Talk:List of Armenian Americans

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I have cleaned up and properly fixed the list. Why are you reverting my constructive edits without a discussion?--XLR8TION (talk) 03:52, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Because you insist on changing the inclusion criteria for this list, as I stated in my reverts, which you can read instad of reacting to and making threats. There is no requirement with any of these lists that WP articles must exist. Either a WP article or necessary cite references are required (some other equally wrong editors insist nothing can exist in a list unless there are cite references and the WP articles count for nothing).  There is no rule or guideline to support either of these positions. Hmains (talk) 03:56, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * There are no threats, simply warnings that you are breaking site rules. Your edits DO NOT make sense. Having double wikilinks for same article, putting the fact that one producer is the son of the other, when their articles follow one another, and the keeping the blurbs short. NO ONE ON the lists hould be on the list if there article doesn't show their ancestry. There is no reason to put their body of work or theri ancestry on the list when the point of the list is to list all Armenia-Americans on the list and have the reader read the article. Redundancy is not constructive for this list. You also add wikilinks for articles that DO NOT EXIST! WHY???? This is unconstructive!--XLR8TION (talk) 04:00, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Furthermore the revert of a day;'s worth of edits is WRONG! You should know that. I have condensed the article removing many double entries and names that shouldn't be on the list. You've also removed new entries for Chaz Bono and Elijah Allman (Cher's sons) when they clearly have an Armenian-American mother (read the article). This is WRONG!  This list looks more professional now than it ever did.  Your reversal of my edits is HIGHLY UNCONSTRUCTIVE and will be reported to adminsitrators if you continue. The best thing is to discuss on this page what should be changed, what can change and how to do so. Reversing my edits will only lead to an edit war that you are clearly looking for. Use logic and reason. --XLR8TION (talk) 04:03, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You need to calm down. You are no more special than any other editor here: all edits are subject to further editing. Please read more carefully what I write and what you write before you push your save button.  You are also wrongly imagining what I am trying to achieve; read what I say, not what you imagine.  Specifically, people can be in this or any other such list either because they have WP artcles showing they belong to this list OR the list has reference citations showing they are Armenion, American, and notable. Hmains (talk) 04:15, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Each article contains a link to their Armenian ancestry. They shouldnt be on the list if they don't have a link in each of their articles. Furthermore, why are you creating wikilinks for subjects with no articles (red wikilinks)? What are you accomplishing by doing this? This is unconstructive!  Next, you have to use politically correct terminology when describing each entry. The word "porn" is not really used to describe someone who does pornography. The "Adult Film Industry" is the proper term for this, thus actors/actresses should be labeled as "adult film star." I had to revert an edit today for Colton Ford. The original editor added the entry, but someone removed it without doing research, I re-added Colton Ford and included a reference link to show his ancestry. The link to the article is good enough that I don't have to put in paranthesis "Armenian father." You are simply adding nothing of value by reverting my constructive edits.  You really need to use logic and reason instead of ignorance. Look at that article and admit that it's more free-flowing after a day's worth of edits.  The amount of memory that I freed from the article (over 3,000 bytes) can be utilize in another article by another editor. The more bytes added to an article the longer it takes to load on the screen. --XLR8TION (talk) 04:34, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I state again so you just respond to this one item: "Specifically, people can be in this or any other such list either because they have WP artcles showing they belong to this list OR the list has reference citations showing they are Armenion, American, and notable." Are you able to discuss this or do you just want to jump around to all these other points on content that I never edited other than to revert you.  Stop feeling so good about yourself; you are just another editor doing their volunteer work, with others are free to judge. Hmains (talk) 04:42, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Each article will contain their ancestry and body of work. You are dribbling info that are found in these article son the list, only causing redundancies. Fuurthermore actors such as Edyy Mekka have worked on television and films. Actor/actress is a neutral term. Keep blurbs short and do not added info that is already in the article. No one should be on the list if they don't have a reference link in their articles or next to their entry on the list (like I did with Colton Ford). The point is that the articles will discuss the entries. That's NOT the job of the list. The list's purpose is simply to compile Armenian-Americans so that users can access all Armenian-American personalities from one page. The articles WILL discuss the subject. There is no need for the Armenian ancestry in paranthesis nor red wikilinks ("links to non existing articles). Unless you plan on writing an article on the subject, do not add red wikilinks. Keep the list concise and save bytes for other articles. Wikipedia is a not for profit organization. Hence, server space = money. It would be selfish for anyone to add redundant and useless info and steal that server space from an article that merits creation.--XLR8TION (talk) 04:56, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I see you are unwlling or unable to repond specifically and only to what I am saying. You just repeat what you once wrote, making up rules as you go along.  If you are going to work on lists, you should learn the WP guidelines on such lists before you do any further such editing.  Specifically, red links or nonlinks are ok when they have reference citations--a fact you keep removing from the list when you make up your own inclusion criteria.  Read:. If you have questions about that, you should take it up on the guideline talk page and not with me. You also need to learn how to be more calm in matters involing routine editing; you are doing yourself no favors. Hmains (talk) 02:41, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You are not doing me or anyone favors by reverting constructive edits, adding red wikilinks and adding redundant info on an article that simply is a list and not a summary of the contents of every article on the list. When I revert an edit, I post a valid reason. If it leads to a disagreement, then I refer to discussion, before I move on to seeking assistance. By reverting over 3,000 bytes of constructive edits, clearly it shows that you did not review the list in it's entirety and simply wanted to conform it to lesser standards.  That's not productive, constructive, or cool.--XLR8TION (talk) 03:43, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Why duplicate lists?
See:


 * List of Armenian Americans
 * List of Americans of Armenian descent

I can imagine why one would be a redirect to the other, but instead they're two separate lists. They appear to have been forked by User:Bulldog123 on 20 April 2011 (see and ).

Does anyone want to volunteer to merge the two and then redirect one to the other? Which name should take precedence? Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 02:28, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

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