Talk:List of Aragonese royal consorts

Invented Birthdates
There is no basis for any of these - how can you possibly list a birthdate for a woman known to history simply as "Queen Agnes, my wife", or "Queen Bertha, my wife"? At least if you know her family it is possible to make a guess, but if all you know is her name and when she starts to appear as queen, there is no basis whatsoever for a meaningful date to be derived. Most of the birthdates can't be guessed within a 5-year range, and Agnes and Bertha could have been born anywhere within 15-year periods depending on who they were. So, if you have a reliable source for any of this, then put the dates back with an indication of exactly how speculative it is, but if you don't then the bogus dates need to stay out and they should be be removed from the individual articles as well. I know that you wish I wouldn't take historical accuracy so seriously when it gets in the way of a nicely written but erroneous article, and that these tables look prettier if all of the boxes are filled in. Still, when we don't know, we don't know, and we shouldn't just make up dates or blur together history, deduction, speculation, guesswork and outright invention just for the sake of aesthetics. Agricolae (talk) 01:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * If you want to stay so accurate please remove them from all articles of these women and all there articles in the different language wikipedias. I'm tired of arguing with you.--Queen Elizabeth II&#39;s Little Spy (talk) 01:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * And this is exactly why it is so important. As soon as one Wikipedian invents a date, it gets spread from page to lists, back to pages and across into all of the other languages, becoming what in today's world passes for a fact. Agricolae (talk) 02:16, 3 October 2010 (UTC)