Talk:List of Algerian detainees at Guantanamo Bay

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 * 1) The edit summary for this edit says: "update / corrections / clarify / overliinked / WP not directory".  I don't consider that sufficient.  The contributor in question has, in the past, routinely used the single word edit summary "clarify" to describe extremely controversial edits.  So this word is useless for any good faith contributor trying to understand whether this is an edit they need to look at.  Contributor in question has been routinely removing the references that document that Guantanamo captives' identities were confused, and that official records listed them under different names.
 * 2) Contributor in question routinely changes every instance of "captive" to "detainee", without any real explanation.
 * 3) In this edit the edit summary "correct the false statement" is used to justify the excision of the term "in extrajudicial detention".  Several dozen of the Guantanamo captives have had their habeas corpus petitions concluded, since the SCOTUS ruled Boumediene v. Bush that they were entitled to habeas review.  In approximately three quarters of those habeas reviews the judges ruled in favor of the captives.  And on those several dozen articles this contributor replaced "extrajudicial detention" with "unlawfully detained".  Other contributors had concerns about this replacement.  "Unlawfully detained"' wasn't referenced.  And, although IANAL, and I don't think any of us are, the rest of us thought that even if the term "unlawfully detained" was appropriate, after the judges ruling, it wasn't retroactive, so extrajudicial detention was still appropriate for the period prior to the habeas ruling.  Now, WRT the 778 captives, without regard to whether "extrajudicial detention" currently applies to the limited number of captives who face charges before a military commission, or those whose habeas reviews concluded the DoD had no legal basis to hold them, they all spent several years in detention, without charge.  So the edit summary "correct the false statement" is, at best, open to question.
 * 4) This edit innappropriately excises a valid reference, with the edit summary "redundant".
 * 5) This edit's edit summary justifies an excision saying: "based on the interpretation of a primary source".  The contributor who made this edit has had good faith contributors explain to them, over and over again that they cannot simply excise well referenced neutrally written material on the basis of WP:IDONTLIKEIT.  The material the excising contributor removed said:    "Allegedly non-compliant while in detention, wouldn't get dressed, when ordered." The original document said:    Detainee’s Conduct: Overall behavior has been generally non-compliant and aggressive. Detainee has failed to comply with guard’s instructions on a number of occasions. He has been informed to keep his clothes on and has repeatedly disregarded those orders and has stood in his cell naked. The statement in question is fully compliant with WP:SYNTH.  Unfortunately, although it has been explained to this contributor, on several occasions that SYNTH only restricts "novel" interpretations, not summaries or paraphrases of interpretations clearly contained in the original WP:RS. They routinely insist on citing SYNTH to challenge material that neutrally summarizes what WP:RS state, when those WP:RS differ from their own personal opinions.
 * 6) This edit should have been referenced.

Every contributor's edits are open to good faith, policy-based review. This contributor routinely responds to concerns over their edits by characterizing those concerns as "filibustering" or "ownership". I continue to believe these characterizations are inappropriate. Geo Swan (talk) 20:28, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

WP:Ownership, fillibustering and other stuff
I am not going to answer to the post above as it is a perfect example of WP:Ownership, fillibustering,ad hominum and i ask the courtesy of the contributer to remove or strike his post. Cheers! IQinn (talk) 00:05, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Please understand that, like everyone else, your edits are open to collegial, good faith review. Good faith contributors voice their concerns when they see material being excised or rewritten in ways that concern them.  I believe good faith contributors are just as entitled to voice their good faith policy-based concerns when they originally drafted the passages being excised or rewritten as they are when the edits in question are to passages written by a third party.


 * Please understand that, like everyone else, your edits are open to collegial, good faith review. Geo Swan (talk) 16:49, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Please understand that, like everyone else, your edits are open to collegial, good faith review. Good faith contributors voice their concerns when they see material being excised or rewritten in ways that concern them.  I believe good faith contributors are just as entitled to voice their good faith policy-based concerns.


 * Please understand that, like everyone else, your edits are open to collegial, good faith review.


 * Please do strike, rewrite or remove your uncivil post above and please make sure it does apply with WP:Ownership and WP:Civil and please make sure that it does not has any ad hominum arguments and favorable comes in a short form to allow for a constructive debate. Thank you. IQinn (talk) 21:54, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

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