been done from the books.
 * 11) *This is much more important for the non dos-a-dos ones; the dos-a-dos ones have had heavy bibliographic attention over the years and I doubt there are errors in the sources. In addition, the Ace image site actually shows images of each book, which could be used for verification if necessary. Coldchrist 11:24, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * 12) Add the non-sf titles.  This can be done from the Ace cover image website.  I don't know how complete this is.  I will probably not do this step, as my own interest is in the sf titles, but it should be done unless we separate the sf titles and make a separate page per genre, which doesn't seem worth it.
 * 13) * I have now added the first ten titles in the D-series, just to make it clearer that the titles are not all sf. Coldchrist 13:32, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * 14) (added 03:42, 20 April 2006 (UTC)) Add an explanation for the bizarre numbering scheme for the numbered books, and resort into chronological order.
 * 15) * I have now sorted them, but not yet explained the serial numbers. Coldchrist 11:24, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * 16) ** I've now added a section on serial numbers to the Ace Books article -- I think it belongs there rather than here. Coldchrist 11:31, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * 17) (added 11:24, 21 April 2006 (UTC)) Add history, background, a couple of images, possibly some references to collectibility.  Add references and external links.  Mention other dos-a-dos formats, particularly the Tor doubles.
 * 18) * This is now done except for the images. Coldchrist 13:16, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * 19) (added 13:16, 23 April 2006 (UTC)) Review late number series -- it looks like the numbers (taken from the AIL website) actually include the ISBN checkdigit, which should be removed if so.
 * 20) * Done. They were ISBN check-digits, and I've removed them.  Left a note on 72402 which looks like a possible error on the AIL site.

The usual cutoff for collectible single Ace books is the point at which they stopped using the letter prefix. However, List of Ace Titles is not "List of Collectible Ace Titles". The point is relevant since I think the main reason for the existence of either page is for collectors; is there real value to having every publisher have a Wiki entry with a list of all their books? This note really belongs on the List of Ace Titles page and I'll move it there when I work on that page. Coldchrist 01:44, 19 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, in some visions of what WP may eventually become, every "major" book ever published ("major" is usually defined as more than 5,000 copies printed) will have an entry, in which case a list of every major publisher's books will be useful. But that's still very much up in the air. Ahasuerus 23:34, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion re. split
Why not remove the redicect from Ace Double, move the basic info about the Ace Doubles books to that page, and then have a link to the list(s) from that page? Entheta 03:30, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Comment
FWIW, in the late 20th Century, Tor followed Ace's example, and started a series of "Tor double". Geo Swan (talk) 03:38, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Merger proposal
There being two articles with almost the same content isn't great. I propose they are either merged into this one, or the article is split by genre (also proposed above), with the sub articles each containing just a plain list, and this article containing the prose, history etc. and links to the sub articles renamed as Ace doubles or Ace double novels. -- xensyria T 18:28, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Or not; I've retracted the merge after spotting the other genre articles, though why it needs so many (24 articles including the singles and Ace Books as the hub) is beyond me. -- xensyria T 18:42, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 12 December 2016

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The result of the move request was: Move. No objections in over 7 days. Cúchullain t/ c 22:23, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

List of Ace double novels → List of Ace double titles – For accuracy, and for consistency with related list articles. A significant number of the books on the list are not novels, but short fiction collections of stand-alone novellas. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006.  (talk) 19:07, 12 December 2016 (UTC)


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